Trade Ideas for This Season

[Catchall]

Lets post some trade ideas here...

As it stands, the Jazz are still looking for a two-way player to improve the perimeter defense. Royce brings energy and toughness on the defensive end, but he's not big and long enough to really be disruptive. Rudy Gay is showing his age and doesn't look like he wants to go out and chase wings on the perimeter.

Big names that are in trade rumors right now include Jerami Grant, Harrison Barnes and Christian Wood. However, I think a more likely move for the Jazz to make would be to trade Joe Ingles for a player like Kyle Kuzma or Larry Nance Jr. Joe is expiring, and I don't just mean his contract (ba-dum).

There is the budget approach, where the Jazz just try to bring in someone like Tony Snell, but the Jazz need someone they can close with.

[D Rog]

I am curious about Cam Reddish. I have only seen him play 4 or 5 NBA games but his length, athleticism and current contract (along with Bird Rights) intrigues me. Part of me says leave the jazz alone and don't make any trades but they are getting to be an old team with 1/2 of their rotational players in their 30s. If Reddish is really available and you can get him for 1 (maybe even 2) protected first round picks I would seriously consider that. This way you are not trading any current rotational players and messing with chemistry. It may cost guys rotational minutes but that is part of the game. I just don't know what it would take to get him and I am not even sure if Reddish is available although various reports say he is.

I agree with Catchall regarding Rudy Gay. I would like Quin to find some meaningful minutes for Paschal (not just 2 minutes at the end of a blowout game).

I have a couple of other off the wall ideas. I still think trading Ingles messes with the team mentally but "s*** happens". The Pacers apparently want to go through a rebuild and apparently the Knicks are interested in Miles Turner. If the Pacers are just looking to rebuild the Jazz could help facilitate using Ingles expiring contract and 1 or 2 guys at the end of the Jazz bench and the Jazz acquire Fournier from the Knicks. Fournier has a few years left in him and it gives Rudy one of his best friends as a teammate. Knicks probably have to throw in a draft pick or young player.

I still think one of the biggest weaknesses is Conley's back up and I don't like to use the phrase "back up". I don't think of Donovan as the PG of the Jazz future. I am not yet sold on Butler but maybe he will turn into a player in a couple years. My dream is Haliburton but I don't see that happening. One of the teams the Jazz have worked with the most in the past few years has been Cleveland. Is Sexton (even though he is out for this year) somebody that could be worth a look to replace Conley in a year or two and what would it cost? My concern there is he is as small as Conley.

Finally with the Jazz hiring Danny Ainge would he reach out to Boston for Marcus Smart? Tough guy and good defender but not much of a threat from 3 point land. What would he cost? I think Ainge will make things interesting at trade deadline, during the draft and in the summer. It could be a wild ride.

[Catchall]

I am curious about Cam Reddish. I have only seen him play 4 or 5 NBA games but his length, athleticism and current contract (along with Bird Rights) intrigues me. Part of me says leave the jazz alone and don't make any trades but they are getting to be an old team with 1/2 of their rotational players in their 30s. If Reddish is really available and you can get him for 1 (maybe even 2) protected first round picks I would seriously consider that. This way you are not trading any current rotational players and messing with chemistry. It may cost guys rotational minutes but that is part of the game. I just don't know what it would take to get him and I am not even sure if Reddish is available although various reports say he is.

I agree with Catchall regarding Rudy Gay. I would like Quin to find some meaningful minutes for Paschal (not just 2 minutes at the end of a blowout game).

I have a couple of other off the wall ideas. I still think trading Ingles messes with the team mentally but "s*** happens". The Pacers apparently want to go through a rebuild and apparently the Knicks are interested in Miles Turner. If the Pacers are just looking to rebuild the Jazz could help facilitate using Ingles expiring contract and 1 or 2 guys at the end of the Jazz bench and the Jazz acquire Fournier from the Knicks. Fournier has a few years left in him and it gives Rudy one of his best friends as a teammate. Knicks probably have to throw in a draft pick or young player.

