Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[treefi]

Tier 1
1. PF - Jabari Smith Jr.
2. PF/C - Paolo Banchero
Tier 2
3. SG -Jaden Ivey
4. PF/C - Chet Holmgren
5. C - Jalen Duren
6. SF - Kendall Brown
Tier 3
7. SG - Bennedict Mathurin
8. SF - Nikola Jović
9. PG - Kennedy Chandler
10. PF - Keegan Murray
11. SG - Jaden Hardy
12. SF/PF - Patrick Baldwin Jr.
Tier 4
13. SG - Dyson Daniels
14. SF - Ousmane Dieng
15. PG - TyTy Washington
16. PG -J.D. Davison
17. SF - Caleb Houstan
18. SF - AJ Griffin
19. SF - Wendell Moore
Tier 5
20. PG - Jean Montero
21. C - Mark Williams
22. SF - Johnny Davis
23. SF - Harrison Ingram
24. PG/SG - Jordan Hall
25. PF - Michael Foster
26. SG - MarJon Beauchamp
27. PF - PRoko Prkacin
28. SF - Julian Strawther
29. SF - Julian Champagnie
30. PF - Trayce Jackson-Davis
31. SG - Hyunjung Lee
32. PF/C - Oscar Tshiebwe
33. SG - Ochai Agbaji
34. SG - Max Christie
35. PF/C - Daimion Collins

[Kilo]

Ivey being a sophomore needs to be factored in.

[Manocad]

Ivey being a sophomore needs to be factored in.

Given some of the posts in this forum I would think that means "too old." God forbid a player has a 2 in the first digit of his age when drafted.

[reanimator]

Jabari is a 2003 baby but Chet/Ivey/Paolo are all 2002 babies born months apart....not that I read too heavily into age

[MotownMadness]

He would instantly be one of the fastest players in the league, wow

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[Manocad]

He would instantly be one of the fastest players in the league, wow

Watch on YouTube

The narrator said that driving and dishing is Ivey's "bread and butter." Isn't that what Hayes is being heavily criticized for?

[bstein14]

Driving and dishing is great if you're getting to the right teammate in the right spot for them to succeed.

Jaden Ivey is much quicker and an elite athlete when compared to Cade or Hayes. He was a freshman mostly getting by on athleticism but now as a Sophomore he's really hitting 3 pointers when previously outside shooting was a weakness. He's certainly added enough to his game to make a case for top 5 pick.

That said, we know NBA GMs love younger players and it seems its rare nowadays for Sophomores to be picked in the top 5.

Jalen Duren is really young, he was supposed to be part of the 2023 draft class but he skipped out on his senior year of high school and went to Memphis. He just turned 18. His upside is huge he's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan who is a major athlete and rim protector. His offensive skillset needs work and he probably would look a bit like a rookie Andre Drummond but he might be the highest upside player in this draft. Just hard to pick a kid so young and so much of a project. He also spent last season at Cade's old high school.

[MotownMadness]

Today's game

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[vic]

Jabaro
Ivey
Chet
Paolo


2nd round
Mark Williams
Oscar Thshibwe
Christian Koloko

[Manocad]

Driving and dishing is great if you're getting to the right teammate in the right spot for them to succeed.

Jaden Ivey is much quicker and an elite athlete when compared to Cade or Hayes. He was a freshman mostly getting by on athleticism but now as a Sophomore he's really hitting 3 pointers when previously outside shooting was a weakness. He's certainly added enough to his game to make a case for top 5 pick.

That said, we know NBA GMs love younger players and it seems its rare nowadays for Sophomores to be picked in the top 5.

Jalen Duren is really young, he was supposed to be part of the 2023 draft class but he skipped out on his senior year of high school and went to Memphis. He just turned 18. His upside is huge he's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan who is a major athlete and rim protector. His offensive skillset needs work and he probably would look a bit like a rookie Andre Drummond but he might be the highest upside player in this draft. Just hard to pick a kid so young and so much of a project. He also spent last season at Cade's old high school.

Driving and dishing to guys in the right spot sounds like what Hayes did last game. Certainly if Ivey plays himself into a consensus BPA when the Pistons pick they should take him. Outside of that if he’s considered at an equal level to the best big man available I’d still argue that taking a big man represents a better choice for the Pistons at this time. Adding more guard scoring doesn’t solve the lack of inside defense and rebounding which is without a doubt the biggest reason why the Pistons are struggling to win. Now obviously it has to be taken into account which free agents are available by draft time. As I posted previously I think the Pistons are better served drafting a player who represents help with interior D and rebounding then going to the free agent market to fill other gaps rather than drafting a player who doesn’t represent a position of biggest need then hoping they are able to fill the biggest need in free agency. Drafting a player is a given; you pick him and he’s yours. Getting a player in free agency isn’t.

