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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1 

Post#1141 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:47 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I agree with this and I’d say they need to go all in. The league is wide open, who knows what random super team could be built this summer and ruin the league (like the Nets if Kyrie wasn’t a weirdo lol). Plus you don’t want to gamble with Lowry and Jimmy getting older. When Jimmy plays, it’s at an MVP level.


The league "may" be wide open, Kyrie is coming back at some point, just KD by himself was an inch or 2 from beating the eventual champs and are currently 1st place in the East by a few games. Allowing Brooklyn to get Harden last year was a huge hit to Miami's future chances at making the finals in the next few years, it wasn't just about Miami acquiring Harden, it was stopping Harden from teaming up with KD and Kyrie.

If Miami can put Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, Tucker and Bam as it's starting/closing 5, that's enough defense to give Brooklyn or anyone fits, if you have Robinson in there, there's always a mismatch and a hole in your team defense that you can exploit. You don't want to be climbing out a hole early on vs a team like Brooklyn where they have multiple players who can carry the team offensively by themselves.


For sure, I’m definitely on the “if Brooklyn has their big 3 the league is pointless” boat but it looks like Kyrie will just be a part time player until the mandates are lifted or he gets vaccinated? They didn’t want to bring him back but I guess they had no choice. He may still end up being traded.

Miami has 3 options imo.

1. Sit on their hands and do nothing and hope finally getting healthy/Duncan finding his shot are enough.

2. Trade Duncan, a young guy, and picks for very good role player.

3. Trade Duncan, picks, and Herro for a star to form a big 4 (5 depending on what Oladipo we get). Based on your stats you post, Herro seems to be producing empty numbers. We’re just not a good team when he’s on the court. Idk if the team will see this and decide to go all in right now to win or if they’ll keep him and build around him and Bam for the future, hoping he starts to impact the team positively as he gets older/better. Gotta keep in mind he’s due for a big extension soon. Do we want to give him that or do we want to send him to a rebuilding team looking to get promising young players/picks for their star?

Our hands are tied until Jan. 15th when Duncan is eligible to be traded and the deadline is about 4 weeks after that on Feb. 10th. We may move quick if we decide to make moves.
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Post#1142 » by _GH0ST_ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:50 pm

Do we have the right to leave from Garrett's contract? His offense is well below the nba level. We have to give his contract to Micah Potter.
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Post#1143 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:00 pm

_GH0ST_ wrote:Do we have the right to leave from Garrett's contract? His offense is well below the nba level. We have to give his contract to Micah Potter.

He's a developmental player, he has size, athletic ability and the want to play defense where you want to take a chance on a guy like that, just keep him working on his 3 ball and if he gets to being even average from the 3 ball, that's a rotation player on a good team.

What I'm expecting is that C.Martin will be converted to a vet minimum once Miami is far enough in the season where they'll still be under the tax if they make no moves. Miami has until Jan 15th (I believe) to add another 2-way contract (you can only have 2) if C.Martin is converted. The reason you convert Martin is because 2-ways can't play in the playoffs (which they were allowed to do last year).
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Post#1144 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:11 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:I agree with this and I’d say they need to go all in. The league is wide open, who knows what random super team could be built this summer and ruin the league (like the Nets if Kyrie wasn’t a weirdo lol). Plus you don’t want to gamble with Lowry and Jimmy getting older. When Jimmy plays, it’s at an MVP level.


The league "may" be wide open, Kyrie is coming back at some point, just KD by himself was an inch or 2 from beating the eventual champs and are currently 1st place in the East by a few games. Allowing Brooklyn to get Harden last year was a huge hit to Miami's future chances at making the finals in the next few years, it wasn't just about Miami acquiring Harden, it was stopping Harden from teaming up with KD and Kyrie.

If Miami can put Lowry, Oladipo, Butler, Tucker and Bam as it's starting/closing 5, that's enough defense to give Brooklyn or anyone fits, if you have Robinson in there, there's always a mismatch and a hole in your team defense that you can exploit. You don't want to be climbing out a hole early on vs a team like Brooklyn where they have multiple players who can carry the team offensively by themselves.


