Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[will]

If Antoine Walker ever played with discipline, Scottie Barnes is it. Just does it all.

[PhilBlackson]

If Antoine Walker ever played with discipline, Scottie Barnes is it. Just does it all.

Lol idk what Antoine Walker has to do with anything because he certainly was not like Scottie. Incredibly random.

[OakleyDokely]

Antoine Walker took so many 3s because there were no 4s.

Those employee #8 commercials were gold.

[HiJiNX]

I been saying it since summer league…MVP potential

[Tha Cynic]

The best comparables for Barnes are top 50 players of all time, but of course we don't want to go there yet lol.

You can definitely see that he watched some Magic and modelled some of his game after him.

There just aren't too many players who can just impact the game and control the game from basically every angle like Barnes is showing he can at a young age.

[PhilBlackson]

I'm honestly curious to see what the Raptors big board looked like heading into the draft. Would anyone be surprised if it was:
1. Evan Mobley
2. Scottie Barnes
3. Cade Cunningham
4. Josh Giddey
5. Franz Wagner
6. Jonathan Kuminga
7. Jalen Green
8. Jalen Suggs

We'll likely never know, but I'm always curious.

Just based on what news had come out is that we were trying hard to trade up with either HOU or CLE to get Mobley (multiple rumors floated during the draft about it), obviously fell in love with Barnes (Ford and multiple others were leaking that & most were upset about it lol) and we also took very close looks at both Giddey (Masai & Co was seen scouting him on more than one occasion internationally) and Kuminga (we had him in multiple times, Masai was literally front row & center at his public workouts as well). There was nothing about Wagner or either Jalens other than Suggs completely sh*t the bed. But one name being left out that we did bring in a few times too was Keon Johnson....from everything that came out it seemed more like:

Mobley
Barnes
Giddey
Kuminga
Johnson

Didn't seem like Cade was even really in discussion because if they were 1st overall, I truly believe they still would've taken Mobley. The bball gods blessed us again for paying a "Northern Price"/tank lol...as aside people really need to stop claiming our FO never leaks because we leaked more than a dog with a bad bladder all over the place and it's certainly not the first time rumors got out before we've made moves...

[CoinTossRoss31]

Remember when we were hearing rumors that Cleveland was giving Barnes a look with pick #3. I wonder if they also had Mobley/Barnes on top of their draft board

[OakleyDokely]

I believe Masai takes Mobley #1 if had the #1 pick. There were so many rumors that the Raps were working hard to move up to take him. He'd fill a big need, he's the type of prospect they typically target and he was an analytical darling.

At pick #2 it gets interesting. It''s between Cade/Barnes. There weren't many rumours about Cade because the Pistons decided pretty early that he was was the pick.

My best guess is

1. Mobley
2/3 Cade/Barnes
4/5/6/7 Green/Suggs/Giddey/Wagner

[tecumseh18]

Remember when we were hearing rumors that Cleveland was giving Barnes a look with pick #3. I wonder if they also had Mobley/Barnes on top of their draft board

Different front office, but was Dion Waiters the last college bench player taken by Cleveland so high in the draft? It would be hard to sell that to the fans again. lol

This was a damn good draft, and Masai & Co. didn't screw it up by picking the Darko of it (if there is one). Even Suggs is a good defender and I'm sure will be a great pro. Green and Kuminga will figure out other aspects of the game. We can see that the G-League Ignite program is not great for development, so they're starting behind the eight-ball.

[lolwut]

The best comparables for Barnes are top 50 players of all time, but of course we don't want to go there yet lol.

You can definitely see that he watched some Magic and modelled some of his game after him.

There just aren't too many players who can just impact the game and control the game from basically every angle like Barnes is showing he can at a young age.

I've said this before - the closest comparison for Barnes purely from a playing style point of view is probably Lebron.

[Tha Cynic]

The best comparables for Barnes are top 50 players of all time, but of course we don't want to go there yet lol.

You can definitely see that he watched some Magic and modelled some of his game after him.

There just aren't too many players who can just impact the game and control the game from basically every angle like Barnes is showing he can at a young age.

I've said this before - the closest comparison for Barnes purely from a playing style point of view is probably Lebron.

That's who I was thinking about for easiest comparable. One big difference is of course the athleticism, but Barnes makes you for it with his more refined offensive game at the younger age.

[vulture]

From ESPN Insider:

Rookie of the Year
With a plethora of legitimate contenders, this season's race is compelling. Right now, Detroit Pistons point guard Cade Cunningham is the front runner, in my opinion, his slow start to the season is in the past. In his past 10 games, he has averaged 19.5 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.1 APG, 1.6 SPG and 1 BPG with a healthy USG of 26.2. Cunningham has had five double-doubles this season, and his 39% field goal percentage has been his biggest opportunity. During the past five seasons, a guard has won the ROY award, with Karl-Anthony Towns being the last center to do so in 2015-16.

