Build Your Realistic Team - Draft COMPLETED

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I'm interested in seeing the KAT team, I really like how he's been playing this season.

I want to see all the teams built around offensive centers, how they are going to work.
I know where my challenges are going to come from.

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[Baski]

As much as I'm a Rudy Gobert fan, I'm maybe a pinch surprised to see him go as high as 8th [though only a pinch].

For what it's worth, it wasn't easy making the choice. Midround picks are terrible for me because at that point, the no-brainer guys are off the board and you have to start balancing your choices between semi-replicable superstars and irreplaceable, yet not quite superstar-level, team boosters.
Imo none of the remaining guys bring so much that it outweighs guaranteeing what I hope will be the best defense in the tournament. And if things go my way, I've got my eye on some All-stars (and if I'm really lucky, some All-NBA types) to plug up the holes Rudy has. We'll see how it goes.

I personally think you got a bit of a steal. Maybe not from a perspective of convincing voters, but I think people are underestimating how good the Jazz have been - absolutely could have won the title last year if not for injuries - and how fleshed out the theory of how to get there is.

Oh ya this guy is a force of nature. He's everywhere that matters in the Jazz' performance year after year. It's a bit surprising how impactful he is given his archetype but I'm not complaining. Tbh I think I got him 1 or 2 spots too early, but it was worth it. If I were in the real NBA draft vs great minds like Pelinka and the like, I would've picked Jimmy and been confident I can get Rudy in the 2nd round, but I wouldn't have such luck here, so I had to make a choice. That's why Midround sucks.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Oh ya this guy is a force of nature. He's everywhere that matters in the Jazz' performance year after year. It's a bit surprising how impactful he is given his archetype but I'm not complaining. Tbh I think I got him 1 or 2 spots too early, but it was worth it. If I were in the real NBA draft vs great minds like Pelinka and the like, I would've picked Jimmy and been confident I can get Rudy in the 2nd round, but I wouldn't have such luck here, so I had to make a choice. That's why Midround sucks.

are we then confident that the guys is a top10 and not top25 player?
Becausr this is what we're saying and it's very far from where the consensus seems to be.
Not against the notion, but how easily you'll fill th le rest of the team out will be very telling, in my view.



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[Ryoga Hibiki]

Two thoughts/questions:

Is it just injured guys out - are Kyrie/Simmons still available to draft? My first thought was yes, but we should be clear.

I think we should probably cut rounds 11/12. Don't add much to the teambuilding exercise and takes an extra day or two to draft.

I think you're right, but let's talk again about this in a few rounds

[flaco]

Two thoughts/questions:

Is it just injured guys out - are Kyrie/Simmons still available to draft? My first thought was yes, but we should be clear.

I think we should probably cut rounds 11/12. Don't add much to the teambuilding exercise and takes an extra day or two to draft.

I think you're right, but let's talk again about this in a few rounds

Why on earth do people sign up for these games if they don't plan to be active? It makes no sense to me.

[Doctor MJ]

Two thoughts/questions:

Is it just injured guys out - are Kyrie/Simmons still available to draft? My first thought was yes, but we should be clear.

I think we should probably cut rounds 11/12. Don't add much to the teambuilding exercise and takes an extra day or two to draft.

I think you're right, but let's talk again about this in a few rounds

Why on earth do people sign up for these games if they don't plan to be active? It makes no sense to me.

In my experience, later rounds on projects like these just end up feeling like a chore.

I'd generally vote for only going 8-10 rounds on something like this. Once you get to the point where you're literally drafting 3rd team bench guys it just doesn't end up mattering to anyone.

[Baski]

Oh ya this guy is a force of nature. He's everywhere that matters in the Jazz' performance year after year. It's a bit surprising how impactful he is given his archetype but I'm not complaining. Tbh I think I got him 1 or 2 spots too early, but it was worth it. If I were in the real NBA draft vs great minds like Pelinka and the like, I would've picked Jimmy and been confident I can get Rudy in the 2nd round, but I wouldn't have such luck here, so I had to make a choice. That's why Midround sucks.

are we rhen confident that the guys is a top10 and not top25 player?
Becausr this is what we're saying and it's very far from where the consensus seems to be.
Not against the notion, but how easily you'll fill th le rest of the team out will be very telling, in my view.