For sure, I’m definitely on the “if Brooklyn has their big 3 the league is pointless” boat but it looks like Kyrie will just be a part time player until the mandates are lifted or he gets vaccinated? They didn’t want to bring him back but I guess they had no choice. He may still end up being traded.

Miami has 3 options imo.

1. Sit on their hands and do nothing and hope finally getting healthy/Duncan finding his shot are enough.

2. Trade Duncan, a young guy, and picks for very good role player.

3. Trade Duncan, picks, and Herro for a star to form a big 4 (5 depending on what Oladipo we get). Based on your stats you post, Herro seems to be producing empty numbers. We’re just not a good team when he’s on the court. Idk if the team will see this and decide to go all in right now to win or if they’ll keep him and build around him and Bam for the future, hoping he starts to impact the team positively as he gets older/better. Gotta keep in mind he’s due for a big extension soon. Do we want to give him that or do we want to send him to a rebuilding team looking to get promising young players/picks for their star?

Our hands are tied until Jan. 15th when Duncan is eligible to be traded and the deadline is about 4 weeks after that on Feb. 10th. We may move quick if we decide to make moves.


Option 2 could happen during the season or after the season, I think the FO is willing to wait and see what exactly they have and how everyone fits together, especially Oladipo, he could be damaged goods or be fixed but Miami's FO is watching him and talking to their medical staff to not be surprised and be prepared to make a move or not.
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Post#1145 » by _GH0ST_ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:43 pm

AirP. wrote:
_GH0ST_ wrote:Do we have the right to leave from Garrett's contract? His offense is well below the nba level. We have to give his contract to Micah Potter.

He's a developmental player, he has size, athletic ability and the want to play defense where you want to take a chance on a guy like that, just keep him working on his 3 ball and if he gets to being even average from the 3 ball, that's a rotation player on a good team.

What I'm expecting is that C.Martin will be converted to a vet minimum once Miami is far enough in the season where they'll still be under the tax if they make no moves. Miami has until Jan 15th (I believe) to add another 2-way contract (you can only have 2) if C.Martin is converted. The reason you convert Martin is because 2-ways can't play in the playoffs (which they were allowed to do last year).


Garrett is not a natural scorer. Just like Okpala. Okpala has been trying to develop three-pointers and offense for years, but the point he has come to is known. You can't get some features later. He doesn't look any different in Garrett.

Besides, we don't need any more defensive guards. What we need is the bucket. Isaiah Thomas would have been more helpful to us than Garrett.
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Post#1146 » by heatwillbeback » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:48 pm

Garrett is a prospect. He is far from ready now.

He was never supposed to be ready and there are lots of free agents who don’t fit the development label who would do a hell of a lot better in games right now.
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Post#1147 » by heatwillbeback » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:49 pm

With Caleb out with covid we have a hardship waiver. I hope we use it to get somebody who could help short term.
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Post#1148 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:49 pm

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AirP. wrote:
_GH0ST_ wrote:Do we have the right to leave from Garrett's contract? His offense is well below the nba level. We have to give his contract to Micah Potter.

He's a developmental player, he has size, athletic ability and the want to play defense where you want to take a chance on a guy like that, just keep him working on his 3 ball and if he gets to being even average from the 3 ball, that's a rotation player on a good team.

What I'm expecting is that C.Martin will be converted to a vet minimum once Miami is far enough in the season where they'll still be under the tax if they make no moves. Miami has until Jan 15th (I believe) to add another 2-way contract (you can only have 2) if C.Martin is converted. The reason you convert Martin is because 2-ways can't play in the playoffs (which they were allowed to do last year).


Garrett is not a natural scorer. Just like Okpala. Okpala has been trying to develop three-pointers and offense for years, but the point he has come to is known. You can't get some features later. He doesn't look any different in Garrett.

Besides, we don't need any more defensive guards. What we need is the bucket. Isaiah Thomas would have been more helpful to us than Garrett.

KZ has 2 1/2 years of being a pro, Garrett less then 1. Also, I'm not so sure Garrett will be a guard, he may end up a wing but could defend 4 positions on the court. Even with Garrett having way less experience, he looks better on offense then KZ currently does. Potter will probably be on a 2 way or multiple 10-day contracts with Miami this year, I actually wanted him on a 2-way this last summer but understand why Miami put Martin on a 2 way instead of just signing him for a vet minimum.

