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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#641 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:05 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Kemba, Noel, Knox, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder for Turner

These are mostly serious suggestions, though I doubt Turner gets dealt to the Knicks and not for that little.

Big unrealistic fantasy time: :D

February:
Randle, Rose , two 1st round picks, (Mavs, Knicks 2024 #1) for Simmons, whatever Philly needs to dump coming back.

You don’t seem to understand the logic behind all that. We really want to collect players like Fournier and Gordon. RJ must go in that deal. We probably add Griffin too, he must have something left in the tank and I believe he was used improperly in Brooklyn. Give them Obi for griffin.

Walker / Howard Eisley
Gordon
Fournier / Shandon Anderson
Clarence Weatherspoon
Blake Griffin

What could possibly go wrong?


Sounds good to me.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#642 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:15 pm

I just wish there was a Jerome James type we could have signed this offseason. Does Drummond qualify? Maybe the 76ers will trade him to us and Knicks can extend him.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#643 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:15 pm

Fck this Eric Gordon trade unless it’s for Effin Fournier. I don’t want us getting older for crying out loud.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#644 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:17 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Fck this Eric Gordon trade unless it’s for Effin Fournier. I don’t want us getting older for crying out loud.


I originally felt that way, but now I see real value in moving some combination of vets, youth and picks for him.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#645 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:58 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Fck this Eric Gordon trade unless it’s for Effin Fournier. I don’t want us getting older for crying out loud.


I originally felt that way, but now I see real value in moving some combination of vets, youth and picks for him.

It’s simply an old tradition - like the pancake breakfast. We do it every month.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#646 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:00 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Fck this Eric Gordon trade unless it’s for Effin Fournier. I don’t want us getting older for crying out loud.


I originally felt that way, but now I see real value in moving some combination of vets, youth and picks for him.


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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#647 » by TBri1974 » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:34 pm

I love that we now have an Eisley, Anderson, Weatherspoon reference in here; I suffered through nearly every game.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#648 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:31 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Fournier and a 2nd rounder for Eric Gordon

Eric Gordon? Gordon Bennett!
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#649 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:53 am

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BBALLER4FR wrote:I'm not even worried about Kemba. He's done in NY. Rose went down, Burks hasn't worked, IQ's less than ideal and Kemba still didn't take off the warmup (thank goodness cause we needed to see McBride). Thibs let you know he doesn't want to see Kemba on the floor for whatever reason. And anyone who says it's because of his defense, make it make sense why Fournier gets the minutes he gets. Neither play defense but I trust Kemba's shooting FAR more than Evan's.


I'll take a shot at unpacking this. I have no idea btw.

There are various factions in the Knicks FO, and Thibs is a faction himself. Thibs might have been ok with Fournier but not with Walker. It's possible he's not wild about either.
In any event, the amount of money Kemba makes made it easy to bench him, while with Friar Suck, it's harder to justify.
Thibs has had his FO run ins over the years and probably learned a thing or three.
He knows he has to win.
He also knows he has to make a case for why some players aren't good.
Thibs figured maybe he could bench Kemba and team would get better, but if he had an inkling it wouldn't work, that maybe it would spotlight Fournier.
Maybe he thought that Fournier and Kemba and Randle too many lackluster defenders and tried removing just one.

I think Thibs kind of knows what the issues are and makes changes incrementally, trying to fix the issue with the smallest changes possible just for himself, but also because of FO dynamics.

I have no idea what the alliances are or how they shift.


I am talking to the rest of the world on this topic - well the ~10 reg posters I don't have on ignore - but I seem to be keeping on responding in the last couple of days exclusively to your posts about The French Friar.

Tbh, I hadn't paid too much attention until I looked at the numbers. And then watching Randle's dismal game against Houston was the final straw.

Look, I was one of the people saying Randle was getting far, far too much criticism in 2019-2020, and I was super impressed by his season last year. And I, surely, thought the new contract was a bargain for the Knicks.

But there's something really wrong with his game through these ~24(?? lost count??) games. He does some things in sync, but so many things are off-kilter that it's bemusing.