I still think one of the biggest weaknesses is Conley's back up and I don't like to use the phrase "back up". I don't think of Donovan as the PG of the Jazz future. I am not yet sold on Butler but maybe he will turn into a player in a couple years. My dream is Haliburton but I don't see that happening. One of the teams the Jazz have worked with the most in the past few years has been Cleveland. Is Sexton (even though he is out for this year) somebody that could be worth a look to replace Conley in a year or two and what would it cost? My concern there is he is as small as Conley.

Finally with the Jazz hiring Danny Ainge would he reach out to Boston for Marcus Smart? Tough guy and good defender but not much of a threat from 3 point land. What would he cost? I think Ainge will make things interesting at trade deadline, during the draft and in the summer. It could be a wild ride.

Fournier doesn't improve the Jazz's defense or athleticism. I think the Jazz would ideally like to add a 2/3 Josh Richardson-type. But what they're looking for is a player who is good enough to replace either Royce or Bojan in our closing lineup. As for longer term, yes, the Jazz need a guard to put next to Donovan, but I bet they're thinking about contending this year and next.

[AingesBurner]

We gotta stop the love affair with Ingles, he’s old, lost 2 steps, and hasn’t been that great this year, get value while you can before he retires or demands a ridiculous contract.

[D Rog]

I agree that Fournier doesn't add defense or athleticism. I think he has a longer shelf life than Ingles and shows additional commitment to Gobert. If Ingles retires this year and the Jazz don't trade him we all know they can't replace his salary slot. I think Fournier could be an option (but not a great option). The Knicks don't do that trade straight - it is as a facilitator for another player.

I am not sure I understand your comment about the jazz replacing Royce or Bojan in their closing lineup. If you are talking trading them then you need to get something pretty good in return and now you are messing with chemistry. If you are talking something like Bogey for Jerami Grant then I am concerned that Grant (after he recovers from his injury) will only get about 4-6 weeks with the Jazz before the playoffs begin. If you are keeping Royce and Bojan and just trading for a defensive specialist I don't think you bench one of your starters for the final 3 minutes to put in a guy that is just a defensive presence because then you are allowing an opponent to sag off your non offensive minded player. (example Rubio shooting 3s, Kirilinko crying after Houston didn't bother guarding him from 3 or go way back David Benoit for 3!!)

And in response to your original comment - I don't think the Wizards are trading Kuzma for Ingles and the Blazers aren't trading Nance for Ingles. Ingles value is to a team that is in full rebuild mode and wants to dump the salary of a guy in his later 20s or 30s with 2 or 3 years remaining on his contract. That is why I think if the Jazz trade Ingles it will be in some capacity as a 3 team trade facilitator. It will be interesting to see what D Ainge comes up with.

[Catchall]

I agree that Fournier doesn't add defense or athleticism. I think he has a longer shelf life than Ingles and shows additional commitment to Gobert. If Ingles retires this year and the Jazz don't trade him we all know they can't replace his salary slot. I think Fournier could be an option (but not a great option). The Knicks don't do that trade straight - it is as a facilitator for another player.

I am not sure I understand your comment about the jazz replacing Royce or Bojan in their closing lineup. If you are talking trading them then you need to get something pretty good in return and now you are messing with chemistry. If you are talking something like Bogey for Jerami Grant then I am concerned that Grant (after he recovers from his injury) will only get about 4-6 weeks with the Jazz before the playoffs begin. If you are keeping Royce and Bojan and just trading for a defensive specialist I don't think you bench one of your starters for the final 3 minutes to put in a guy that is just a defensive presence because then you are allowing an opponent to sag off your non offensive minded player. (example Rubio shooting 3s, Kirilinko crying after Houston didn't bother guarding him from 3 or go way back David Benoit for 3!!)