IT isn't going to be the help Miami needs nor would he make the playoff rotation, just let the young guys take their lumps till the vets get back and hopefully Spoelstra will build some trust in one or 2 fringe rotation players to utilize them enough to allow Miami to make a consolidation trade this season or this summer.
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Post#1149 » by 3ballbomber » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:49 pm

We just can't catch a break. Will the healthiest not the best team win the title this yr?
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Post#1150 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:52 pm

3ballbomber wrote:We just can't catch a break. Will the healthiest not the best team win the title this yr?
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I’m just relieved to see it’s an ankle injury. Everyone was saying knee last night.
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Post#1151 » by 3ballbomber » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:01 am

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3ballbomber wrote:We just can't catch a break. Will the healthiest not the best team win the title this yr?
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I’m just relieved to see it’s an ankle injury. Everyone was saying knee last night.

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Post#1152 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:06 am

And I also still love how Markieff is STILL out and no one is on Jokics ass for it because he’s the MVP and because, dare I say it………

Like we don’t even have an update on him, he’s just declared out days in advance of every game.
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Post#1153 » by al bondiga » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:10 am

I have a feeling NBA is going nowhere this season again because covid ... so maybe this is a right time for some injuries... I don't like the way we are playing either, even if we had no injuries... so anotherbubble my do the Heat some good... the thing is, for the fans of the N B A and for the world economy it sucks...**** the gov. of China
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Post#1154 » by carnageta » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:52 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:And I also still love how Markieff is STILL out and no one is on Jokics ass for it because he’s the MVP and because, dare I say it………

Like we don’t even have an update on him, he’s just declared out days in advance of every game.



Miami is always so secretive when it comes to injuries lol.

People been saying Bam is only out 4-6 weeks. I'm telling ya'll right now we won't see Bam dress up again until March.
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Post#1155 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:56 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:And I also still love how Markieff is STILL out and no one is on Jokics ass for it because he’s the MVP and because, dare I say it………

Like we don’t even have an update on him, he’s just declared out days in advance of every game.



Miami is always so secretive when it comes to injuries lol.

People been saying Bam is only out 4-6 weeks. I'm telling ya'll right now we won't see Bam dress up again until March.


Oh trust me, when I saw 4-6 weeks I instantly thought “so probably 3 months” lmao!!!
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Post#1156 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 21, 2021 12:56 am

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Post#1157 » by harlem_ball » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:08 am

3ballbomber wrote:We just can't catch a break. Will the healthiest not the best team win the title this yr?
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Heat have caught plenty of breaks. :banghead:
We've been lucky Tuckers been playing like a prime 29 year old. This was not sustainable and bound to happen. :noway:
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Post#1158 » by _GH0ST_ » Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:55 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:And I also still love how Markieff is STILL out and no one is on Jokics ass for it because he’s the MVP and because, dare I say it………

Like we don’t even have an update on him, he’s just declared out days in advance of every game.



Miami is always so secretive when it comes to injuries lol.

People been saying Bam is only out 4-6 weeks. I'm telling ya'll right now we won't see Bam dress up again until March.


Oh trust me, when I saw 4-6 weeks I instantly thought “so probably 3 months” lmao!!!

When I asked my doctor friend about this situation, he told me that it was not possible to recover before 3 months.
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Post#1159 » by twix2500 » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:41 pm

Heat are 5-5 since his injury. Keep treading water until he returns.

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Post#1160 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:48 pm

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carnageta wrote:

Miami is always so secretive when it comes to injuries lol.

People been saying Bam is only out 4-6 weeks. I'm telling ya'll right now we won't see Bam dress up again until March.


Oh trust me, when I saw 4-6 weeks I instantly thought “so probably 3 months” lmao!!!

When I asked my doctor friend about this situation, he told me that it was not possible to recover before 3 months.


From what we’ve seen with CP3 and Smart the timetable Bam has seems to be right, at least when it comes to the nba. Miami might side with your doctor though lol
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