The FO's shot at signing Kemba? - that was a gambol and blew up and now he's in bubble-wrap waiting for someone to offer a minimal value 2RP. Whatever, maybe a bit reckless, maybe worth the punt.

Fournier looked ok-ish last night. Yeah - I know you were hating on him, and, yeah, his D is poor (but it always was), but I'm really sure that the Knicks are just using him inappropriately. He should be taking 3pt shots on ~33% of "his" possessions - where the rest is shots inside the arc, drives and pull-ups and shoots or passes for the assist / get to the rim and get a decent amount of FTA from that. Now, the volume overall is something adjustable to whatever the rest of the roster gives you/leaves him.

The question is: why are the Knicks misusing him? Possible answers include: (i) Randle can't play any other way, (ii) lolThibs can't understand this isn't a 1-1 replacement for Bullock, (iii) RJ is a bust and also soaks up possessions on which Fournier would be creating, (iv) the Knicks O rotations are terrible and there is no 3pt shooting giving EF some space on the drive and options which can make a shot on the kick-out.

Solutions? Yes. Probably have to separate Randle and Fournier to see if that helps. Start Obi and Fournier. Or use Fournier and Obi as a direct, same time swap for Randle and Burks (or whoever). Other options: trade Randle; hope Fournier can show more non-3pt game in the next month in order to try to persuade other teams this really was on the Knicks not EF and it is safe to trade for him - extremely coaching dependent; sack Thibs (my favourite); bad boy shooting practice for everyone whenever the team shoots under 33% from 3pt-land.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#650 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:17 am

TBri1974 wrote:I love that we now have an Eisley, Anderson, Weatherspoon reference in here; I suffered through nearly every game.

We go back several forums to that time.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#651 » by bearadonisdna » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:24 am

we shouldnt trade for high priced guys who arent defense 1st
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#652 » by RHODEY » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:17 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Fck this Eric Gordon trade unless it’s for Effin Fournier. I don’t want us getting older for crying out loud.

Is he any better than Fournier?
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#653 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:38 am

Did anyone know that we signed Tyler Hall to a 10-day contract before the Celtic game?
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#654 » by Chanel Bomber » Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:52 am

Give me Eric Gordon over Evan Fournier any day of the week.

He's a lot tougher.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#655 » by SuperflyKnick » Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:51 am

NY- Simmons
Por- Randle
Philly- Macllum, Char 1st rd pk, Dallas 1sr rd pk
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#656 » by Esq-4 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:43 pm

SuperflyKnick wrote:NY- Simmons
Por- Randle
Philly- Macllum, Char 1st rd pk, Dallas 1sr rd pk


Wouldn't POR just take Simmons? Not sure equivalent it would have to those two firsts, but I'm sure it could get there.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#657 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:12 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Did anyone know that we signed Tyler Hall to a 10-day contract before the Celtic game?


Yes. We signed Tyler and now Dotson and Mooney.

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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#658 » by Richard4444 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:18 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
BBALLER4FR wrote:I'm not even worried about Kemba. He's done in NY. Rose went down, Burks hasn't worked, IQ's less than ideal and Kemba still didn't take off the warmup (thank goodness cause we needed to see McBride). Thibs let you know he doesn't want to see Kemba on the floor for whatever reason. And anyone who says it's because of his defense, make it make sense why Fournier gets the minutes he gets. Neither play defense but I trust Kemba's shooting FAR more than Evan's.




I'll take a shot at unpacking this. I have no idea btw.

There are various factions in the Knicks FO, and Thibs is a faction himself. Thibs might have been ok with Fournier but not with Walker. It's possible he's not wild about either.
In any event, the amount of money Kemba makes made it easy to bench him, while with Friar Suck, it's harder to justify.
Thibs has had his FO run ins over the years and probably learned a thing or three.
He knows he has to win.
He also knows he has to make a case for why some players aren't good.
Thibs figured maybe he could bench Kemba and team would get better, but if he had an inkling it wouldn't work, that maybe it would spotlight Fournier.
Maybe he thought that Fournier and Kemba and Randle too many lackluster defenders and tried removing just one.