The Cleveland Cavaliers' Evan Mobley (+130) has been equally impressive this season, becoming the second rookie in Cavaliers history to score 300 or more points and block 40 or more shots in 22 career games. In addition, Mobley became the first rookie to record five blocks in a game since LeBron James in 2002-2003. However, he missed several games because of an elbow injury. Mobley's averages are 14 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.0 BPG, 1.0 SPG, and 33 MPG. His USG is only 18.3%.

Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes has made the case that he deserves the award. In 12 consecutive games, he has scored 10 or more points while averaging 8.0 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, and 1.7 BPG. Barnes' USG currently stands at 19.4%. He'll also have to contend with the Raptors' full rotation now that OG Anunoby and Precious Achiuwa have returned. Barnes should remain an active member of Toronto's backcourt.

[Tha Cynic]

From ESPN Insider:

Rookie of the Year
With a plethora of legitimate contenders, this season's race is compelling. Right now, Detroit Pistons point guard Cade Cunningham is the front runner, in my opinion, his slow start to the season is in the past. In his past 10 games, he has averaged 19.5 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.1 APG, 1.6 SPG and 1 BPG with a healthy USG of 26.2. Cunningham has had five double-doubles this season, and his 39% field goal percentage has been his biggest opportunity. During the past five seasons, a guard has won the ROY award, with Karl-Anthony Towns being the last center to do so in 2015-16.

The Cleveland Cavaliers' Evan Mobley (+130) has been equally impressive this season, becoming the second rookie in Cavaliers history to score 300 or more points and block 40 or more shots in 22 career games. In addition, Mobley became the first rookie to record five blocks in a game since LeBron James in 2002-2003. However, he missed several games because of an elbow injury. Mobley's averages are 14 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.0 BPG, 1.0 SPG, and 33 MPG. His USG is only 18.3%.

Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes has made the case that he deserves the award. In 12 consecutive games, he has scored 10 or more points while averaging 8.0 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, and 1.7 BPG. Barnes' USG currently stands at 19.4%. He'll also have to contend with the Raptors' full rotation now that OG Anunoby and Precious Achiuwa have returned. Barnes should remain an active member of Toronto's backcourt.

Whoever wrote this has not watched Mobley or Barnes play. You can see these comments are based off generic NBA stats that a teenager would look at.

[vulture]

From ESPN Insider:

Rookie of the Year
With a plethora of legitimate contenders, this season's race is compelling. Right now, Detroit Pistons point guard Cade Cunningham is the front runner, in my opinion, his slow start to the season is in the past. In his past 10 games, he has averaged 19.5 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.1 APG, 1.6 SPG and 1 BPG with a healthy USG of 26.2. Cunningham has had five double-doubles this season, and his 39% field goal percentage has been his biggest opportunity. During the past five seasons, a guard has won the ROY award, with Karl-Anthony Towns being the last center to do so in 2015-16.

The Cleveland Cavaliers' Evan Mobley (+130) has been equally impressive this season, becoming the second rookie in Cavaliers history to score 300 or more points and block 40 or more shots in 22 career games. In addition, Mobley became the first rookie to record five blocks in a game since LeBron James in 2002-2003. However, he missed several games because of an elbow injury. Mobley's averages are 14 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.0 BPG, 1.0 SPG, and 33 MPG. His USG is only 18.3%.

Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes has made the case that he deserves the award. In 12 consecutive games, he has scored 10 or more points while averaging 8.0 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, and 1.7 BPG. Barnes' USG currently stands at 19.4%. He'll also have to contend with the Raptors' full rotation now that OG Anunoby and Precious Achiuwa have returned. Barnes should remain an active member of Toronto's backcourt.

Whoever wrote this has not watched Mobley or Barnes play. You can see these comments are based off generic NBA stats that a teenager would look at.

It was written by Eric Moody. he is their betting and fantasy guy who really only looks at the numbers.

[PhilBlackson]

The best comparables for Barnes are top 50 players of all time, but of course we don't want to go there yet lol.

You can definitely see that he watched some Magic and modelled some of his game after him.

There just aren't too many players who can just impact the game and control the game from basically every angle like Barnes is showing he can at a young age.

I've said this before - the closest comparison for Barnes purely from a playing style point of view is probably Lebron.

That's who I was thinking about for easiest comparable. One big difference is of course the athleticism, but Barnes makes you for it with his more refined offensive game at the younger age.

Of course Scottie is his own player, it's very hard to find another player that his combination of size, height & skill...

I think his game resembles several players (what's incredibly exciting is every single one are truly all time great players) but if I'm forced to try and pick a couple it's GRANT HILL with a touch of Magic passing & post game (but in a Pippen/Magic hybrid body lol). He DOESN'T have the kinda GUARD like body coordination or bounce of Grant but the WAY he gets buckets but also a great passer. His passing isn't quite as savant like or not quite as much a master of redirection as Magic's but that's a helluva combination of players to be like even if you were only 90% of them, into one player is a monster. I think that's his closest style at the height of his potential.