And in response to your original comment - I don't think the Wizards are trading Kuzma for Ingles and the Blazers aren't trading Nance for Ingles. Ingles value is to a team that is in full rebuild mode and wants to dump the salary of a guy in his later 20s or 30s with 2 or 3 years remaining on his contract. That is why I think if the Jazz trade Ingles it will be in some capacity as a 3 team trade facilitator. It will be interesting to see what D Ainge comes up with.

Currently, the Jazz's closing lineup includes Mike Conley, Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert. It's very unlikely that the Jazz will replace Conley this season, so those three guys are a given. So if you want to improve the lineup, you have to replace either Bojan or Royce. If you replace Bojan, you're probably deciding that you're willing to take some shooting off the floor in order to add some defensive length, athleticism and rebounding. The rationale is that the ball is in Donovan and Mike's hands anyway, and Bojan is really just an outlet shooter in the closing lineup. If you replace Royce, you're deciding that you really want Bojan and his 50% 3pt shooting from the corners to space the floor for Donovan, Rudy and Mike to go to work. So you bring in someone with more size than Royce to basically play Royce's current role.

If the Jazz don't want to disrupt what they have too much, they can offer Joe Ingles' expiring contract, Jared Butler and a future 1st-rd pick. That would enable the Jazz to bring in a player making around $13M, someone like Kyle Kuzma or Larry Nance Jr.

If the Jazz want to bring in a $20M player like Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes, then they probably need to move Bojan's contract.

[red4hf]

Would love to see Nance Jr somehow end up with the Jazz......

[Gert42]

I think the biggest problem with any trades for this season is how many 1st down the road do we want to give up?

[AingesBurner]

I think the biggest problem with any trades for this season is how many 1st down the road do we want to give up?

Ring is worth it!

[babyjax13]

I would like to see the Jazz release Elijah Hughes and sign Danuel House. I think he provides a lot of what we need for the lowest possible price. Reduce Joe and Clarkson's minutes a bit.

Gobert 34/Whiteside 14
Bogdanovic 28/Gay 20
O'neale 24/House 16/Ingles 8
Mitchell 34/Clarkson 14
Conley 28/Ingles 14/Clarkson 6

[Catchall]

Worth mentioning in this thread that Jordan Clarkson's bad shooting games have caused at least 4 or 5 losses so far this season. When I say "bad shooting games," I mean games where he shoots something like 2/11, 3/14 and 1/10 from 3pt. These losses include Chicago, Orlando, Memphis, NOLA and Washington.

In addition, Clarkson's bad shooting has also turned some easy wins into closer games, and these wins include 2 games against Sacramento and the last-second win in Cleveland.

If you as a GM were looking at the Jazz and trying to figure out what moves to make, then early-season data would put Clarkson in the crosshairs. Ingles and Gay might be on the bubble too, with the rationale being that they're just too old to be relied upon.

[Catchall]

I could picture the Jazz having a conversation with Atlanta about swapping Jordan Clarkson for Cam Reddish and Delon Wright. Not sure if either side would pull the trigger.

[babyjax13]

I could picture the Jazz having a conversation with Atlanta about swapping Jordan Clarkson for Cam Reddish and Delon Wright. Not sure if either side would pull the trigger.

I doubt Atlanta would, even if it was just Reddish for Clarkson. Wings are just more valuable than guards, and scoring combo-guards are one of the more plentiful archetypes in the league.

[AingesBurner]

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I could picture the Jazz having a conversation with Atlanta about swapping Jordan Clarkson for Cam Reddish and Delon Wright. Not sure if either side would pull the trigger.

I doubt Atlanta would, even if it was just Reddish for Clarkson. Wings are just more valuable than guards, and scoring combo-guards are one of the more plentiful archetypes in the league.

You keep saying this but I can only think of a handful of decent bench scoring guards.

[babyjax13]

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I could picture the Jazz having a conversation with Atlanta about swapping Jordan Clarkson for Cam Reddish and Delon Wright. Not sure if either side would pull the trigger.

