OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Clyde_Style]

You probably have the same chance of dying driving to work in the morning and dying of Covid if you're vaxxed.

Way higher depending on the drive. Also a traffic accident doesn't care about your co-morbidities. But the fear porn is addictive for some people and I think it's comforting for some who just can't deal with the real world to begin with. Explosion in testing means explosion in cases, who cares. It's hospitalizations, and deaths we care about (we being people who can do math) and all the data from SA and UK point to what everyone in epidemiology who wasn't trying to play politics knew all along.

For example compare 17-19% severe rate for delta vs 1-2% for this latest variant. It's not exactly apples to apples because overall immunity should have gone up since July via vaccination and acquired immunity but it's a large enough statistical outlier to say it's a milder strain. Soon it'll be one of the 500+ that make up the seasonal flu, or be one of the 200+ coronavirii associated with the common cold (the rest are mostly rhinoviruses).

You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid

[nedleeds]

You probably have the same chance of dying driving to work in the morning and dying of Covid if you're vaxxed.

Way higher depending on the drive. Also a traffic accident doesn't care about your co-morbidities. But the fear porn is addictive for some people and I think it's comforting for some who just can't deal with the real world to begin with. Explosion in testing means explosion in cases, who cares. It's hospitalizations, and deaths we care about (we being people who can do math) and all the data from SA and UK point to what everyone in epidemiology who wasn't trying to play politics knew all along.

For example compare 17-19% severe rate for delta vs 1-2% for this latest variant. It's not exactly apples to apples because overall immunity should have gone up since July via vaccination and acquired immunity but it's a large enough statistical outlier to say it's a milder strain. Soon it'll be one of the 500+ that make up the seasonal flu, or be one of the 200+ coronavirii associated with the common cold (the rest are mostly rhinoviruses).

You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid

Wow, can't get enough and unignored me. The simpleton math you site in between dropping racial slurs ignores age, like more people gripped with covid fear ignore. I was speaking of this latest variant which again cuts the case fatality rate far below auto accidents.



Now take out our calculator and reduce it from 17-19% to 1-2% and see where you find yourself.

Anyway enjoy doing the same things that didn't work last time, destroying your economy and licking the boots of ignorant bureaucrats while the rest of the country moves on, gets sunshine, goes to work and educates their children.

[Knick4Real]

I am TRIPLE vaxxed, wear a mask religiously, wash hands frequently, socially distance when possible, all of that. Yet, I tested positive earlier this week -- and so did a dozen of my coworkers.

Omicron is running through NYC like water and it doesn't give a sh*t about the vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna are no match for it. Granted, the vax was not meant to prevent getting COVID and I'm thankful I almost certainly won't be hospitalized or on my death bed. But, Omicron is so contagious that it's not a matter of IF you will get it, but WHEN you will get it!

Stay safe!

That’s what the data is starting to show. There was also a report today saying there is no evidence Omicron is weaker.

IOW, It may very well be it is way more contagious, but it can still make you just as sick as earlier variants.

All of which means the unvaccinated are going to put the health system to the test once again. And plenty of vaccinated people will get some symptoms even if they don’t get very sick.

I expect that I’ve either gotten it already or will in the future. Florida is a petri dish. I researched my current symptoms and it either means I have a common head cold or this is how I respond to covid having been vaccinated. I’m pretty sure it is just a head cold.

Up to you, but you may still want to get tested out of being cautious.

Omicron's symptoms are quite mild. I only feel like I have a cold. No fever, no loss of taste or smell, just cold/flu symptoms. Still, it's VERY contagious.

[Zenzibar]

Kind of coincidental that the new explosion of Covid-19 is right after the mandate for vaccines proof for restaurants, arenas and indoor events. So all vaccinated folks jammed arenas across the country and countries.

Could it be that the vaccinated are the ones spreading the news?

[HarthorneWingo]

Kind of coincidental that the new explosion of Covid-19 is right after the mandate for vaccines proof for restaurants, arenas and indoor events. So all vaccinated folks jammed arenas across the country and countries.

Could it be that the vaccinated are the ones spreading the news?

We loosened up too quickly. People are stupid.

[Clyde_Style]

Way higher depending on the drive. Also a traffic accident doesn't care about your co-morbidities. But the fear porn is addictive for some people and I think it's comforting for some who just can't deal with the real world to begin with. Explosion in testing means explosion in cases, who cares. It's hospitalizations, and deaths we care about (we being people who can do math) and all the data from SA and UK point to what everyone in epidemiology who wasn't trying to play politics knew all along.