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If you ask me, I'm very confident that 2022 Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player, and I think most people here can easily see a case for that give or take maybe 2 spots. My opinion gets stronger if you're talking about purely team building instead of best payer in a vacuum. In the broader NBA community though, and that includes players and GMs, he'd probably be pushed to the lower end of top 20, maybe top 25.

I think I'll have an easier time building around him than usual because of the number of teams. The offense won't be built around him, but whoever it will be built around will be playing on easy mode next to Rudy, that much I'm sure.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

If you ask me, I'm very confident that 2022 Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player, and I think most people here can easily see a case for that give or take maybe 2 spots. My opinion gets stronger if you're talking about purely team building instead of best payer in a vacuum. In the broader NBA community though, and that includes players and GMs, he'd probably be pushed to the lower end of top 20, maybe top 25.

I think I'll have an easier time building around him than usual because of the number of teams. The offense won't be built around him, but whoever it will be built around will be playing on easy mode next to Rudy, that much I'm sure.

My view is that there's not such thing as "best player in a vacuum". I mean, everybody would pass out in a few seconds and then die of asphyxia, what's the point of it?
Each player has different value depending on the context, hence the best players are the ones who would fit in the most possible combination of teammates while being in a contending team.
That's why I was thinking about this simulation for some time, and Gobert is one of the poster boys for this: I want to see how easily you'll manage to build a great team around him.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

durantbird shared his list with me, but we are in a pretty similar timezone.
If someone in the US that picks after him wants to take my place, in case...

[Colbinii]

durantbird shared his list with me, but we are in a pretty similar timezone.
If someone in the US that picks after him wants to take my place, in case...

You can send it to me since I pick after him.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

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Soon (1h? 1.5h?) we might have to drop you. We already wasted 8 hours and you haven't been on line for like 6 hours, according the website

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Are you ready, in case?

Is there anyone willing to join as a backup?

[flaco]

I think you're right, but let's talk again about this in a few rounds

Why on earth do people sign up for these games if they don't plan to be active? It makes no sense to me.

In my experience, later rounds on projects like these just end up feeling like a chore.

I'd generally vote for only going 8-10 rounds on something like this. Once you get to the point where you're literally drafting 3rd team bench guys it just doesn't end up mattering to anyone.

I've participated in 3 fantasy drafts, but we were using a slightly different format. The draft was always starting at a specific time each day. We were usually doing a couple of rounds per day. Each participant had 10-15 minutes to make their pick. Overseas posters (like myself) were often sending a list with their draft choices to the commissioner. Everybody knew what time to log in, hence each round usually lasted about an hour or so. Even the latter rounds were flying by. The way we do it here, it feels like it's going to drag on forever.

[Doctor MJ]

Why on earth do people sign up for these games if they don't plan to be active? It makes no sense to me.

In my experience, later rounds on projects like these just end up feeling like a chore.

I'd generally vote for only going 8-10 rounds on something like this. Once you get to the point where you're literally drafting 3rd team bench guys it just doesn't end up mattering to anyone.

I've participated in 3 fantasy drafts, but we were using a slightly different format. The draft was always starting at a specific time each day. We were usually doing a couple of rounds per day. Each participant had 10-15 minutes to make their pick. Overseas posters (like myself) were often sending a list with their draft choices to the commissioner. Everybody knew what time to log in, hence each round usually lasted about an hour or so. Even the latter rounds were flying by. The way we do it here, it feels like it's going to drag on forever.

Generally what happens is that there are a couple people who sign up who then forget they signed up before the 1st pick. Once you have a whole rotation full of GMs that know what's going on, it goes much faster.

Not saying the way you mention isn't a good approach, but we're specifically having issues with people who likely don't know they are supposed to "be here" despite the fact that they are receiving messages on RealGM saying they need to be, so greater specificity at this point isn't likely to change things imho.

[flaco]

In my experience, later rounds on projects like these just end up feeling like a chore.

I'd generally vote for only going 8-10 rounds on something like this. Once you get to the point where you're literally drafting 3rd team bench guys it just doesn't end up mattering to anyone.