I doubt Atlanta would, even if it was just Reddish for Clarkson. Wings are just more valuable than guards, and scoring combo-guards are one of the more plentiful archetypes in the league.

You keep saying this but I can only think of a handful of decent bench scoring guards.

Atlanta: Lou Williams
Boston: Dennis Schroder
Brooklyn: Cam Thomas, Patty Mills
Dallas: Jaylen Brunson, Trey Burke
Denver: Will Barton, Bones Hyland, Monte Morris
Detroit: Frank Jackson
Golden State: Jordan Poole, Damion Lee
Indiana: Jeremy Lamb, Justin Holiday
LA Clippers: Luke Kennard
LA Lakers: Wayne Ellington, Malik Monk
Miami: Tyler Herro, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus,
Milwaukee: George Hill, Jordan Nwora, Grayson Allen
Minnesota: Jaylen Nowell
New York: Kemba Walker, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, Alec Burks
Orlando: Terrence Ross, E'twaun Moore, RJ Hampton
Philadelphia: Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz
Phoenix: Landry Shamet
Portland: Ben McLemore, Anfernee Simons
San Antonio: Lonnie Walker, Bryn Forbes
Toronto: Goran Dragic, Svi Mykhailiuk
Washington: Raul Neto

Clarkson is better than most of these guys, but if you can add someone who is a threat to score enough that the offense in the second unit is still fairly functional while also swapping Clarkson for a solid 3+D wing ... it **might* be worth it.

[AingesBurner]

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I doubt Atlanta would, even if it was just Reddish for Clarkson. Wings are just more valuable than guards, and scoring combo-guards are one of the more plentiful archetypes in the league.

You keep saying this but I can only think of a handful of decent bench scoring guards.

Atlanta: Lou Williams
Boston: Dennis Schroder
Brooklyn: Cam Thomas, Patty Mills
Dallas: Jaylen Brunson, Trey Burke
Denver: Will Barton, Bones Hyland, Monte Morris
Detroit: Frank Jackson
Golden State: Jordan Poole, Damion Lee
Indiana: Jeremy Lamb, Justin Holiday
LA Clippers: Luke Kennard
LA Lakers: Wayne Ellington, Malik Monk
Miami: Tyler Herro, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus,
Milwaukee: George Hill, Jordan Nwora, Grayson Allen
Minnesota: Jaylen Nowell
New York: Kemba Walker, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, Alec Burks
Orlando: Terrence Ross, E'twaun Moore, RJ Hampton
Philadelphia: Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz
Phoenix: Landry Shamet
Portland: Ben McLemore, Anfernee Simons
San Antonio: Lonnie Walker, Bryn Forbes
Toronto: Goran Dragic, Svi Mykhailiuk
Washington: Raul Neto

Clarkson is better than most of these guys, but if you can add someone who is a threat to score enough that the offense in the second unit is still fairly functional while also swapping Clarkson for a solid 3+D wing ... it **might* be worth it.

Exactly, and how many of them could we acquire? Probably not many, but do you know who is replaceable on the roster? Joe Ingles, you know as well as I do he is the benches weak link. When he first came in he was awesome, 3&D and he’s not really either of those right now, I’d rather replace him with a younger 3&D who can keep defenses honest and let Clarkson go to work.

[babyjax13]

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You keep saying this but I can only think of a handful of decent bench scoring guards.