I know a loooot of people are going to be way too young to remember or even know how good Grant Hill was but he was an absolute beast and as many analysts have said he was kinda the "LeBron before LeBron". People genuinely believed Grant Hill was next, not Kobe and they didn't look wrong BEFORE he got injured.

But actually watch how & where Hill got his bucks, it resembles Scottie's more than LBJ. Obviously none of us are saying he is that or will be, right now it's a thousand percent potential but how he keeps shocking us week after week....it's exciting af because you are actually seeing that potential play out on court.

[OakleyDokely]

From ESPN Insider:

Rookie of the Year
With a plethora of legitimate contenders, this season's race is compelling. Right now, Detroit Pistons point guard Cade Cunningham is the front runner, in my opinion, his slow start to the season is in the past. In his past 10 games, he has averaged 19.5 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 5.1 APG, 1.6 SPG and 1 BPG with a healthy USG of 26.2. Cunningham has had five double-doubles this season, and his 39% field goal percentage has been his biggest opportunity. During the past five seasons, a guard has won the ROY award, with Karl-Anthony Towns being the last center to do so in 2015-16.

The Cleveland Cavaliers' Evan Mobley (+130) has been equally impressive this season, becoming the second rookie in Cavaliers history to score 300 or more points and block 40 or more shots in 22 career games. In addition, Mobley became the first rookie to record five blocks in a game since LeBron James in 2002-2003. However, he missed several games because of an elbow injury. Mobley's averages are 14 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.0 BPG, 1.0 SPG, and 33 MPG. His USG is only 18.3%.

Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes has made the case that he deserves the award. In 12 consecutive games, he has scored 10 or more points while averaging 8.0 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, and 1.7 BPG. Barnes' USG currently stands at 19.4%. He'll also have to contend with the Raptors' full rotation now that OG Anunoby and Precious Achiuwa have returned. Barnes should remain an active member of Toronto's backcourt.

Whoever wrote this has not watched Mobley or Barnes play. You can see these comments are based off generic NBA stats that a teenager would look at.

Cade could very well chuck his way to this award, even with a FG% under 40. DET will let him shoot any shot he wants. Mobley/Barnes are playing on teams trying to win.

Most voters only really look at PPG/REB/AST for ROY.

That's why this award doesn't really matter big picture.

[Madhouse]

The best comparables for Barnes are top 50 players of all time, but of course we don't want to go there yet lol.

You can definitely see that he watched some Magic and modelled some of his game after him.

There just aren't too many players who can just impact the game and control the game from basically every angle like Barnes is showing he can at a young age.

I've said this before - the closest comparison for Barnes purely from a playing style point of view is probably Lebron.

That's who I was thinking about for easiest comparable. One big difference is of course the athleticism, but Barnes makes you for it with his more refined offensive game at the younger age.

Less athletic Lebron or better passing Kawhi. Or better scoring Pippen.

[alienchild]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-rankings-scottie-barnes-franz-wagner-have-big-weeks-herb-jones-impresses-on-defense/

[Tha Cynic]

I've said this before - the closest comparison for Barnes purely from a playing style point of view is probably Lebron.

That's who I was thinking about for easiest comparable. One big difference is of course the athleticism, but Barnes makes you for it with his more refined offensive game at the younger age.

Less athletic Lebron or better passing Kawhi. Or better scoring Pippen.

PhilBlackson above probably had the best comparison. Barnes is a combination of a bunch of players because he really does seem to be able to do it all and the direct comparisons are probably LeBron, Grant Hill, Pippen and Magic. He really has a combination of skills or mindset of all of them. He's kind of like the Kevin Durant of rookies - a literal cheat code where anything that was a weakness seems to just disappear or be compensated for by something else. And we're talking strictly from style of game here.

Of course a lot of this is because he plays on a very good team so the defense isn't focused on him yet, but it's exciting to see how he's going to kill teams in a couple of years. The biggest thing about Barnes is his ludicrous basketball IQ. This guy will take advantage of every advantage so you don't see too many of his weaknesses like you would with most rookies.

[Madhouse]

That's who I was thinking about for easiest comparable. One big difference is of course the athleticism, but Barnes makes you for it with his more refined offensive game at the younger age.

Less athletic Lebron or better passing Kawhi. Or better scoring Pippen.

PhilBlacksom above probably had the best comparison. Barnes is a combination of a bunch of players because he really does seem to be able to do it all. He's kind of like the Kevin Durant of rookies - a literal cheat code where anything that was a weakness seems to just disappear or be compensated for by something else.

Of course a lot of this is because he plays on a very good team so the defense isn't focused on him yet, but it's exciting to see how he's going to kill teams in a couple of years, or even next season.

He can do it all, just a matter of defining those skills and getting more experience.