For example compare 17-19% severe rate for delta vs 1-2% for this latest variant. It's not exactly apples to apples because overall immunity should have gone up since July via vaccination and acquired immunity but it's a large enough statistical outlier to say it's a milder strain. Soon it'll be one of the 500+ that make up the seasonal flu, or be one of the 200+ coronavirii associated with the common cold (the rest are mostly rhinoviruses).

You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid

Wow, can't get enough and unignored me. The simpleton math you site in between dropping racial slurs ignores age, like more people gripped with covid fear ignore. I was speaking of this latest variant which again cuts the case fatality rate far below auto accidents.



Now take out our calculator and reduce it from 17-19% to 1-2% and see where you find yourself.

Anyway enjoy doing the same things that didn't work last time, destroying your economy and licking the boots of ignorant bureaucrats while the rest of the country moves on, gets sunshine, goes to work and educates their children.

Right. I used a racist slur against you. You’re a clown

[nedleeds]

You guys are geniuses

38,680 traffic fatalities in 2020

800,000 dead and counting from covid

Wow, can't get enough and unignored me. The simpleton math you site in between dropping racial slurs ignores age, like more people gripped with covid fear ignore. I was speaking of this latest variant which again cuts the case fatality rate far below auto accidents.



Now take out our calculator and reduce it from 17-19% to 1-2% and see where you find yourself.

Anyway enjoy doing the same things that didn't work last time, destroying your economy and licking the boots of ignorant bureaucrats while the rest of the country moves on, gets sunshine, goes to work and educates their children.

Right. I used a racist slur against you. You’re a clown

Get help. "in between dropping racial slurs" I obviously didn't say you used it against me, I don't think I qualify for that slur anyway.

[Clyde_Style]

Wow, can't get enough and unignored me. The simpleton math you site in between dropping racial slurs ignores age, like more people gripped with covid fear ignore. I was speaking of this latest variant which again cuts the case fatality rate far below auto accidents.



Now take out our calculator and reduce it from 17-19% to 1-2% and see where you find yourself.

Anyway enjoy doing the same things that didn't work last time, destroying your economy and licking the boots of ignorant bureaucrats while the rest of the country moves on, gets sunshine, goes to work and educates their children.

Right. I used a racist slur against you. You’re a clown

Get help. "in between dropping racial slurs" I obviously didn't say you used it against me, I don't think I qualify for that slur anyway.

Cracker is not a racially specific term, but you wouldn’t understand the difference between culture and skin color if I bothered to explain it to you.

What you’re showing is you are either offended or pretending to be offended by the term cracker which says much more about you than me

[nedleeds]

Right. I used a racist slur against you. You’re a clown

Get help. "in between dropping racial slurs" I obviously didn't say you used it against me, I don't think I qualify for that slur anyway.

Cracker is not a racially specific term, but you wouldn’t understand the difference between culture and skin color if I bothered to explain it to you.

What you’re showing is you are either offended or pretending to be offended by the term cracker which says much more about you than me

I'm the clown and your splitting hairs over slurs instead of being a normal person? You meant poor whites and you know it, but you don't care because you've deluded yourself into the eschatology of your bizarre religion. I'm not offended or pretending to be offended, I'm pointing out that you are probably not well. Please put me back on ignore (if you ever really did), I'll do the same.

[Clyde_Style]

Get help. "in between dropping racial slurs" I obviously didn't say you used it against me, I don't think I qualify for that slur anyway.

Cracker is not a racially specific term, but you wouldn’t understand the difference between culture and skin color if I bothered to explain it to you.

What you’re showing is you are either offended or pretending to be offended by the term cracker which says much more about you than me

I'm the clown and your splitting hairs over slurs instead of being a normal person? You meant poor whites and you know it, but you don't care because you've deluded yourself into the eschatology of your bizarre religion. I'm not offended or pretending to be offended, I'm pointing out that you are probably not well. Please put me back on ignore (if you ever really did), I'll do the same.

Nope, wrong again, it is not a class distinction.

Well anyway, you are the guy who attempted to cram a half dozen slurs into a single post about lesbian BBQs so I think the board knows all about your bigotry while you're trying to lecture others on cultural sensitivity.