Atlanta: Lou Williams
Boston: Dennis Schroder
Brooklyn: Cam Thomas, Patty Mills
Dallas: Jaylen Brunson, Trey Burke
Denver: Will Barton, Bones Hyland, Monte Morris
Detroit: Frank Jackson
Golden State: Jordan Poole, Damion Lee
Indiana: Jeremy Lamb, Justin Holiday
LA Clippers: Luke Kennard
LA Lakers: Wayne Ellington, Malik Monk
Miami: Tyler Herro, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus,
Milwaukee: George Hill, Jordan Nwora, Grayson Allen
Minnesota: Jaylen Nowell
New York: Kemba Walker, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, Alec Burks
Orlando: Terrence Ross, E'twaun Moore, RJ Hampton
Philadelphia: Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz
Phoenix: Landry Shamet
Portland: Ben McLemore, Anfernee Simons
San Antonio: Lonnie Walker, Bryn Forbes
Toronto: Goran Dragic, Svi Mykhailiuk
Washington: Raul Neto

Clarkson is better than most of these guys, but if you can add someone who is a threat to score enough that the offense in the second unit is still fairly functional while also swapping Clarkson for a solid 3+D wing ... it **might* be worth it.

Exactly, and how many of them could we acquire? Probably not many, but do you know who is replaceable on the roster? Joe Ingles, you know as well as I do he is the benches weak link. When he first came in he was awesome, 3&D and he’s not really either of those right now, I’d rather replace him with a younger 3&D who can keep defenses honest and let Clarkson go to work.

I think a good portion of them are available. Indiana wants Lamb gone, Minnesota has Nowell buried on their depth chart behind Beasley even though Nowell is the better player... Ingles is still good. He's shooting efficiently and moving the ball. I'd rather keep him than risk our second unit just stagnating into Clarkson + Rudy Gay iso ball. But honestly I'm not really in favor of making a trade, I'd rather sign either Danuel House or Kris Dunn and see how it goes. If that hasn't helped some of our issues by the all-star break, then I'd revisit a trade prior to the deadline.

[Catchall]

Atlanta: Lou Williams
Boston: Dennis Schroder
Brooklyn: Cam Thomas, Patty Mills
Dallas: Jaylen Brunson, Trey Burke
Denver: Will Barton, Bones Hyland, Monte Morris
Detroit: Frank Jackson
Golden State: Jordan Poole, Damion Lee
Indiana: Jeremy Lamb, Justin Holiday
LA Clippers: Luke Kennard
LA Lakers: Wayne Ellington, Malik Monk
Miami: Tyler Herro, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus,
Milwaukee: George Hill, Jordan Nwora, Grayson Allen
Minnesota: Jaylen Nowell
New York: Kemba Walker, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, Alec Burks
Orlando: Terrence Ross, E'twaun Moore, RJ Hampton
Philadelphia: Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz
Phoenix: Landry Shamet
Portland: Ben McLemore, Anfernee Simons
San Antonio: Lonnie Walker, Bryn Forbes
Toronto: Goran Dragic, Svi Mykhailiuk
Washington: Raul Neto

Clarkson is better than most of these guys, but if you can add someone who is a threat to score enough that the offense in the second unit is still fairly functional while also swapping Clarkson for a solid 3+D wing ... it **might* be worth it.

Exactly, and how many of them could we acquire? Probably not many, but do you know who is replaceable on the roster? Joe Ingles, you know as well as I do he is the benches weak link. When he first came in he was awesome, 3&D and he’s not really either of those right now, I’d rather replace him with a younger 3&D who can keep defenses honest and let Clarkson go to work.

I think a good portion of them are available. Indiana wants Lamb gone, Minnesota has Nowell buried on their depth chart behind Beasley even though Nowell is the better player... Ingles is still good. He's shooting efficiently and moving the ball. I'd rather keep him than risk our second unit just stagnating into Clarkson + Rudy Gay iso ball. But honestly I'm not really in favor of making a trade, I'd rather sign either Danuel House or Kris Dunn and see how it goes. If that hasn't helped some of our issues by the all-star break, then I'd revisit a trade prior to the deadline.

The only players on your list who have more trade value than Clarkson are Kennard, Herro and maybe Lonnie Walker if you believe in him.

Also, Danuel House and Kris Dunn won't make a difference for the Jazz because they won't get on the floor.

