PhillyFan11 wrote:mjkvol wrote:brannigan73 wrote:Fox doesnt do anything well but create mediocre shots. He cant really shoot and turns the balls over a lot. Lets trade Simmons for a couple solid veterans who have at least one or two very good skills and build a Utah type team. I feel like you could get something like Caris Levert and Sabonis or Sabonis and TJ Warren or Levert and Warren with Indiana as an example for Simmons. With Toronto maybe you could get Siakam and Gary Trent Jr possibly or if your lucky Van Vleet or Onunboy straight up for Simmons. The Sixers would be much improved with any of those deals. There offense would be juiced up and they'd be really deep. If they could add a couple of veterans that are capable of scoring double figures at decent percentage every night it would help this team so much. It might not sound like a lot but guys like Warren and Levert even huge upgrade over the current bench and really Levert I would start and more Curry to the bench. Siakam and Sabonis maybe not perfect fits but they are good ball players. Gary Trent Jr is a big guard that isnt afraid to keep jacking when he is open. Korkmaz is like a poor man's version of Gary Trent Jr. Joel is in his prime we already have Maxey we dont need another young guard to develop we are tryin to win. Lets get some quality vets and move on.
Excellent idea ... if you're end game is to be a perennial 2-4 seed that can't get past the 2nd round, like the Jazz you want to emulate. The team would be solid, no doubt, but without that closer, the guy who can take you home in the biggest spots, you're not going to beat the best when it counts.
I hear what you are saying…but aren’t we already screwed if Joel isn’t that guy? We’ve kinda gone too far at this point. Outside of a glimmer of hope for Dame, who else do we even have a remote chance of getting? Beal is a very good player, but is he really the type of guy you add to Jo and we are instantly title favorites? Is there a single other guy available that fits your criteria of a closer?
Again, I agree with you in theory. I just don’t know how possible it is. And if faced with keeping this same thing or trying something new…I’ll go new every time. Ben and Tobi are dragging us down and the plan can’t be pray for a miracle trade or go down with the ship. I think there has to be a middle ground there eventually.
Totally agree with your entire post. To me, it's close to a pipe dream that we're going to acquire that real difference maker with Simmons or Harris, but given that fact, here are your choices:
1. Make the type of trade that brannigan73 proposed and become the Jazz of the East. That is fine unless your goal is winning championships, but we have used our last trade chip, and what we are will be what we are, barring something crazy that Morey can do trade or draft wise.
2. Hold out on a Simmons trade until that difference maker comes available. Could it happen? Certainly, but what would we have to give up for this all or nothing move? Championship teams need depth and solid role players, but it seems like we would be surrendering that plus draft capital for this to happen legitimately, but it is still a shot.
3. Tear it down - move anyone and everyone around Embiid, hoping to strike gold with youth in 2-3 years. But where will Jo be at that point, if he even signed off on something like this. Likely it would mean moving him as well, and a total rebuild.
Bottom line - Morey needs to fill an inside straight to make this into a championship team as it stands. In other words, we're pretty much f***ked in that regard.
I prefer either option 2 or 3. I'd rather leave it in Morey's hands and roll the dice than settling for a 'nice' return that insures that ownership can cash playoff checks for the rest of Embiid's career but never have a shot at the brass ring.
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