76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[dhsilv2]

I couldn't disagree more. Take Giannis is an example. He is a pretty bad shooter. Shooting has always been his biggest weakness and I don't think that he will ever become a good shooter. But he still takes perimeter shots when the situation demands it and that's a good thing. The fact that Giannis is willing to take perimeter shots means that you cannot give him 10-15 feet of space like you can with Simmons. Because if you do, he can punish you. And even if he doesn't punish you with 3s, he can take a step inside and shoot a mid-range jumper or find a way to Eurostep his way to the basket if you give him enough room to get a head of steam. So, you have to play Giannis a bit closer and that just opens up his drives. It's why Giannis has always been able to give you 25+ PPG, even in the playoffs. No, he will never be a good shooter but his willingness to at least take that shot when the defense gives it frees up his offensive game and makes him much more dangerous. People still close out at Giannis. No one's closing out at Simmons.

A star-level offensive player just has to be able to at least take some outside shots. He has to have some kind of range. It doesn't even need to be a 3. A 15 footer can do the trick as well. Heck, even Centers have to be able to take those shots currently and Ben is often the primary ball-handler which makes it that much more crucial for him. How can you run a pick and roll when you know that the ballhandler will never, ever raise up for a shot if you drop too much? You just can't.

If ben were half the shooter Giannis is I'd agree, but Giannis is closer to Curry than Ben to Giannis right now.

Sure but he'll never improve if he never tries to take those shots. And again, I'm talking solely about 3s, 15 footers would help as well. He clearly needs to add something to his offensive game.

At a certain point in life you have to stop working on your weaknesses and focus on your strengths. Ben needs to get his head on straight and work on his free throws. Find some more ways to finish at the rim and around it. Get better at cutting. Add some muscle and strength. And never think about jumpers again as long as he lives.

[dhsilv2]

Morey is undoubtedly delusional about the return he wants for Simmons. But if he can't get a player who can provide a similar level of impact back, then there's really no point to trade him at all.

He's not delusional so much as he's stubborn.

Morey is basically doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on his stance in that he has to "win" whatever trade happens. He doesn't want to cut his losses or anything like that, he wants to look like standing firm on his stance in how he's currently dealing with the Simmons situation is eventually going to look like the right move.

Morey saying he's willing to hold his stance for the remainder of Simmons' contract (3.5 years) is basically him saying that this is a game to him and he's willing to go further than anyone else to play it and win it. It's literally a matter of personal pride to him at this point.

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

[Triple7]

Ben needs to improve his free throw shooting. If he can shoot at a decent clip, then he will be fine. If he refuses to take the outside shot, then he needs to be aggressive at attacking the rim. That can’t happen if he’s scared of getting fouled. Same thing happened with Lebron, when he choked in that Dallas series. Scared to take free throws, disrupted his rhythm, thus being passive.

[Pointgod]

Morey is undoubtedly delusional about the return he wants for Simmons. But if he can't get a player who can provide a similar level of impact back, then there's really no point to trade him at all.

He's not delusional so much as he's stubborn.

Morey is basically doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on his stance in that he has to "win" whatever trade happens. He doesn't want to cut his losses or anything like that, he wants to look like standing firm on his stance in how he's currently dealing with the Simmons situation is eventually going to look like the right move.

Morey saying he's willing to hold his stance for the remainder of Simmons' contract (3.5 years) is basically him saying that this is a game to him and he's willing to go further than anyone else to play it and win it. It's literally a matter of personal pride to him at this point.

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

So tell me how does sitting Ben Simmons for 3.5 years get the Sixers closer to a title? You know there’s another guy that plays a pretty huge part in that title equation that’s not exactly durable or a superstar under 25. Because of his ego, Morey has set the unrealistic expectation that the Ben Simmons trade has to be their title move while a non self absorbed GM would have used the Ben Simmons trade to gather a ton of assets and ammo that we know teams trading a superstar player actually want while picking up a serviceable player or two.

[dhsilv2]

He's not delusional so much as he's stubborn.

Morey is basically doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on his stance in that he has to "win" whatever trade happens. He doesn't want to cut his losses or anything like that, he wants to look like standing firm on his stance in how he's currently dealing with the Simmons situation is eventually going to look like the right move.