[reanimator]

He would instantly be one of the fastest players in the league, wow

Watch on YouTube

The narrator said that driving and dishing is Ivey's "bread and butter." Isn't that what Hayes is being heavily criticized for?

Hayes and Ivey cannot be compared.

Different caliber of athlete. Ivey day 1 will put significantly more pressure on the rim and as a transition threat. Absolutely as big a need as a starting caliber of big. Great teams need more than one good on-ball creator.

[FloridaMan78]

Driving and dishing is great if you're getting to the right teammate in the right spot for them to succeed.

Jaden Ivey is much quicker and an elite athlete when compared to Cade or Hayes. He was a freshman mostly getting by on athleticism but now as a Sophomore he's really hitting 3 pointers when previously outside shooting was a weakness. He's certainly added enough to his game to make a case for top 5 pick.

That said, we know NBA GMs love younger players and it seems its rare nowadays for Sophomores to be picked in the top 5.

Jalen Duren is really young, he was supposed to be part of the 2023 draft class but he skipped out on his senior year of high school and went to Memphis. He just turned 18. His upside is huge he's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan who is a major athlete and rim protector. His offensive skillset needs work and he probably would look a bit like a rookie Andre Drummond but he might be the highest upside player in this draft. Just hard to pick a kid so young and so much of a project. He also spent last season at Cade's old high school.

Driving and dishing to guys in the right spot sounds like what Hayes did last game. Certainly if Ivey plays himself into a consensus BPA when the Pistons pick they should take him. Outside of that if he’s considered at an equal level to the best big man available I’d still argue that taking a big man represents a better choice for the Pistons at this time. Adding more guard scoring doesn’t solve the lack of inside defense and rebounding which is without a doubt the biggest reason why the Pistons are struggling to win. Now obviously it has to be taken into account which free agents are available by draft time. As I posted previously I think the Pistons are better served drafting a player who represents help with interior D and rebounding then going to the free agent market to fill other gaps rather than drafting a player who doesn’t represent a position of biggest need then hoping they are able to fill the biggest need in free agency. Drafting a player is a given; you pick him and he’s yours. Getting a player in free agency isn’t.

Unfortunately the top of the draft does not have a player that can help with interior D and rebounding.

Banchero is a iso mid range big who’s pretty lazy on D and an ok rebounder.

Jabari is a 3 point chucker and an ok rebounder who hopefully fills out and can be an ok defender.

Neither are what you’re looking for.

Chet is Chet. Maybe one day he gains some weight and can defend in the post.

Duren is raw and depends on his size and athleticism and that usually doesn’t fly for bigs in the NBA especially at his size.

[Manocad]

He would instantly be one of the fastest players in the league, wow

Watch on YouTube

The narrator said that driving and dishing is Ivey's "bread and butter." Isn't that what Hayes is being heavily criticized for?

Hayes and Ivey cannot be compared.

Different caliber of athlete. Ivey day 1 will put significantly more pressure on the rim and as a transition threat. Absolutely as big a need as a starting caliber of big. Great teams need more than one good on-ball creator.

You're talking interior offense. I'm talking interior defense.

[Manocad]

Driving and dishing is great if you're getting to the right teammate in the right spot for them to succeed.

Jaden Ivey is much quicker and an elite athlete when compared to Cade or Hayes. He was a freshman mostly getting by on athleticism but now as a Sophomore he's really hitting 3 pointers when previously outside shooting was a weakness. He's certainly added enough to his game to make a case for top 5 pick.

That said, we know NBA GMs love younger players and it seems its rare nowadays for Sophomores to be picked in the top 5.

Jalen Duren is really young, he was supposed to be part of the 2023 draft class but he skipped out on his senior year of high school and went to Memphis. He just turned 18. His upside is huge he's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan who is a major athlete and rim protector. His offensive skillset needs work and he probably would look a bit like a rookie Andre Drummond but he might be the highest upside player in this draft. Just hard to pick a kid so young and so much of a project. He also spent last season at Cade's old high school.

Driving and dishing to guys in the right spot sounds like what Hayes did last game. Certainly if Ivey plays himself into a consensus BPA when the Pistons pick they should take him. Outside of that if he’s considered at an equal level to the best big man available I’d still argue that taking a big man represents a better choice for the Pistons at this time. Adding more guard scoring doesn’t solve the lack of inside defense and rebounding which is without a doubt the biggest reason why the Pistons are struggling to win. Now obviously it has to be taken into account which free agents are available by draft time. As I posted previously I think the Pistons are better served drafting a player who represents help with interior D and rebounding then going to the free agent market to fill other gaps rather than drafting a player who doesn’t represent a position of biggest need then hoping they are able to fill the biggest need in free agency. Drafting a player is a given; you pick him and he’s yours. Getting a player in free agency isn’t.

