OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[thebuzzardman]

The good news with the unvaxxed is that according to the CDC they are not transmitting the virus after infection, so are building up natural immunity. This is making their immune systems even stronger. Can't say that about the vax'd. Most vax'd people have no resistance to the Omicron.

The vax'd are also still transmitters. They are protecting themselves from serious illness (but not from the severe side effects or even deaths, of the vax.) So, if the Omicron is indeed milder, we might want to rethink vaccinations (for those not in risk groups) as that might be prolonging things (i.e. getting vax'd for latest variant but still passing it on after infection when there might be no danger from the Omicron.) The number of people I know who got vax'd and are still getting sick is high. The number of people I know who gots CV and no vax is also high, but they are all fine and not transmitters and of course their immune system is working as intended.

Now that CV appears more mild, natural immunity is the way to go.
If we go the way of vax's, it will never end. (as we are seeing.)

Yeah, you're gonna need to source claims like this, or we're gonna flag it as misinformation.

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

Prior recovery absolutely bolsters enduring immunity. The mRNA vaccines are also safe and effective (and profitable!). An otherwise healthy 0-40 year old who recovered from covid probably gains little from the vaccines. Left horizon data is obviously limited since we don't have the normal 5-10 year history of enduring efficacy like we do for things like tetanus shots.

You can get an antibody test (most likely free if they have insurance that covers yearly physicals). The Roche test caps at 2,500 and was the same methodlogy use to obtain the EUA and later the full auth for the vaccines so it's a nice apples to apples comparison.

The mrna vaccines are highly effective at provoking autoimmune responses in almost all people (those with suppressed immunity are less likely), getting and recovering from covid is effective at provoking ai reponses in people. Both have endurance, with NA being comparable. Getting covid is bad. So if you haven't already had it, getting the vaccine makes sense for nearly everyone, but every person and their doctor should be the ultimate decision maker.

Corporate media and our disgusting self serving politicians who have been bought by special interests have no interest in discussing universal free anti-body testing because it would actually reveal *real* community immunity with quant measures. It would undermine pharma profits, and at least for the left mute their ability to continue their authoritarian roman orgy.

Oh yeah, Americans would really go in for testing.

[DOT]

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

You linked to two articles that have nothing to do with what was said

The claim made was "vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated people"

Those articles are comparing people who got vaccinated after being infected with those vaccinated without being infected. It has nothing to do with the claim being made that "the CDC says unvaccinated people aren't transmitting after infection" because neither deal with unvaccinated individuals. If the argument was about whether or not "natural immunity" plus vaccination was better than just vaccination, then it'd be on topic, and you'd be posting evidence for vaccination, not against it

So again, source the original claim, don't post things that are unrelated.

[HarthorneWingo]

There’s no way we’re going to be able to finish the season.

[Clyde_Style]

There’s no way we’re going to be able to finish the season.

If they don't have the will to set up the bubble then it will likely end.

A hiatus of two weeks so they can get their ducks in a row would certainly be understandable

I don't see any other way

[Kampuchea]

The season is NOT ending. They should just decrease testing.

[BKlutch]

The season is NOT ending. They should just decrease testing.

RIght, I heard that before. If we don't do testing, there are no new cases. Simple LOL

The largest concern is that the virus will continue mutating as long as it exists. Those who get sick have new variants created within them. It will be a perpetual game of trying to keep the vaccines caught up with the virus, with annual more frequent waves of infection.

At this time, it isn't known if future variants would be more or less lethal. We only know they would be more contagious.

[nedleeds]

Yeah, you're gonna need to source claims like this, or we're gonna flag it as misinformation.

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

Prior recovery absolutely bolsters enduring immunity. The mRNA vaccines are also safe and effective (and profitable!). An otherwise healthy 0-40 year old who recovered from covid probably gains little from the vaccines. Left horizon data is obviously limited since we don't have the normal 5-10 year history of enduring efficacy like we do for things like tetanus shots.

You can get an antibody test (most likely free if they have insurance that covers yearly physicals). The Roche test caps at 2,500 and was the same methodlogy use to obtain the EUA and later the full auth for the vaccines so it's a nice apples to apples comparison.