Morey saying he's willing to hold his stance for the remainder of Simmons' contract (3.5 years) is basically him saying that this is a game to him and he's willing to go further than anyone else to play it and win it. It's literally a matter of personal pride to him at this point.

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

So tell me how does sitting Ben Simmons for 3.5 years get the Sixers closer to a title? You know there’s another guy that plays a pretty huge part in that title equation that’s not exactly durable or a superstar under 25. Because of his ego, Morey has set the unrealistic expectation that the Ben Simmons trade has to be their title move while a non self absorbed GM would have used the Ben Simmons trade to gather a ton of assets and ammo that we know teams trading a superstar player actually want while picking up a serviceable player or two.

That's exactly what he's attempted to do. Because Morey understands what he's doing, he knows he isn't in a rush and he knows that Ben would be one of the best assets on the market for a disgruntled star, he's not rushed (how many times do we have to say this?). His ownership group would veto any of these deals and fire him on the spot it he took them to them for approval. These deals have been laughable for a player like Ben.

Also the 76ers aren't winning this year. So it's even more absurd people are talking about how he needs to hurry up on this. They aren't beating the bucks or nets without a star. If they do your thing and look for small assets to package, they're not going anything so this idea of wasting a year of Embiid's career is down right comical. Morey would rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick to be frank.

[Pointgod]

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

So tell me how does sitting Ben Simmons for 3.5 years get the Sixers closer to a title? You know there’s another guy that plays a pretty huge part in that title equation that’s not exactly durable or a superstar under 25. Because of his ego, Morey has set the unrealistic expectation that the Ben Simmons trade has to be their title move while a non self absorbed GM would have used the Ben Simmons trade to gather a ton of assets and ammo that we know teams trading a superstar player actually want while picking up a serviceable player or two.

That's exactly what he's attempted to do. Because Morey understands what he's doing, he knows he isn't in a rush and he knows that Ben would be one of the best assets on the market for a disgruntled star, he's not rushed (how many times do we have to say this?). His ownership group would veto any of these deals and fire him on the spot it he took them to them for approval. These deals have been laughable for a player like Ben.

Also the 76ers aren't winning this year. So it's even more absurd people are talking about how he needs to hurry up on this. They aren't beating the bucks or nets without a star. If they do your thing and look for small assets to package, they're not going anything so this idea of wasting a year of Embiid's career is down right comical. Morey would rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick to be frank.

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

[Godaddycurse]

If Simmons enter covid protocol then he can't be fined for not being with the team right

[dhsilv2]

So tell me how does sitting Ben Simmons for 3.5 years get the Sixers closer to a title? You know there’s another guy that plays a pretty huge part in that title equation that’s not exactly durable or a superstar under 25. Because of his ego, Morey has set the unrealistic expectation that the Ben Simmons trade has to be their title move while a non self absorbed GM would have used the Ben Simmons trade to gather a ton of assets and ammo that we know teams trading a superstar player actually want while picking up a serviceable player or two.

That's exactly what he's attempted to do. Because Morey understands what he's doing, he knows he isn't in a rush and he knows that Ben would be one of the best assets on the market for a disgruntled star, he's not rushed (how many times do we have to say this?). His ownership group would veto any of these deals and fire him on the spot it he took them to them for approval. These deals have been laughable for a player like Ben.

Also the 76ers aren't winning this year. So it's even more absurd people are talking about how he needs to hurry up on this. They aren't beating the bucks or nets without a star. If they do your thing and look for small assets to package, they're not going anything so this idea of wasting a year of Embiid's career is down right comical. Morey would rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick to be frank.

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

[dhsilv2]

Great question. I'd love it if Morey was to ask that question to Embiid. To be a fly on that wall..



Morey isn't defending anything other than his ego here. He isn't some kind of heroic character. He's just your run-of-the-mill narcissistic millionaire.

I don’t think he’s some heroic character, I just think there’s an existential battle between players wanting to be more empowered and front offices wanting to stay in control. Simmons is the line in the sand where FOs can see trading him for a low return because his team backed you into a corner as opening the floodgates for everyone to do this. So Morey might see keeping players in like as more valuable than his superstar’s prime.