Unfortunately the top of the draft does not have a player that can help with interior D and rebounding.

Banchero is a iso mid range big who’s pretty lazy on D and an ok rebounder.

Jabari is a 3 point chucker and an ok rebounder who hopefully fills out and can be an ok defender.

Neither are what you’re looking for.

Chet is Chet. Maybe one day he gains some weight and can defend in the post.

Duren is raw and depends on his size and athleticism and that usually doesn’t fly for bigs in the NBA especially at his size.

Then like I said, if Ivey is the clear cut BPA when the Pistons draft then sure, take him. Or trade down and address more needs. I'm just not enamored with high-flying scoring guards when the glaring need is interior defense and rebounding (and scoring too).

[reanimator]

The narrator said that driving and dishing is Ivey's "bread and butter." Isn't that what Hayes is being heavily criticized for?

Hayes and Ivey cannot be compared.

Different caliber of athlete. Ivey day 1 will put significantly more pressure on the rim and as a transition threat. Absolutely as big a need as a starting caliber of big. Great teams need more than one good on-ball creator.

You're talking interior offense. I'm talking interior defense.

Pistons need both and at the top of the draft there is no Embiid, Dray, or AD or even a Myles Turner/Bam type. All the raw bigs who can do the basics ie catch lobs, rim run, roll to the rim, switch, rim protect, rebound, etc are late 1st/early 2nd crapshoots

[bstein14]

Driving and dishing is great if you're getting to the right teammate in the right spot for them to succeed.

Jaden Ivey is much quicker and an elite athlete when compared to Cade or Hayes. He was a freshman mostly getting by on athleticism but now as a Sophomore he's really hitting 3 pointers when previously outside shooting was a weakness. He's certainly added enough to his game to make a case for top 5 pick.

That said, we know NBA GMs love younger players and it seems its rare nowadays for Sophomores to be picked in the top 5.

Jalen Duren is really young, he was supposed to be part of the 2023 draft class but he skipped out on his senior year of high school and went to Memphis. He just turned 18. His upside is huge he's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan who is a major athlete and rim protector. His offensive skillset needs work and he probably would look a bit like a rookie Andre Drummond but he might be the highest upside player in this draft. Just hard to pick a kid so young and so much of a project. He also spent last season at Cade's old high school.

Driving and dishing to guys in the right spot sounds like what Hayes did last game. Certainly if Ivey plays himself into a consensus BPA when the Pistons pick they should take him. Outside of that if he’s considered at an equal level to the best big man available I’d still argue that taking a big man represents a better choice for the Pistons at this time. Adding more guard scoring doesn’t solve the lack of inside defense and rebounding which is without a doubt the biggest reason why the Pistons are struggling to win. Now obviously it has to be taken into account which free agents are available by draft time. As I posted previously I think the Pistons are better served drafting a player who represents help with interior D and rebounding then going to the free agent market to fill other gaps rather than drafting a player who doesn’t represent a position of biggest need then hoping they are able to fill the biggest need in free agency. Drafting a player is a given; you pick him and he’s yours. Getting a player in free agency isn’t.

I think right now you could say adding athleticism to our starting lineup is one of the biggest needs. Also, as our current roster stands Grant, Olynyk, and Cade are our best players and Stewart is likely top 5. It's very likely that PG is our biggest need when you look at where our poorest play occurs. That said, I'm not concerned about need at all in this draft its the guy who is the best player no matter what their position is. Someone will always edge out someone else we shouldn't be letting position impact our decision at all at this point. Especially when we also have $30 to $40 million to spend in free agency this summer.

Big thing is, we need to come away with at least 2 solid starting caliber rotation players this offseason, one in the draft and one in FA. Right now only Grant, Olynyk and Cade are really close to being average starters in this league at this point.

[Manocad]

Hayes and Ivey cannot be compared.

Different caliber of athlete. Ivey day 1 will put significantly more pressure on the rim and as a transition threat. Absolutely as big a need as a starting caliber of big. Great teams need more than one good on-ball creator.

You're talking interior offense. I'm talking interior defense.

