Build a Franchise (Season 5) Discussion Thread continued

[mpharris36]

Its most;y Sexton for me. I guess you failed to read the 3 pages of responses about MVP scrub player of the week joke that went on for days. I was nowhere near the main contributor to that.

The Moses Brown stuff is mostly in jest...we have been around here for 5 years now...every year there is an anomaly. Just as Boogie Cousins was winning 6th man of the year in 2K.

As far the the Sexton stuff I think there are ways around your issues but you are having issues with the simulation but have the opportunity to build out your entire rotation to get the lineups and looks you want for your guys and aren't taking the opportunity to do that. So I'll just leave it as it is.

I am brutally honest. When someone continuously drops the ball who is suppose to be the smart one ( developers ), I call it like it is. But by all means brother, hate on...

its not hate, you can just proactively try to mitigate as much "developer" error as possible with the hands on coaching and lineup adjustments.

I have Robert Williams shooting like 40% from the field and he has never shot less than 70% from the field in the NBA. It happens and I know the system I am running isn't as conducive to his play style as it is the rest of my team so I am trying to do my best to manage that.

I wouldn't be as concerned about Sexton trying to figure it out...the defense seems much more of a concern if you are going to end up as a bottom 5 defensive team regardless of how talented the offense is that is a lot to overcome. But that is just me.

[Depalma2002]

Nerfed wiseman still holding a 70+ defense rating and putting up points

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

He was 3 or 3 and half stars last year I think and that’s from playing what 3 games of college

he did get a major nerf down to 2 stars though but he’s still pretty good from what I’m seeing. He’s averaging 16pts, 8rebs, 1.1 blocks

Worst case scenario he can be my backup big next season while I’m still sitting on his upside. At the very least I’m hoping he returns in January and has a impact off the bench for the warriors with defense / rebounding

Last year he got 21 mpg playing on a team that was trying to tank while still having some pretty good veteran talent. This year in BAF as a sophomore he is getting 29.5 mpg playing on a team that was trying to tank while still having some pretty good veteran talent.

So let's disregard the fact that he hasn't been healthy and hasn't played yet in real life. The sim is going primarily off last year's numbers. Not playing yet this season should be irrelevant. If it's not irrelevant for Wiseman then it shouldn't be irrelevant for Zion.

Given that he is going from a rookie to a second year player. I don't think it's totally unreasonable to project his 21 or so mpg last year to his 29.5 mpg game BAF sophomore year with too much drop in efficiency from the extra workload due to the experienced gained. His situation between last year's IRL Warriors and this year's BAF Heat is fairly similar.

Last year's NBA numbers projected to 29.5 mpg
13.0 FGA, .519 FG%, 8.0 reb, 1.2 blocks, 15.9 points

This year's BAF as of last stat posting:
13.6 FGA, .495 FG%, 7.9 reb, 1.1 blocks, 16.3 points

Doesn't look wildly unrealistic to me when you go strictly based on numbers.

You have to remember the sim seems to be numbers driven.

[Context]

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

Oh- its clear they are not connected...just look at how they did lebron...It takes a lot of work to be accountable and accurate.

[Buzzard]

The Moses Brown stuff is mostly in jest...we have been around here for 5 years now...every year there is an anomaly. Just as Boogie Cousins was winning 6th man of the year in 2K.

As far the the Sexton stuff I think there are ways around your issues but you are having issues with the simulation but have the opportunity to build out your entire rotation to get the lineups and looks you want for your guys and aren't taking the opportunity to do that. So I'll just leave it as it is.

I am brutally honest. When someone continuously drops the ball who is suppose to be the smart one ( developers ), I call it like it is. But by all means brother, hate on...

its not hate, you can just proactively try to mitigate as much "developer" error as possible with the hands on coaching and lineup adjustments.

I have Robert Williams shooting like 40% from the field and he has never shot less than 70% from the field in the NBA. It happens and I know the system I am running isn't as conducive to his play style as it is the rest of my team so I am trying to do my best to manage that.

I wouldn't be as concerned about Sexton trying to figure it out...the defense seems much more of a concern if you are going to end up as a bottom 5 defensive team regardless of how talented the offense is that is a lot to overcome. But that is just me.

I did not trade two 30 year olds for Sextons defense. I am not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Sexton's profile even says he likes playing and starting. I am doing exactly what I should be doing. One other thing, I have let the SIM set my lineup for the past two weeks. Even the SIM agrees with me and thinks Sexton should be starting.

This is not rocket science. Sexton has proven he is a good NBA playe; quite capable of being a efficient scorer/starter. The SIM downgraded his offense despite 2020/21 being his best season. I can't fix their bull. I can just trade him or let this play out. I have decided to let it play out...