The mrna vaccines are highly effective at provoking autoimmune responses in almost all people (those with suppressed immunity are less likely), getting and recovering from covid is effective at provoking ai reponses in people. Both have endurance, with NA being comparable. Getting covid is bad. So if you haven't already had it, getting the vaccine makes sense for nearly everyone, but every person and their doctor should be the ultimate decision maker.

Corporate media and our disgusting self serving politicians who have been bought by special interests have no interest in discussing universal free anti-body testing because it would actually reveal *real* community immunity with quant measures. It would undermine pharma profits, and at least for the left mute their ability to continue their authoritarian roman orgy.

Oh yeah, Americans would really go in for testing.

I get it. But populations who statistically aren't going in for the vaccine (AAs, poor rural whites) because it's going into your body might at least be interested in knowing if they had covid already. All available with the same blood draw that you'd use to get your cholesterol, blood sugar and everything else you get with a yearly physical. If you are too young to be getting yearly physicals then you're likely in no danger of life threatening covid, so those people shouldn't be the priority anyway.

[nedleeds]

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

You linked to two articles that have nothing to do with what was said

The claim made was "vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated people"

Those articles are comparing people who got vaccinated after being infected with those vaccinated without being infected. It has nothing to do with the claim being made that "the CDC says unvaccinated people aren't transmitting after infection" because neither deal with unvaccinated individuals. If the argument was about whether or not "natural immunity" plus vaccination was better than just vaccination, then it'd be on topic, and you'd be posting evidence for vaccination, not against it

So again, source the original claim, don't post things that are unrelated.

Vaccinated has nothing to do with spread. Level of immunity (granted through a vaccine or recovery) and thus replicating virons and being symptomatic does. You can obtain anti-bodies the easy way (a successful vaccination AB response) or the potentially hard way (recovering from covid).

People with good (think 1000+ on the semiquant test) immunity aren't symptomatic and it's been proven that you are far less likely to spread without any symptoms. Your carrier length is also greatly reduced because people with a good level of immunity don't replicate the virus, hence no virons, hence none in your breath.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4576_article

"Conclusions
In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients. Presymptomatic transmission was more frequent than symptomatic transmission. The serial interval was short; very short intervals occurred.

The fact that we did not detect any laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 transmission from asymptomatic case-patients is in line with multiple studies"

[thebuzzardman]

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

Prior recovery absolutely bolsters enduring immunity. The mRNA vaccines are also safe and effective (and profitable!). An otherwise healthy 0-40 year old who recovered from covid probably gains little from the vaccines. Left horizon data is obviously limited since we don't have the normal 5-10 year history of enduring efficacy like we do for things like tetanus shots.

You can get an antibody test (most likely free if they have insurance that covers yearly physicals). The Roche test caps at 2,500 and was the same methodlogy use to obtain the EUA and later the full auth for the vaccines so it's a nice apples to apples comparison.

The mrna vaccines are highly effective at provoking autoimmune responses in almost all people (those with suppressed immunity are less likely), getting and recovering from covid is effective at provoking ai reponses in people. Both have endurance, with NA being comparable. Getting covid is bad. So if you haven't already had it, getting the vaccine makes sense for nearly everyone, but every person and their doctor should be the ultimate decision maker.

Corporate media and our disgusting self serving politicians who have been bought by special interests have no interest in discussing universal free anti-body testing because it would actually reveal *real* community immunity with quant measures. It would undermine pharma profits, and at least for the left mute their ability to continue their authoritarian roman orgy.

Oh yeah, Americans would really go in for testing.

I get it. But populations who statistically aren't going in for the vaccine (AAs, poor rural whites) because it's going into your body might at least be interested in knowing if they had covid already. All available with the same blood draw that you'd use to get your cholesterol, blood sugar and everything else you get with a yearly physical. If you are too young to be getting yearly physicals then you're likely in no danger of life threatening covid, so those people shouldn't be the priority anyway.

Lol. No, they wouldn't. They would go "muh freedoms" and not get tested. And contact tracing? No way.

[HarthorneWingo]

There’s no way we’re going to be able to finish the season.

If they don't have to will to set up the bubble then it will likely end.

A hiatus of two weeks so they can get their ducks in a row would certainly be understandable

I don't see any other way

Yep. They’re flirting with disaster right now. The testing protocols have to change to meet the increase in transmission.

