2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

[reanimator]

Cade's issues are still there though in his TOs, it's the one glaring hole in his game. He'll be a fine shooter, rebounder, passer and defender, but his TO issue will limit his impact until he gets that straightened out.

IMO Its a bit too early to say it's something inherent with Cade's game rather than the role he is in being a lot to handle for a rookie. If in year 2 this persist then absolutely hammer him.

This isn't a new thing though, he's been turnover prone since college so the criticism is absolutely fair.



It's a flaw in his game right now and he'll need to address it in the offseason.

Yeah I'm aware though not convinced by the Ok St argument given the sample size and supporting cast. I guess we will see if its the talent around him or a function of his game soon.

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Not sure where they get their stats. Plus rookie standings have never been based on the team's record.

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Not sure what you're tryna get at. But not surprised to see you tryna discredit Barnes (once again). You're probably one of the biggest Barnes haters on this forum. It's all good though, you do you.

I think it's more that if team success makes up a large part of that metric, then that puts guys like Giddey, Wagner and Cade a long way back already from some other rookies.

[srhcan]

He looked good last night. Incredible explosiveness on his first step. His defense was pretty bad but he has a great mentor in Draymond. Could be a really interesting player as an oversized 2 tbh.

Have you watched much JK? His defense is probably the strongest pillar of his game right now. Great instincts to go along with elite physical tools, and he can legitimately handle 1-5.

He's definitely a forward who is getting spot minutes as the 5 in the Warriors system, since the 4/5 is so fluid for them. The scoring, while sometimes flashy, has a long way to go. But the tools are there, he just needs more game experience.

Kuminga seriously needs to improve his overall shooting (he's good out to 10 feet so there's hope), rebounding and passing (it's not pretty here).

Great at getting to the rack but that's the only area that stands out.

His defense is probably fine for the role he plays on the team.

Did you not watch his last game against Raptors? Kuminga was very good on offense.
He is explosive but there is a grace to it like he is holding himself back. Getting to the rim he is better than any other rookie I have seen so far. And then his shooting stroke looks effortless. I think he will be huge problem in couple of years.

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Not sure where they get their stats. Plus rookie standings have never been based on the team's record.

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Mobley will probably always have the biggest impact because of his defense, but in the last 10 games Barnes has probably been the best rookie stat wise.

Barnes last 10 games

17.1 PPG on

6.5-12.8------FG.50.07%
1.6-4.0-------3P 40%
2.5-3.4-------FT 73%

8 REB//1.7 BLK/1.2 STL/3.6 AST/1.4 TO ( a 2.5/1 ratio)

[Heej]

Have you watched much JK? His defense is probably the strongest pillar of his game right now. Great instincts to go along with elite physical tools, and he can legitimately handle 1-5.

He's definitely a forward who is getting spot minutes as the 5 in the Warriors system, since the 4/5 is so fluid for them. The scoring, while sometimes flashy, has a long way to go. But the tools are there, he just needs more game experience.

Kuminga seriously needs to improve his overall shooting (he's good out to 10 feet so there's hope), rebounding and passing (it's not pretty here).

Great at getting to the rack but that's the only area that stands out.

His defense is probably fine for the role he plays on the team.

Did you not watch his last game against Raptors? Kuminga was very good on offense.
He is explosive but there is a grace to it like he is holding himself back. Getting to the rim he is better than any other rookie I have seen so far. And then his shooting stroke looks effortless. I think he will be huge problem in couple of years.

Yea Kumingas smoothness and fluidity for his size along with that explosiveness is a rare amalgamation of athletic traits. Kuminga's gonna be the young dude the Warriors were hoping James Wiseman could've become for them

[Vampirate]

Have you watched much JK? His defense is probably the strongest pillar of his game right now. Great instincts to go along with elite physical tools, and he can legitimately handle 1-5.

He's definitely a forward who is getting spot minutes as the 5 in the Warriors system, since the 4/5 is so fluid for them. The scoring, while sometimes flashy, has a long way to go. But the tools are there, he just needs more game experience.

Kuminga seriously needs to improve his overall shooting (he's good out to 10 feet so there's hope), rebounding and passing (it's not pretty here).

Great at getting to the rack but that's the only area that stands out.

His defense is probably fine for the role he plays on the team.

Did you not watch his last game against Raptors? Kuminga was very good on offense.
He is explosive but there is a grace to it like he is holding himself back. Getting to the rim he is better than any other rookie I have seen so far. And then his shooting stroke looks effortless. I think he will be huge problem in couple of years.

Were talking about the overall season here not a single game sample size.

Kuminga is shooting 26.1% from three and 60.9% from the free point line, that has got to get better.

In a season where he plays with Steph Curry his shooting has not been good beyond 10 feet. It's something to work on in the offseason.

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Yeeeeet. This boy needs more minutes man. I just don't understand how Houston can spoon feed green all these minutes he couldn't handle and didn't deserve, but consistently ignoring Sengun.

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Hopefully, Suggs comes back soon.

Agreed. But he need to play better, period.

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It's quite unfounded that his not on the court more.

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Yeeeeet. This boy needs more minutes man. I just don't understand how Houston can spoon feed green all these minutes he couldn't handle and didn't deserve, but consistently ignoring Sengun.

They're obviously showcasing the vets for a trade.

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Surprisingly, Franz has more dunks than some of the other young players.

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6’10 is not considered a big anymore?

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6’10 is not considered a big anymore?

Do you consider 6'11" Durant or 6'9" Paul George a big? Smalls play PG, SG, or PF.

The position you play and guard determines whether you're a big.

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I was really wrong about him.

I really didn't think his game would transfer, but kid has a high skill level combined with an amazing motor. He also has some impressive timing which makes up for his lack of size and length.

Sometimes we get so enamored with wingspan, and athleticism, we forget timing, IQ, and skill is equally as important. Domantas Sabonis was another guy who was overlooked his draft year for similar reasons, and he's been an allstar the last 2 seasons.

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6’10 is not considered a big anymore?

Do you consider 6'11" Durant or 6'9" Paul George a big? Smalls play PG, SG, or PF.

The position you play and guard determines whether you're a big.

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That’s fair, I just consider anyone 6’9 or above a big man, but maybe I’m just old school.

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When every other rookie has a ok game, it's spruiked in here. Giddy has a great game and not a peep.

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[basketballRob]

6’10 is not considered a big anymore?

Do you consider 6'11" Durant or 6'9" Paul George a big? Smalls play PG, SG, or PF.

The position you play and guard determines whether you're a big.

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That’s fair, I just consider anyone 6’9 or above a big man, but maybe I’m just old school.

Franz could play guard if that's the way they chose to develop him. He's started at PG the last two games.

It's always been this way. 6'9" Larry Bird wasn't a big, he was a SF. 6'9" Ben Wallace was a center.

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When every other rookie has a ok game, it's spruiked in here. Giddy has a great game and not a peep.

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It’s up to OKC fans to make these peeps, he’s been great for my fantasy team though.