[mpharris36]

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

He was 3 or 3 and half stars last year I think and that’s from playing what 3 games of college

he did get a major nerf down to 2 stars though but he’s still pretty good from what I’m seeing. He’s averaging 16pts, 8rebs, 1.1 blocks

Worst case scenario he can be my backup big next season while I’m still sitting on his upside. At the very least I’m hoping he returns in January and has a impact off the bench for the warriors with defense / rebounding

Last year he got 21 mpg playing on a team that was trying to tank while still having some pretty good veteran talent. This year in BAF as a sophomore he is getting 29.5 mpg playing on a team that was trying to tank while still having some pretty good veteran talent.

So let's disregard the fact that he hasn't been healthy and hasn't played yet in real life. The sim is going primarily off last year's numbers. Not playing yet this season should be irrelevant. If it's not irrelevant for Wiseman then it shouldn't be irrelevant for Zion.

Given that he is going from a rookie to a second year player. I don't think it's totally unreasonable to project his 21 or so mpg last year to his 29.5 mpg game BAF sophomore year with too much drop in efficiency from the extra workload due to the experienced gained. His situation between last year's IRL Warriors and this year's BAF Heat is fairly similar.

Last year's NBA numbers projected to 29.5 mpg
13.0 FGA, .519 FG%, 8.0 reb, 1.2 blocks, 15.9 points

This year's BAF as of last stat posting:
13.6 FGA, .495 FG%, 7.9 reb, 1.1 blocks, 16.3 points

Doesn't look wildly unrealistic to me.

correct and last year was a bit of a outlier for rookies due to COVID and there was no Summer League and no preseason basically and the season started later. So the developers only had a small 3 game sample size to evaluate Wiseman @ Memphis. Who in those 3 games put up monster numbers (albeit vs poor comp early in the college season). But I obviously took that into my calculation. His EFF was going to go down but his per 36 numbers in his rookie season in real life and his soph year in BAF aren't that unrealistic. They usually get it reasonably right.

[HerSports85]

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

Oh- its clear they are not connected...just look at how the did lebron...It takes a lot of work to be accountable and accurate.

I still think dropping Kawhi from a 96 to 56 on defense was the most crazy rating, but what they did to lebron in criminal as well.

[Context]

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

Oh- its clear they are not connected...just look at how the did lebron...It takes a lot of work to be accountable and accurate.

I still think dropping Kawhi from a 96 to 56 on defense was the most crazy rating, but what they did to lebron in criminal as well.

Dam! Missed what they did to Kawhi

[Smash3]

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

Oh- its clear they are not connected...just look at how the did lebron...It takes a lot of work to be accountable and accurate.

I still think dropping Kawhi from a 96 to 56 on defense was the most crazy rating, but what they did to lebron in criminal as well.

Defense was probably the biggest oversight, Jrue was dropped from 100 to 72 and Powell from 87 to 66… Crazy

[Context]

Oh- its clear they are not connected...just look at how the did lebron...It takes a lot of work to be accountable and accurate.

I still think dropping Kawhi from a 96 to 56 on defense was the most crazy rating, but what they did to lebron in criminal as well.

Defense was probably the biggest oversight, Jrue was dropped from 100 to 72 and Powell from 87 to 66… Crazy

This is precisely why I don’t take it as seriously as some do. At the end of the day it’s a computer simulation…And I’m here to live out my fantasy as a GM.

[br7knicks]

yeah, i do think wolverine studios definitely misses on players. i think it's only a few guys that do it. they need to pay better attention. like butler only has a high 70s defensive ratings. he's one of the few guys who should be 95+

[Smash3]

I just googled wolverine sports and apparently they have fixed the defensive ratings:

Version 11.3 (12/20/21)
-----------------------------
- database changes and updates
- correction to formula for determining defensive ratings


https://www.draftdaysports.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=343&t=34597

I actually think the defensive ratings being so bad is a big problem this edition, and we should use the most updated version. We all criticized the defensive ratings before the season began, and it looks like there was a coding/development mistake that has been corrected now.

If Bish agrees and y'all also agree I think Bish should download the latest file, restart or update the season with new ratings --> if he has to restart he doesn't have to post box scores which is appreciated but takes a lot of time, he can instead go straight to simulating 13 games and continue where we were with fixed ratings and continue the season like usual.

And1 this post or quote me if you guys agree we should update ratings of defense, and hopefully FG% issues with players like LeBron and Sexton are solved too.

[Buzzard]

Thanks to everyone for speaking up. I know I am not the only one that sees poor ratings and has mentioned them. 2010 and I may be the loudest though. So we draw the brunt of the criticism...

[Buzzard]

I just googled wolverine sports and apparently they have fixed the defensive ratings:

Version 11.3 (12/20/21)
-----------------------------
- database changes and updates
- correction to formula for determining defensive ratings


https://www.draftdaysports.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=343&t=34597

I actually think the defensive ratings being so bad is a big problem this edition, and we should use the most updated version. We all criticized the defensive ratings before the season began, and it looks like there was a coding/development mistake that has been corrected now.