EDIT: Oh well, looks like they’re going to dig their heels in instead. From WT:

The NBA and NBPA are continuing talks on increased roster sizes, as well as lack of cap/tax penalties when a player is signed via hardship.

[Clyde_Style]

There’s no way we’re going to be able to finish the season.

If they don't have to will to set up the bubble then it will likely end.

A hiatus of two weeks so they can get their ducks in a row would certainly be understandable

I don't see any other way

Yep. They’re flirting with disaster right now. The testing protocols have to change to meet the increase in transmission.

EDIT: Oh well, looks like they’re going to dig their heels in instead. From WT:

The NBA and NBPA are continuing talks on increased roster sizes, as well as lack of cap/tax penalties when a player is signed via hardship.

It's more jobs!

Silver is doing his part to create full employment

[Clyde_Style]

Lol. No, they wouldn't. They would go "muh freedoms" and not get tested. And contact tracing? No way.

Herding wild horses would be easier

[thebuzzardman]

Lol. No, they wouldn't. They would go "muh freedoms" and not get tested. And contact tracing? No way.

Herding wild horses would be easier

I love the argument that the crowd of people who won't take the vaccine because Bill Gates will track their movements, or wear a mask because they are suffocating, running around with Don't Tread On Me flags and thinking the simple regulation of interstate commerce is Stalinism, would just roll on up and let a government organization test their health status. And put it in a database. And believe that the database isn't run by Satan, to round up all the true believers etc etc etc.

[Clyde_Style]

Lol. No, they wouldn't. They would go "muh freedoms" and not get tested. And contact tracing? No way.

Herding wild horses would be easier

I love the argument that the crowd of people who won't take the vaccine because Bill Gates will track their movements, or wear a mask because they are suffocating, running around with Don't Tread On Me flags and thinking the simple regulation of interstate commerce is Stalinism, would just roll on up and let a government organization test their health status. And put it in a database. And believe that the database isn't run by Satan, to round up all the true believers etc etc etc.

I think you’re referring to the Cracker Database, right?

[Knick4Real]

Look at the NBA. Look at Broadway. Look at restaurants and shops. We're headed for another shutdown IMHO. It will be much, much shorter than before, but, it appears inevitable.

[BugginOut]

Read on Twitter

This is a wild stats. I think this just shows that the defense is more the problem than anything

[Knick4Real]

Read on Twitter

This is a wild stats. I think this just shows that the defense is more the problem than anything

Bruh.. How did this end up in the COVID thread???

[Thepaintismine]

It's mostly true.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/in-covid-19-vaccinated-people-those-with-prior-infection-likely-to-have-more-antibodies

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2785919

You linked to two articles that have nothing to do with what was said

The claim made was "vaccinated people spread the virus more than unvaccinated people"

Those articles are comparing people who got vaccinated after being infected with those vaccinated without being infected. It has nothing to do with the claim being made that "the CDC says unvaccinated people aren't transmitting after infection" because neither deal with unvaccinated individuals. If the argument was about whether or not "natural immunity" plus vaccination was better than just vaccination, then it'd be on topic, and you'd be posting evidence for vaccination, not against it

So again, source the original claim, don't post things that are unrelated.

Nedleeds already mentioned some other things but there is also this, studies linked in article:
https://covidcarealliance.com/cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally-immune-without-proof-they-transmit-the-virus/
After formal demand, the CDC concedes it does not have proof of a single instance of a naturally immune individual spreading the virus. https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/IR0552-CDC-Reinfection-and-Transmission_FINAL-5.pdf

4 studies mentioned showing transmission of CV via vaccinated who were infected (in the article).

[Thepaintismine]

There’s no way we’re going to be able to finish the season.

At dis point they might as well allow players who test positive to play IF dey are asymptomatic and test negative twice.
Getting vaccinated clearly is not stopping the spread as the NBA is 99% vaccinated. So, dey might as well work on a plan B.

This just seems never ending. But again, this Omicron variant might be a Godsend as it is really spreading quick and so far (God willing), pretty weak - YO!

Let's get back to life Ya'll!

[Clyde_Style]

Cyrus Vance Jr. retires as Manhattan DA at the end of the month. If he wants to take credit for the indictment we will see Trump’s indictment for fraud by NYC in the next ten days. The indictment is coming either way, but because of this it might be imminent.