Then let the next CBA deal with that. I believe that Morey and 76ers fans have deluded themselves into sticking it to those “millionaire cry babies” is the best course of action, but I guarantee you that there are probably 10 Eastern conference GMs that are sending gift baskets to Morey because 33 million dollars worth of cap is tied to a player that isn’t contributing anything on court to the detriment of the team.

There's 0 in cap room not playing. 76ers are 36 million over the cap...

[sfballa13]

Morey is undoubtedly delusional about the return he wants for Simmons. But if he can't get a player who can provide a similar level of impact back, then there's really no point to trade him at all.

He's not delusional so much as he's stubborn.

Morey is basically doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on his stance in that he has to "win" whatever trade happens. He doesn't want to cut his losses or anything like that, he wants to look like standing firm on his stance in how he's currently dealing with the Simmons situation is eventually going to look like the right move.

Morey saying he's willing to hold his stance for the remainder of Simmons' contract (3.5 years) is basically him saying that this is a game to him and he's willing to go further than anyone else to play it and win it. It's literally a matter of personal pride to him at this point.

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

sfballa13
"Anthony Davis is a top 10 playoff performer in NBA History"

Funny how you decided to put a blatantly fake comment in your signature

This was taken from a thread where I was destroying Anthony Davis, calling him the softest big man in the league, and arguing that he has accomplished nothing in the playoffs

You literally took the quote of the person I was arguing against and put my user name on top of it.

Before I would respond to your comments now I see you cant even be bothered to read which poster says what.

Send me a PM when the Sixers decide to trade Simmons for the superstar you are praying for on a nightly basis!

[blahblah312]

Why give him away for free? Bring him back, make him play, trade him for fair value. The crappy deals will always be there, they aren't going anywhere. You keep holding out if you are Philly, it's also setting a precedent. Look at Houstons return on Harden. Are they better off, at all?[/quote]

Yes, They got out of high salary with someone who was not going to get them a ring. They have chance for high drafts picks for players that might get them a ring at a fraction of cost, and best of all they send the drama queen to NY.

[dhsilv2]

He's not delusional so much as he's stubborn.

Morey is basically doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on his stance in that he has to "win" whatever trade happens. He doesn't want to cut his losses or anything like that, he wants to look like standing firm on his stance in how he's currently dealing with the Simmons situation is eventually going to look like the right move.

Morey saying he's willing to hold his stance for the remainder of Simmons' contract (3.5 years) is basically him saying that this is a game to him and he's willing to go further than anyone else to play it and win it. It's literally a matter of personal pride to him at this point.

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

sfballa13
"Anthony Davis is a top 10 playoff performer in NBA History"

Funny how you decided to put a blatantly fake comment in your signature

This was taken from a thread where I was destroying Anthony Davis, calling him the softest big man in the league, and arguing that he has accomplished nothing in the playoffs

You literally took the quote of the person I was arguing against and put my user name on top of it.

Before I would respond to your comments now I see you cant even be bothered to read which poster says what.

Send me a PM when the Sixers decide to trade Simmons for the superstar you are praying for on a nightly basis!

You absolutely made the argument he was a top 10 player, in a thread where you were trashing him. Which is why I did it. And no, that was your quote. You wrote it...now, I left off the end of it, but it was to make the point of how absurd you were being by making statement like "stats don't lie" and then when presented with stats, you kept your rant going.

[rzzzzz]

So tell me how does sitting Ben Simmons for 3.5 years get the Sixers closer to a title? You know there’s another guy that plays a pretty huge part in that title equation that’s not exactly durable or a superstar under 25. Because of his ego, Morey has set the unrealistic expectation that the Ben Simmons trade has to be their title move while a non self absorbed GM would have used the Ben Simmons trade to gather a ton of assets and ammo that we know teams trading a superstar player actually want while picking up a serviceable player or two.