If Bish agrees and y'all also agree I think Bish should download the latest file, restart the season with new ratings --> he doesn't have to post box scores but he can sim 13 games as we're 13 games in and then continue the season like usual.

And1 this post or quote me if you guys agree we should update ratings of defense, and hopefully FG% issues with players like LeBron and Sexton are solved too.

I would love for the ratings to be fixed!

[2010]

It is what it is. Big rating mistakes really take a lot of the fun out of the game. Unless three stooges like bumbling and fumbling is your thing.

the only person that seems to have big issues with the ratings is you though? And its everyday...

I got issues with it too.

[2010]

I have pretty much given up on the BAF Developers ever looking like they have a clue about the NBA. There is just too many glaring holes in their player ratings.

Oh- its clear they are not connected...just look at how the did lebron...It takes a lot of work to be accountable and accurate.

I still think dropping Kawhi from a 96 to 56 on defense was the most crazy rating, but what they did to lebron in criminal as well.

They got LeBron out here putting up JR Smith #’s with the FG%.

[2010]

I just googled wolverine sports and apparently they have fixed the defensive ratings:

Version 11.3 (12/20/21)
-----------------------------
- database changes and updates
- correction to formula for determining defensive ratings


https://www.draftdaysports.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=343&t=34597

I actually think the defensive ratings being so bad is a big problem this edition, and we should use the most updated version. We all criticized the defensive ratings before the season began, and it looks like there was a coding/development mistake that has been corrected now.

If Bish agrees and y'all also agree I think Bish should download the latest file, restart or update the season with new ratings --> if he has to restart he doesn't have to post box scores but he can sim 13 games as we're 13 games in and then continue the season like usual.

And1 this post or quote me if you guys agree we should update ratings of defense, and hopefully FG% issues with players like LeBron and Sexton are solved too.

I’m for this.

[3toheadmelo]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

[Capn'O]

I PM'd a lineup change to myself yesterday that excluded George and Gobert from major minutes. Glad it was a game vs a tank team.

Shoutout to the east another night Atlanta lost by 62 points and Boston put up 49 points

Yes, that would be the game.

[Smash3]

I don’t think it’s fair at all to restart the season or mess with the ratings as is in my opinion. We’ve never done that before so doing it now just isn’t fair to the previous years who’s ratings weren’t favorable to your respectable squad. That’s inconsistent. It also isn’t fair to the teams who are winning right now and are satisfied with their ratings like me. There’s always gonna to be outliers in the SIM but you just have to deal with it. 2k’s SIM has some wonky ratings as well. It’s never going to be perfect.

I hear you, but this isn't a couple players or specific to different squads, they just stated they messed up the formula for defense affecting the whole league.

Usually I would agree with you, but in this case it would be like if 2k messed up their offensive formula and we just decided not to update to the version where they fixed it. That would make no sense.

[bishnykfan]

I don't really want to get into this all again because its kind of boring at this point but since it's the main discussion this morning... I think DePalma made the case for Wiseman pretty perfectly.

LeBron has been a multiple time MVP winner in this game. The "developers" obviously don't have an awful view of him. He has gotten off to a slow start shooting the ball this year in a 12 game sample size. But his other numbers are very comparable to last year. His three point shooting is much better while his two point FG% is way down. His FT% is also down through a 12 game sample size. His rebound, steals, blocks and turnover numbers are better in the sim than IRL while his assist number is down. And maybe most importantly, he has played 100% of sim games through the first month or so while he only played just over 62% of Laker games last season. And its been 12 games...so to say the sim has it in for LeBron? If he ends the season shooting 44% from the field then I would say he had an unexpectedly bad season but its been 12 games.

As for Sexton, he went from first option in Cleveland in 2020-21 to fourth option in Indiana (BaF) this year. His three point shooting numbers are way up, probably getting better looks with defenses focused on Luka and Zion rather than Darius Garland and Andre Drummond. Like LeBron, his two point and free throw percentages are way down though. His overall ratings though aren't that bad so maybe he is just having a difficult time personality wise adjusting to his new role as fourth option? Or maybe it has only been a 12 game sample size and teams can complain, try to adjust or just do nothing.

But it is what it is...to me its the reason the sim is good not bad. Because not everything would work just based on what the stats say on the back of their basketball card. Fit does seem to matter. Of course there are anomalies, breakouts and busts happen every year.

As for restarting the league, I'm not doing that...this takes 3 hours minimum per night as is. To restart now is not going to happen. I have periodically in past seasons gone to the Wolverine website and downloaded their latest updates when things have needed to be updated usually because of a technical issue rather than gameplay. I can do that again and then just continue on with the season as is assuming the newest download doesn't overwrite everything we've done up to this point.