QingJames wrote:JonFromVA wrote:QingJames wrote:
Need a bigger sample size. Point is moot now anyways though with Allen entering protocols along with a bunch of other Cavs.
The difference is that Mobley's 'transcendental' defense is his claim to ROY. The gap between him and the rest of the rookies on that end is said to be massive as evidenced by his jaw-dropping defensive numbers of him individually and the team. If the team continues to post incredible defensive numbers in his absence then that obviously weakens his claim. Barnes' claim to ROY has far more to do with his incredible play on the other end of the court, and the gap between him and Mobley on that end is huge. Only Cade and Franz approximate Barnes on that end and both are much better offensive players than Mobley right now as well.
BPM only looks at box score numbers and likes Mobley just fine. If the advanced defensive stats don't impress, you only have to watch Mobley play to see his defensive impact.
We don't penalize players because they buy in to a team concept and succeed at it.
No, we certainly don't penalize him for it. But to vaunt him above the rest of the rookies (3 tiers higher than anybody else, I believe one particularly big Mobley fan said) then it has to be clear that he is the driving force behind Cleveland's elite defense. He can be both a very good defender AND benefitting from elite team defense and great defensive personnel, but of course, that means that we have to take that into account when ranking him above other rookies based on his defense.
Unfortunately, it does not look like we will get the opportunity to make that evaluation.
The whole game is about team. Most people seemed to think Allen needed to be traded, not lauded for his fit with Evan.
It's 100% to both of their credit that he's working so well with Jarrett.
However, Allen gets the majority of the P&R action with Garland - because that's his role. Can Evan receive a lob and dunk it? Most certainly, but instead Evan is trying to space the floor which is not a strength for him.
Everything is connected, you can't just pull one thing out, and it's very rare we get to look at a ROY candidate on a winning team.
If the coaches were voting, Mobley might just be 3 tiers ahead because winning and sacrifice means everything to them; but they're not and we're just going to have to see how things shake out or if other rooks start impacting winning in a similar way making it moot.
But again BPM is just box score stats correlated to winning ... and Mobley has been more than holding his own. People who think Evan is way behind in the box need to understand the opposite is true, at the moment he has a slight lead over Scottie. Presumably a lot of that impact is coming from shot blocking, but the box score doesn't realize how often Evan blocks shots to teammates and ignites a break.