OK, Fine. We'll stop then. Have a nice day

[HarthorneWingo]

It’s now official. The new variant also makes people extra stupid:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-east-village-ebike-fatal-fire-20211217-q3clvufyuzgcbmaobhumncbfam-story.html

The man killed in a raging East Village fire was charging nine e-bike batteries inside his apartment when the flames erupted, with the explosive force of the blaze blowing out the windows and a wall inside the fourth-floor residence, FDNY officials said Friday.

[Clyde_Style]

Here is a text message to Meadows, presumably from Rick Perry



Trump's mafia sure was busy plotting the overthrow of the government

It is pretty incredible:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/politics/rick-perry-jan-6-text-mark-meadows-nov-4/index.html

The text to Meadows suggests a willingness to force a constitutional crisis to undermine the election even before all the legal votes had been counted. The final results from Pennsylvania and Georgia didn't come for days; Trump ultimately won North Carolina.

Boston College professor and historian Heather Cox Richardson found the text striking in that its author "wanted Republican-dominated state legislatures not even to wait to see who had won the election—none of those states had been called by November 4—but simply to ignore the will of the voters, choose their own electors, and hope that the Supreme Court would hand the election to Trump as he had been saying for weeks it would."

In his remarks, Raskin inaccurately described the text message as having come from a "House lawmaker." Sources told CNN this was an inadvertent error. After CNN reached out for comment, a Raskin source said the congressman learned of the error this week from CNN and confirmed the mistake with staff. He has written a letter to correct the Congressional Record.

Perry, the longest serving governor in the history of Texas, became the Secretary of Energy for President Trump from 2017-2019. An unsuccessful presidential candidate in 2012 and 2016, Perry in 2015 described the candidacy of then-rival Trump as "a cancer on conservatism" that "will destroy a set of principles."

[ibraheim718]

I am TRIPLE vaxxed, wear a mask religiously, wash hands frequently, socially distance when possible, all of that. Yet, I tested positive earlier this week -- and so did a dozen of my coworkers.

Omicron is running through NYC like water and it doesn't give a sh*t about the vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna are no match for it. Granted, the vax was not meant to prevent getting COVID and I'm thankful I almost certainly won't be hospitalized or on my death bed. But, Omicron is so contagious that it's not a matter of IF you will get it, but WHEN you will get it!

Stay safe!

The vaccine has no sterilizing properties.

Could the mass multi "vaccination" campaign be responsible for a weakened immune response from humans when encountering other germs and microbes?

Is it really the theory that people being masked up for so long made them more susceptible? I would agree with that if a larger percentage of the population were actually wearing effective masks and actually wearing them properly. It's almost 2022 and I still see people wearing scarfs, neck condoms, and handkerchiefs. I still see people wearing their masks below their noses. And I still see people wearing masks that are filthy. Dumb Americans can't grasp the fact that masks are filters and they need to be replaced more often. I'm not buying the logic. I'm also not buying the idea that the flu just disappeared or that the testing is accurate or that the numbers haven't been fudged and altered in every corner of data collection.

But what has surprised me the most about this pandemic is how Americans all of a sudden have an unwavering trust in one of the most crooked governments in the history of modern civilization.

To further emphasize the ineffectiveness of said vaccine.. two doses weren't enough to illicit a strong immune response from children who have the strongest immune responses so they are going to start recommending a third dose. To put that in perspective.. a third helping of spike protein to see if an adequate immune response can be triggered.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/17/pfizer-vaccine-young-children-third-shot/

And however crazy these last 20 months have been remember the aftermath is going to be way worse.

[ibraheim718]

Kind of coincidental that the new explosion of Covid-19 is right after the mandate for vaccines proof for restaurants, arenas and indoor events. So all vaccinated folks jammed arenas across the country and countries.

Could it be that the vaccinated are the ones spreading the news?

We loosened up too quickly. People are stupid.

I think some other things are at play. I say this because the country was never more wide opened then after Biden announced if you were full vaxxed you could now shed your mask.

[HarthorneWingo]

Kind of coincidental that the new explosion of Covid-19 is right after the mandate for vaccines proof for restaurants, arenas and indoor events. So all vaccinated folks jammed arenas across the country and countries.

Could it be that the vaccinated are the ones spreading the news?

We loosened up too quickly. People are stupid.

I think some other things are at play. I say this because the country was never more wide opened then after Biden announced if you were full vaxxed you could now shed your mask.