Pistons need both and at the top of the draft there is no Embiid, Dray, or AD or even a Myles Turner/Bam type. All the raw bigs who can do the basics ie catch lobs, rim run, roll to the rim, switch, rim protect, rebound, etc are late 1st/early 2nd crapshoots

Why does it have to be a raw project rather than Holmgren, Smith or Duren? Are you saying that none of them qualify as being able to catch lobs, rim run, roll to the rim, switch, rim protect and rebound? I don't think anyone expects the Pistons to utilize a "one guy in the paint" defensive scheme. In any case, I'm in a similar boat as last year in the sense that when I think about how the Pistons can best utilize the draft to continue building their foundation, i.e. Cade vs Mobley, I don't look at the team and think "A Jaden Ivey type is what this team needs most."

[Manocad]

Driving and dishing is great if you're getting to the right teammate in the right spot for them to succeed.

Jaden Ivey is much quicker and an elite athlete when compared to Cade or Hayes. He was a freshman mostly getting by on athleticism but now as a Sophomore he's really hitting 3 pointers when previously outside shooting was a weakness. He's certainly added enough to his game to make a case for top 5 pick.

That said, we know NBA GMs love younger players and it seems its rare nowadays for Sophomores to be picked in the top 5.

Jalen Duren is really young, he was supposed to be part of the 2023 draft class but he skipped out on his senior year of high school and went to Memphis. He just turned 18. His upside is huge he's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan who is a major athlete and rim protector. His offensive skillset needs work and he probably would look a bit like a rookie Andre Drummond but he might be the highest upside player in this draft. Just hard to pick a kid so young and so much of a project. He also spent last season at Cade's old high school.

Driving and dishing to guys in the right spot sounds like what Hayes did last game. Certainly if Ivey plays himself into a consensus BPA when the Pistons pick they should take him. Outside of that if he’s considered at an equal level to the best big man available I’d still argue that taking a big man represents a better choice for the Pistons at this time. Adding more guard scoring doesn’t solve the lack of inside defense and rebounding which is without a doubt the biggest reason why the Pistons are struggling to win. Now obviously it has to be taken into account which free agents are available by draft time. As I posted previously I think the Pistons are better served drafting a player who represents help with interior D and rebounding then going to the free agent market to fill other gaps rather than drafting a player who doesn’t represent a position of biggest need then hoping they are able to fill the biggest need in free agency. Drafting a player is a given; you pick him and he’s yours. Getting a player in free agency isn’t.

I think right now you could say adding athleticism to our starting lineup is one of the biggest needs. Also, as our current roster stands Grant, Olynyk, and Cade are our best players and Stewart is likely top 5. It's very likely that PG is our biggest need when you look at where our poorest play occurs. That said, I'm not concerned about need at all in this draft its the guy who is the best player no matter what their position is. Someone will always edge out someone else we shouldn't be letting position impact our decision at all at this point. Especially when we also have $30 to $40 million to spend in free agency this summer.

Big thing is, we need to come away with at least 2 solid starting caliber rotation players this offseason, one in the draft and one in FA. Right now only Grant, Olynyk and Cade are really close to being average starters in this league at this point.

We disagree on that. I think the Pistons poorest play is at defensive center, not scoring guard.

[MotownMadness]

Yeah defensive center is a big need but not sure you can address that in the draft unless you're a Chet fan. All we can do is make a big board and take BPA. Either draft Ivey or hopefully one of the 4s in Banchero or Smith.

Then maybe get a center through the Grant trade or FA.

[reanimator]

You're talking interior offense. I'm talking interior defense.

Pistons need both and at the top of the draft there is no Embiid, Dray, or AD or even a Myles Turner/Bam type. All the raw bigs who can do the basics ie catch lobs, rim run, roll to the rim, switch, rim protect, rebound, etc are late 1st/early 2nd crapshoots

Why does it have to be a raw project rather than Holmgren, Smith or Duren? Are you saying that none of them qualify as being able to catch lobs, rim run, roll to the rim, switch, rim protect and rebound? I don't think anyone expects the Pistons to utilize a "one guy in the paint" defensive scheme. In any case, I'm in a similar boat as last year in the sense that when I think about how the Pistons can best utilize the draft to continue building their foundation, i.e. Cade vs Mobley, I don't look at the team and think "A Jaden Ivey type is what this team needs most."

Jabari is not locking down the paint and I have him #1 but its purely for his offensive package. Chet is a great rim protector but there are concerns about him getting pushed around in the paint or sticking with smalls on switches. A GM will get fired for taking Duren over Ivey.

I see a clear need for more shot creation to let Cade play offball more plus an infusion of athleticism which the Pistons currently lack. Weaver/Casey tries to fill this need with Diallo and Josh Jackson but they aren't really viable starters.