You’re coddling him. Trouble with Simmons is everybody coddles him. Except Morey. Morey says “You signed the max contract. So play if you want your money.” This season is turning into a big old mess anyway, that will end up with asterisks, whatever the outcome. Why shouldn’t Morey try to force him back on the court, or hold out for the best deal he can get.? There’s already a couple of guys who might be available soon who were no way Jose this past summer. Meanwhile, Philly fan gets the best soap opera entertainment for their buck here.

[SpreeS]

What superstar or stars could be available in near future or after season?

Lebron/Curry/Durant/Giannis/Doncic/Kawhi/Jokic/Davis/Harden - w/o chance

Butler/George/Town/Tatum/Booker/Paul/Gobert/Mitchell/Klay/Morant/Young/Ball/Adebayo/Lavine/Derozan - w/o chance

Irving/Lillard/Beal/Brown/Zion - its more about the media, than teams are trying to trade these players.

[Johnny Bball]

He's not delusional so much as he's stubborn.

Morey is basically doubling/tripling/quadrupling down on his stance in that he has to "win" whatever trade happens. He doesn't want to cut his losses or anything like that, he wants to look like standing firm on his stance in how he's currently dealing with the Simmons situation is eventually going to look like the right move.

Morey saying he's willing to hold his stance for the remainder of Simmons' contract (3.5 years) is basically him saying that this is a game to him and he's willing to go further than anyone else to play it and win it. It's literally a matter of personal pride to him at this point.

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

sfballa13
"Anthony Davis is a top 10 playoff performer in NBA History"

Funny how you decided to put a blatantly fake comment in your signature

This was taken from a thread where I was destroying Anthony Davis, calling him the softest big man in the league, and arguing that he has accomplished nothing in the playoffs

You literally took the quote of the person I was arguing against and put my user name on top of it.

Before I would respond to your comments now I see you cant even be bothered to read which poster says what.

Send me a PM when the Sixers decide to trade Simmons for the superstar you are praying for on a nightly basis!

That just should not be allowed here. Awful.

[Ruma85]

What superstar or stars could be available in near future or after season?

Lebron/Curry/Durant/Giannis/Doncic/Kawhi/Jokic/Davis/Harden - w/o chance

Butler/George/Town/Tatum/Booker/Paul/Gobert/Mitchell/Klay/Morant/Young/Ball/Adebayo/Lavine/Derozan - w/o chance

Irving/Lillard/Beal/Brown/Zion - its more about the media, than teams are trying to trade these players.

What trade would you suggest?

[rzzzzz]

What superstar or stars could be available in near future or after season?

Lebron/Curry/Durant/Giannis/Doncic/Kawhi/Jokic/Davis/Harden - w/o chance

Butler/George/Town/Tatum/Booker/Paul/Gobert/Mitchell/Klay/Morant/Young/Ball/Adebayo/Lavine/Derozan - w/o chance

Irving/Lillard/Beal/Brown/Zion - its more about the media, than teams are trying to trade these players.

What trade would you suggest?

Ja. I think I’m more interested in who might be plucked among the promising young prospects.

[Ruma85]

What superstar or stars could be available in near future or after season?

Lebron/Curry/Durant/Giannis/Doncic/Kawhi/Jokic/Davis/Harden - w/o chance

Butler/George/Town/Tatum/Booker/Paul/Gobert/Mitchell/Klay/Morant/Young/Ball/Adebayo/Lavine/Derozan - w/o chance

Irving/Lillard/Beal/Brown/Zion - its more about the media, than teams are trying to trade these players.

What trade would you suggest?

Ja. I think I’m more interested in who might be plucked among the promising young prospects.

as a Sixers fan i would love Ja aswell, the issue is why would Memphis trade Ja for Simmions??

[sfballa13]

You guys realize the ownership group for the 76ers would fire this man in a second if he took a huge loss on this deal right? They'd veto it and send him packing. These guys brought Morey into bring them a title and nothing short is acceptable.

This isn't about winning a trade. It's about winning a title or you're a failure. Ownership clearly would rather wait out the 3.5 years than get a package that they're not sold makes them a strong contender. These are the same guys who openly supported "The Process".

sfballa13
"Anthony Davis is a top 10 playoff performer in NBA History"

Funny how you decided to put a blatantly fake comment in your signature

This was taken from a thread where I was destroying Anthony Davis, calling him the softest big man in the league, and arguing that he has accomplished nothing in the playoffs

You literally took the quote of the person I was arguing against and put my user name on top of it.