First, that’s not that how omicron started. It began in South Africa, I believe. But with a “novel” virus things change as the virus mutates. You gotta change course with it. That’s why it’s so important to get everyone vaccinated and masked up.

Once omicron was discovered, Fauci said that everyone has to mask up. I watched him say it. But people are resisting which is the problem. They went maskless for a little bit, went to bars and restaurants during the nice weather (not me) and got used to “normal” without recognizing that we weren’t over this. Biden isn’t still saying you can drop the mask now. This shyt is like wildfire.

[HarthorneWingo]

Kind of coincidental that the new explosion of Covid-19 is right after the mandate for vaccines proof for restaurants, arenas and indoor events. So all vaccinated folks jammed arenas across the country and countries.

Could it be that the vaccinated are the ones spreading the news?

We loosened up too quickly. People are stupid.

I think some other things are at play. I say this because the country was never more wide opened then after Biden announced if you were full vaxxed you could now shed your mask.

It was still pretty wide open when the country got infected. And even after the first variants were spreading, Republicans were have massive super-spreader events when were first trying to contain it. They claimed it was "fake news". Trump said it was going to just "go away ... puff!" To blame Biden for giving some folks an inch or two during the nice away and the vaccination process was well on its way. Do you remember all of the intense pressure he was getting from the right?

[Clyde_Style]

I am TRIPLE vaxxed, wear a mask religiously, wash hands frequently, socially distance when possible, all of that. Yet, I tested positive earlier this week -- and so did a dozen of my coworkers.

Omicron is running through NYC like water and it doesn't give a sh*t about the vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna are no match for it. Granted, the vax was not meant to prevent getting COVID and I'm thankful I almost certainly won't be hospitalized or on my death bed. But, Omicron is so contagious that it's not a matter of IF you will get it, but WHEN you will get it!

Stay safe!

The vaccine has no sterilizing properties.

Could the mass multi "vaccination" campaign be responsible for a weakened immune response from humans when encountering other germs and microbes?

Is it really the theory that people being masked up for so long made them more susceptible? I would agree with that if a larger percentage of the population were actually wearing effective masks and actually wearing them properly. It's almost 2022 and I still see people wearing scarfs, neck condoms, and handkerchiefs. I still see people wearing their masks below their noses. And I still see people wearing masks that are filthy. Dumb Americans can't grasp the fact that masks are filters and they need to be replaced more often. I'm not buying the logic. I'm also not buying the idea that the flu just disappeared or that the testing is accurate or that the numbers haven't been fudged and altered in every corner of data collection.

But what has surprised me the most about this pandemic is how Americans all of a sudden have an unwavering trust in one of the most crooked governments in the history of modern civilization.

To further emphasize the ineffectiveness of said vaccine.. two doses weren't enough to illicit a strong immune response from children who have the strongest immune responses so they are going to start recommending a third dose. To put that in perspective.. a third helping of spike protein to see if an adequate immune response can be triggered.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/17/pfizer-vaccine-young-children-third-shot/

And however crazy these last 20 months have been remember the aftermath is going to be way worse.

What do you mean about the aftermath being worse?

[Clyde_Style]

We loosened up too quickly. People are stupid.

I think some other things are at play. I say this because the country was never more wide opened then after Biden announced if you were full vaxxed you could now shed your mask.

First, that’s not that how omicron started. It began in South Africa, I believe. But with a “novel” virus things change as the virus mutates. You gotta change course with it. That’s why it’s so important to get everyone vaccinated and masked up.

Once omicron was discovered, Fauci said that everyone has to mask up. I watched him say it. But people are resisting which is the problem. They went maskless for a little bit, went to bars and restaurants during the nice weather (not me) and got used to “normal” without recognizing that we weren’t over this. Biden isn’t still saying you can drop the mask now. This shyt is like wildfire.

Restaurants are packed here with not a mask in sight. Last night I was craving Italian and thought maybe I could find a well ventilated booth in the corner or at least get takeout. It was jammed. There were 200 people in there without a mask. I was the ONLY person there with a mask on. I left.

[thebuzzardman]

I think some other things are at play. I say this because the country was never more wide opened then after Biden announced if you were full vaxxed you could now shed your mask.

First, that’s not that how omicron started. It began in South Africa, I believe. But with a “novel” virus things change as the virus mutates. You gotta change course with it. That’s why it’s so important to get everyone vaccinated and masked up.

