Susan wrote:Los_29 wrote:Susan wrote:Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.
That's the thing, he doesn't. Diaz has a great chin, throws with high volume but has poor defense and has no pop especially at the weight he will be fighting Paul at. His power at 190 will be laughable. Diaz could get away with fighting that style in MMA against guys who are LW's and WW's but Paul is significantly bigger.
Paul can put Diaz's lights out. It pains me to say that but it could be a very rough night for Diaz and even Jorge.
Going to preface this - I'm by no means a striking expert so I could absolutely be wrong but they've spent 15+ years boxing and are tried and true against high level competitors.
-Woodley was an elite athlete who always had people afraid of his takedowns and had explosive power to put out anybody's lights - he never straight up boxed. So when you put him out there, with diminished explosiveness and no threat of a takedown, his lack of technical ability gets exposed
-Diaz Bros have pretty much trained the opposite way from what I can gather. They straight up boxed and straight up did BJJ with very little inbetween game and elite cardio. While unorthodox, they have enough scalps on their wall that their combo of technique and cardio has to be something that's respected and considering how they did it, something that could transfer over to straight boxing
Of course he'd have to make technical adjustments to account for the size difference and different gloves, but he's adept enough to do so because he's got the hours in the ring with legit dudes.
In this instance, the power does not matter - it's the pace. You get dragged out too far outside of your comfort zone and you're overwhelmed cardiovascularly - you'll find a way out of the fight.
Jorge would just whoop that ass.
I agree with a lot of what you said there. But while they do have far better boxing acumen than Tyron they certainly didn't fight better competition than Tyron has. The matter in which they won their fights though was drastically different as Diaz won by constantly walking his opponent down, throwing high volume and just eventually breaking his opponent down. It's very hard to beat Diaz on the feet in a 5 round MMA fight. However, it's only hard for fighters who are 155-170lbs who can't get Diaz to the ground. If Diaz can take Paul's punches, he can win. But I don't think he'll be able to.
Contrary to popular belief, Tyron did actually box. He went to Wild Card Gym and got trained by Eric Brown more than a decade ago. Not sure how consistently he went but I know he did at least train with him on and off for awhile. But given that he was still competing in MMA, I'm sure a lot of what he was doing was built around other aspects of MMA. Like you said, Woodley always had that wrestling threat and he was able to land that overhand on fighters who were constantly worried about that takedown. In straight boxing, Woodley's overhand can be seen from a mile away that even a guy like Jake Paul could see it coming. Woodley didn't have pop at 190 and he didn't have the boxing ability to outbox Paul for 8 rounds. Low volume, no variety in his punches and undersized was a great stylistic matchup for Paul lol.
I would absolutely favour Diaz against Paul if he was better defensively. But he's not, he gets beat up in every fight he's in. He's very easy to hit and has been relying on his chin and volume his entire career. Against someone who walks around at 215lbs that is usually a recipe for disaster. Jake Paul absolutely has the ability to KO Diaz and I never thought I'd say that.
And with Masvidal, he doesn't have the power to get Paul out of there. He certainly has better hands than Tyron but having good hands doesn't mean you're a good boxer. Masvidal is another guy that fought at LW and Paul would have a significant size advantage.