I think Thibs kind of knows what the issues are and makes changes incrementally, trying to fix the issue with the smallest changes possible just for himself, but also because of FO dynamics.

I have no idea what the alliances are or how they shift.


I am talking to the rest of the world on this topic - well the ~10 reg posters I don't have on ignore - but I seem to be keeping on responding in the last couple of days exclusively to your posts about The French Friar.

Tbh, I hadn't paid too much attention until I looked at the numbers. And then watching Randle's dismal game against Houston was the final straw.

Look, I was one of the people saying Randle was getting far, far too much criticism in 2019-2020, and I was super impressed by his season last year. And I, surely, thought the new contract was a bargain for the Knicks.

But there's something really wrong with his game through these ~24(?? lost count??) games. He does some things in sync, but so many things are off-kilter that it's bemusing.

The FO's shot at signing Kemba? - that was a gambol and blew up and now he's in bubble-wrap waiting for someone to offer a minimal value 2RP. Whatever, maybe a bit reckless, maybe worth the punt.

Fournier looked ok-ish last night. Yeah - I know you were hating on him, and, yeah, his D is poor (but it always was), but I'm really sure that the Knicks are just using him inappropriately. He should be taking 3pt shots on ~33% of "his" possessions - where the rest is shots inside the arc, drives and pull-ups and shoots or passes for the assist / get to the rim and get a decent amount of FTA from that. Now, the volume overall is something adjustable to whatever the rest of the roster gives you/leaves him.

The question is: why are the Knicks misusing him? Possible answers include: (i) Randle can't play any other way, (ii) lolThibs can't understand this isn't a 1-1 replacement for Bullock, (iii) RJ is a bust and also soaks up possessions on which Fournier would be creating, (iv) the Knicks O rotations are terrible and there is no 3pt shooting giving EF some space on the drive and options which can make a shot on the kick-out.

Solutions? Yes. Probably have to separate Randle and Fournier to see if that helps. Start Obi and Fournier. Or use Fournier and Obi as a direct, same time swap for Randle and Burks (or whoever). Other options: trade Randle; hope Fournier can show more non-3pt game in the next month in order to try to persuade other teams this really was on the Knicks not EF and it is safe to trade for him - extremely coaching dependent; sack Thibs (my favourite); bad boy shooting practice for everyone whenever the team shoots under 33% from 3pt-land.


Don't be naive. We will not trade Randle, sack Thibs, or start Obi. At least this season.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread Take 2 

Post#659 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:26 pm

Richard4444 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Did anyone know that we signed Tyler Hall to a 10-day contract before the Celtic game?


Yes. We signed Tyler and now Dotson and Mooney.

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6'2", 24 years old. Nah. Too young.
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Post#660 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:35 pm

Final conspiracy theory/twist.

Thibs really isn't wild about running the offense through Randle and the contract Randle got, via Scott Perry.
Thibs is running the team in such a way that exposes Randle.

Ha! It's more interesting than just saying "Well, this team just sucks". Which it clearly does. The fun, for maniacs like us, is to try and figure out how we got here and how exactly to fix it, but whatever it is, it won't be easy, because the team is that bad.

Again, it's on the FO and coach collectively, because it's their job to know last year's team wasn't really all that, and make the moves to make it better.

I blame Rose, then Perry, then Thibs.

Rose, for rehiring Perry. Rose figured he wanted that guy who knows the "GM details" and that their goal is aligned enough: Be fiscally responsible ENOUGH, while putting out a team good enough to appease Dolan and attract players with the orgs "new direction".
Perry is responsible because this team has the Perry fingerprints all over it. Lackluster vets, redundant not talented enough players at unimportant positions (formerly PF, now C), bad roster construction, non compelling former Magic players etc.
Thibs part is pushing hard for defense oriented vets and playing them over options, having a FO voice which is a bad idea, and probably torpedoing the team a bit to make a point about players he doesn't like. Like Kemba.
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