Before I would respond to your comments now I see you cant even be bothered to read which poster says what.

Send me a PM when the Sixers decide to trade Simmons for the superstar you are praying for on a nightly basis!

You absolutely made the argument he was a top 10 player, in a thread where you were trashing him. Which is why I did it. And no, that was your quote. You wrote it...now, I left off the end of it, but it was to make the point of how absurd you were being by making statement like "stats don't lie" and then when presented with stats, you kept your rant going.

Once again i never ever said he was a top ten player of anything.

I provided stats to prove to you that his performance was sub par in comparison to what either you or another poster used as an excuse for why he was so great (3 series worth of stats)

I feel bad for you - going back deep in my comments, pulling something out of context, context in which i was trashing AD saying he never had any playoff success and that he was carried to his one and only ring by LeBron.

Give me some of that good stuff you are smoking or your high school English book because I cant tell if you are high or if you simply cant read.

Ive called AD the worst big man in the league, the reason the Lakers have underperformed last year and this year, and suggested in numerous threads that he should be traded.

Try this, dont reference my user name in your signatures if you are going to blatantly make up things I never said. Quote my post directly but dont make things up and attribute it to me, how petty.

Ive been on the website 10 years longer than you have, you have 10x the amount of posts as me, but my rants about how AD sucks struck such a nerve that you had to include my username with a fake quote in your signature (which now you have removed lol)

You come to these boards daily trashing Ben Simmons and defending Morey like he was your dad, honestly are you being paid by the Sixers or are you one of Morey's burners?

My man you are a sad, sad case.

[dhsilv2]

Funny how you decided to put a blatantly fake comment in your signature

This was taken from a thread where I was destroying Anthony Davis, calling him the softest big man in the league, and arguing that he has accomplished nothing in the playoffs

You literally took the quote of the person I was arguing against and put my user name on top of it.

Before I would respond to your comments now I see you cant even be bothered to read which poster says what.

Send me a PM when the Sixers decide to trade Simmons for the superstar you are praying for on a nightly basis!

You absolutely made the argument he was a top 10 player, in a thread where you were trashing him. Which is why I did it. And no, that was your quote. You wrote it...now, I left off the end of it, but it was to make the point of how absurd you were being by making statement like "stats don't lie" and then when presented with stats, you kept your rant going.

Once again i never ever said he was a top ten player of anything.

I provided stats to prove to you that his performance was sub par in comparison to what either you or another poster used as an excuse for why he was so great (3 series worth of stats)

I feel bad for you - going back deep in my comments, pulling something out of context, context in which i was trashing AD saying he never had any playoff success and that he was carried to his one and only ring by LeBron.

Give me some of that good stuff you are smoking or your high school English book because I cant tell if you are high or if you simply cant read.

Ive called AD the worst big man in the league, the reason the Lakers have underperformed last year and this year, and suggested in numerous threads that he should be traded.

Try this, dont reference my user name in your signatures if you are going to blatantly make up things I never said. Quote my post directly but dont make things up and attribute it to me, how petty.

Ive been on the website 10 years longer than you have, you have 10x the amount of posts as me, but my rants about how AD sucks struck such a nerve that you had to include my username with a fake quote in your signature (which now you have removed lol)

You come to these boards daily trashing Ben Simmons and defending Morey like he was your dad, honestly are you being paid by the Sixers or are you one of Morey's burners?

My man you are a sad, sad case.

You were the one who said AD was a top 10 player. In that thread. If you want to argue like cathy newman, you're going to get called out on it. And that was the point of the quote. My point has been made so the signature is no longer needed. I wanted to point out how horrible an argument is when you quote stats and then when presented with AD's stats which are among the best in NBA history in the playoffs, you not only double down but come up with some absurd new round of bad stats and then do one of this idiotic "so you're saying" moments which is where you said AD was a top 10 player.

Meanwhile I have defended Simmons more than darn near anyone on this board. To argue I'm here trashing him daily is down right comical and factually inaccurate.