I've participated in 3 fantasy drafts, but we were using a slightly different format. The draft was always starting at a specific time each day. We were usually doing a couple of rounds per day. Each participant had 10-15 minutes to make their pick. Overseas posters (like myself) were often sending a list with their draft choices to the commissioner. Everybody knew what time to log in, hence each round usually lasted about an hour or so. Even the latter rounds were flying by. The way we do it here, it feels like it's going to drag on forever.

Generally what happens is that there are a couple people who sign up who then forget they signed up before the 1st pick. Once you have a whole rotation full of GMs that know what's going on, it goes much faster.

Not saying the way you mention isn't a good approach, but we're specifically having issues with people who likely don't know they are supposed to "be here" despite the fact that they are receiving messages on RealGM saying they need to be, so greater specificity at this point isn't likely to change things imho.

Hope you are right mate. I've never played under this format. You certainly know better than I do.

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Are you guys already set on your draft targets? Personally speaking, I have 3 players in mind, but I'm kinda worried none of them will be available on the board at #27. If so, I have no idea whatsoever whom I'm gonna pick.

I'm aslo surprised 3 specific guys are still on the board.

[Fadeaway_J]

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Soon (1h? 1.5h?) we might have to drop you. We already wasted 8 hours and you haven't been on line for like 6 hours, according the website

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Are you ready, in case?

Is there anyone willing to join as a backup?

Doesn't he have eight hours to pick?

[Ryoga Hibiki]

He does, you're right.
Very concerned by the fact he's not been on line already for six, but I guess I must respect the rules that I laid down at the beginning.

[Doctor MJ]

Hope you are right mate. I've never played under this format. You certainly know better than I do.

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Are you guys already set on your draft targets? Personally speaking, I have 3 players in mind, but I'm kinda worried none of them will be available on the board at #27. If so, I have no idea whatsoever whom I'm gonna pick.

I know enough to know it will speed up, but your points are knowledgeable ones, so I wouldn't assume I know better.

Re: set on draft targets. No, too many picks between my picks at this point to zero in on targets effectively for me. I know the types of players I'm looking for and could list out some of examples of those types - though I won't - but in terms of who will actually be available, to many possibilities.

[Doctor MJ]

He does, you're right.
Very concerned by the fact he's not been on line already for six, but I guess I must respect the rules that I laid down at the beginning.

For the first round I think so, but you should feel free to adapt to what you see as long as you give us voters enough notice ahead of time.

[Baski]

If you ask me, I'm very confident that 2022 Rudy Gobert is a top 10 player, and I think most people here can easily see a case for that give or take maybe 2 spots. My opinion gets stronger if you're talking about purely team building instead of best payer in a vacuum. In the broader NBA community though, and that includes players and GMs, he'd probably be pushed to the lower end of top 20, maybe top 25.

I think I'll have an easier time building around him than usual because of the number of teams. The offense won't be built around him, but whoever it will be built around will be playing on easy mode next to Rudy, that much I'm sure.

My view is that there's not such thing as "best player in a vacuum". I mean, everybody would pass out in a few seconds and then die of asphyxia, what's the point of it?
Each player has different value depending on the context, hence the best players are the ones who would fit in the most possible combination of teammates while being in a contending team.
That's why I was thinking about this simulation for some time, and Gobert is one of the poster boys for this: I want to see how easily you'll manage to build a great team around him.

I see what you're saying, but I think it's more complex than that. For one thing, the vast majority of superstars have teams built around them, so potential teammate combinations don't always mean much. 2011 Dirk may have fit in more combinations than 2000 Shaq, but that's not a factor because you're always gonna pick Shaq regardless of who is already on the team.

I think it makes sense if you're just picking out of a pool of players with no tangible effect of your choice (Like say, All NBA teams and rankings). But in a draft (i.e. team building) scenario where you have to consider who has already been picked and who is still left on the board, then I think the distinction between "BPIAV" and "best team fit" has meaning. After your first pick it becomes complicated. We'll see in the next few rounds that some picks will be very clearly worse players than some of those left.

[Baski]

I'm aslo surprised 3 specific guys are still on the board.

I'm not.


Like you, my draft board is a mess right now. I think having specific targeted players will almost always backfire. I'm just grouping similarly-skilled players into tiers so I don't get blindsided when one is taken off. Really hard to tell how valued the guys I value are in general.