[babyjax13]

Exactly, and how many of them could we acquire? Probably not many, but do you know who is replaceable on the roster? Joe Ingles, you know as well as I do he is the benches weak link. When he first came in he was awesome, 3&D and he’s not really either of those right now, I’d rather replace him with a younger 3&D who can keep defenses honest and let Clarkson go to work.

I think a good portion of them are available. Indiana wants Lamb gone, Minnesota has Nowell buried on their depth chart behind Beasley even though Nowell is the better player... Ingles is still good. He's shooting efficiently and moving the ball. I'd rather keep him than risk our second unit just stagnating into Clarkson + Rudy Gay iso ball. But honestly I'm not really in favor of making a trade, I'd rather sign either Danuel House or Kris Dunn and see how it goes. If that hasn't helped some of our issues by the all-star break, then I'd revisit a trade prior to the deadline.

The only players on your list who have more trade value than Clarkson are Kennard, Herro and maybe Lonnie Walker if you believe in him.

Also, Danuel House and Kris Dunn won't make a difference for the Jazz because they won't get on the floor.

My point is only that we can find someone to fill Clarkson's role, even if they aren't quite as good (also, Poole, Brunson, Morris, and Barton are all better players than Clarkson in addition to Herro - I don't think Walker is much good but you could do worse for 15 minutes). I think House would get on the floor, and Dunn would if he hasn't sustained a career-altering injury, which he may have. If we end up trading one of our major pieces, I think Clarkson is by far the least essential to our success out of Conley/Mitchell/Bogdanovic/O'neale/Gobert/Ingles/Gay. That said I'd love to still have him on the roster, I have a hard time wanting to trade any of our major rotation pieces (honestly Bogey is the one I'd most look to move b/c I think he has some value and if you add a first to him you can get more of a 2-way player who is still an offensive threat).

[AingesBurner]

Atlanta: Lou Williams
Boston: Dennis Schroder
Brooklyn: Cam Thomas, Patty Mills
Dallas: Jaylen Brunson, Trey Burke
Denver: Will Barton, Bones Hyland, Monte Morris
Detroit: Frank Jackson
Golden State: Jordan Poole, Damion Lee
Indiana: Jeremy Lamb, Justin Holiday
LA Clippers: Luke Kennard
LA Lakers: Wayne Ellington, Malik Monk
Miami: Tyler Herro, Gabe Vincent, Max Strus,
Milwaukee: George Hill, Jordan Nwora, Grayson Allen
Minnesota: Jaylen Nowell
New York: Kemba Walker, Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, Alec Burks
Orlando: Terrence Ross, E'twaun Moore, RJ Hampton
Philadelphia: Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz
Phoenix: Landry Shamet
Portland: Ben McLemore, Anfernee Simons
San Antonio: Lonnie Walker, Bryn Forbes
Toronto: Goran Dragic, Svi Mykhailiuk
Washington: Raul Neto

Clarkson is better than most of these guys, but if you can add someone who is a threat to score enough that the offense in the second unit is still fairly functional while also swapping Clarkson for a solid 3+D wing ... it **might* be worth it.

Exactly, and how many of them could we acquire? Probably not many, but do you know who is replaceable on the roster? Joe Ingles, you know as well as I do he is the benches weak link. When he first came in he was awesome, 3&D and he’s not really either of those right now, I’d rather replace him with a younger 3&D who can keep defenses honest and let Clarkson go to work.

I think a good portion of them are available. Indiana wants Lamb gone, Minnesota has Nowell buried on their depth chart behind Beasley even though Nowell is the better player... Ingles is still good. He's shooting efficiently and moving the ball. I'd rather keep him than risk our second unit just stagnating into Clarkson + Rudy Gay iso ball. But honestly I'm not really in favor of making a trade, I'd rather sign either Danuel House or Kris Dunn and see how it goes. If that hasn't helped some of our issues by the all-star break, then I'd revisit a trade prior to the deadline.

Trade deadline is before the break.