Once omicron was discovered, Fauci said that everyone has to mask up. I watched him say it. But people are resisting which is the problem. They went maskless for a little bit, went to bars and restaurants during the nice weather (not me) and got used to “normal” without recognizing that we weren’t over this. Biden isn’t still saying you can drop the mask now. This shyt is like wildfire.

Restaurants are packed here with not a mask in sight. Last night I was craving Italian and thought maybe I could find a well ventilated booth in the corner or at least get takeout. It was jammed. There were 200 people in there without a mask. I was the ONLY person there with a mask on. I left.

I get how different factions in America have their different pet reasons for why things may not be working against the Covid flu. I'd like to think my ideas are close to what mainstream science and common sense would suggest.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that that lots of people have been calling what's happening now, in one form or another, since early on.
Why? Because a variation of this happened during the 1918 Spanish Flu. The pandemic rages, people have mixed amounts of doing the public health measures, they comply better, and the virus seems to move on. They loosened up, the flu ran rampant again. Or it mutated and it ran rampant again. Or both. Point being, that flu also had at least one, and I think two, periods where it was "over" but it wasn't, and the infections raged again.

All we can hope is enough people get vaccinated. Well, that isn't going to happen anymore than it is unless there is some true massive death event over 800,000, like one where young people die in sufficiently spectacular numbers to make generally selfish Americans actually pay the f*ck attention. The other is that the virus mutates into something more infectious but less deadly, as they generally do. However, that takes X amount of time, where no one knows what X is, and there may or may not be the spectacular death count along the way.
The "1918 Spanish Flu" isn't the most helpful historical title, because the problems went on for several years. Just like now.

Oh well. We have the means to stop this with 100+ years of medical advances, but just a bit too many people are too stubborn. Also, the country is 3X more populous, so that matters as well. I figure we break the million death # by February, easy.

[Clyde_Style]

First, that’s not that how omicron started. It began in South Africa, I believe. But with a “novel” virus things change as the virus mutates. You gotta change course with it. That’s why it’s so important to get everyone vaccinated and masked up.

Once omicron was discovered, Fauci said that everyone has to mask up. I watched him say it. But people are resisting which is the problem. They went maskless for a little bit, went to bars and restaurants during the nice weather (not me) and got used to “normal” without recognizing that we weren’t over this. Biden isn’t still saying you can drop the mask now. This shyt is like wildfire.

Restaurants are packed here with not a mask in sight. Last night I was craving Italian and thought maybe I could find a well ventilated booth in the corner or at least get takeout. It was jammed. There were 200 people in there without a mask. I was the ONLY person there with a mask on. I left.

I get how different factions in America have their different pet reasons for why things may not be working against the Covid flu. I'd like to think my ideas are close to what mainstream science and common sense would suggest.

Anyway, I'd like to point out that that lots of people have been calling what's happening now, in one form or another, since early on.
Why? Because a variation of this happened during the 1918 Spanish Flu. The pandemic rages, people have mixed amounts of doing the public health measures, they comply better, and the virus seems to move on. They loosened up, the flu ran rampant again. Or it mutated and it ran rampant again. Or both. Point being, that flu also had at least one, and I think two, periods where it was "over" but it wasn't, and the infections raged again.

All we can hope is enough people get vaccinated. Well, that isn't going to happen anymore than it is unless there is some true massive death event over 800,000, like one where young people die in sufficiently spectacular numbers to make generally selfish Americans actually pay the f*ck attention. The other is that the virus mutates into something more infectious but less deadly, as they generally do. However, that takes X amount of time, where no one knows what X is, and there may or may not be the spectacular death count along the way.
The "1918 Spanish Flu" isn't the most helpful historical title, because the problems went on for several years. Just like now.

Oh well. We have the means to stop this with 100+ years of medical advances, but just a bit too many people are too stubborn. Also, the country is 3X more populous, so that matters as well. I figure we break the million death # by February, easy.

The thing about an eventual lessening of the strength of the virus is that two years from now after the last big waves will even the most diligent people wear masks?

It seems eventually everyone will have some form of exposure even if it has been minimized in its effects. I’m in the hot zone so I’m going to get tested soon. I expect a positive result. It just seems likely at this point even though I’m triple vaxxed and sometimes the only guy wearing a mask here.