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Re: NBA postponed Bulls vs Pistons and Raptors games; Bulls covid topics merged 

Post#221 » by MGB8 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:16 pm

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dkb965 wrote: I would love to see a fully healthy Raptors team play a fully healthy Bulls team in a best of seven series. DeRozan looks to be better then ever, but he has failed miserably in the playoffs his entire career. As long as the Bulls are not playing the Raptors I would love to see DeRozan carry his play so far this season into the playoffs. He does appear to be capable of doing so, it is just that I have seen this movie before.


I would love to see that too. Toronto would be on the weaker end of potential opponents they could face. I'd rather see Charlotte or Washington or Boston most likely, but I might take Toronto over Atlanta, Philly, or Miami.


I don't know - I don't want to see Toronto in the playoffs fully healthy. Fully healthy, that team, IMO, can beat anyone. They literally could with the damned championship. They haven't played that way much this season (just a game or two), but they also haven't been fully healthy much. That team is an all-grime team; Thibs probably drools over that roster in his sleep. I'd rather face a finesse team like Atlanta, or an older team like Miami. Even (non-Simmons, non-Simmons trade for something productive) Philly.
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Post#222 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:15 pm

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Moderna just released a finding that a booster spikes antibodies to Covid by 37%. There was no word of how long that spike lasts, and they also are not sure what means on a clinical level, but obviously the hope is that it will prevent you from getting infected in the first place, or if you do, the case will be even milder.

There is also the thought to increase their booster to double the current level, which could boost antibodies even more. Apparently that is a decision public health officials will need to make.


FYI, a happy correction here: a Moderna booster doesn't raise antibodies 37%, it raises them 37 times, i.e. 3700%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/20/moderna-says-booster-of-its-covid-vaccine-appears-to-protect-against-omicron.html

Pfizer's booster raises antibodies by 25x.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/booster-shots-and-omicron-is-moderna-or-pfizer-performing-better-heres-the-data-so-far/2711734/

I'm not sure what MGB8 meant when he said that "the vaccines basically produce zero antibody protection against Omicron." This is obviously not true and also leaves out that vaccines provide protection beyond antibodies, like T-cells, which should be more durable than antibodies.


Read: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-study-suggests-covid-19-vaccines-may-be-ineffective-against-omicron-without-2021-12-14/


I wasn't arguing with you in my reply to Dresden, just noting that I didn't really get what your point was. Yes, a non-booster course of vaccines, with time, appears to provide little "antibody" protection against Omicron, but it still provides other protection as you noted. You incorrectly stated only a recent Moderna booster would boost antibodies. In fact, both the Moderna and Pfizer boosters increase them dramatically. And in any event, since both vaccines do provide T-cell protection, it's still great to have been vaccinated to prevent a bad outcome from Omicron, even if it's quite possible to get a breakthrough infection.

The article you posted is about non-boosted vaccination (presumably in people who were vaccinated some time ago and whose antibody levels dropped), which sure, while that may be accurate, boosters are free and abundant, so they don't support any sort of notion that you shouldn't get vaxxed + boosted to afford yourself some protection.
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Re: NBA postponed Bulls vs Pistons and Raptors games; Bulls covid topics merged 

Post#223 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:17 pm

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JohnnyTapwater wrote:They might as well let us get this easy win vs. the Raptors since they made us play with a skeleton crew.


It is BS to play tomorrow. Enjoy a fake win against a G league team. :banghead:

1 fake win versus a team we probably beat at full strength anyways versus 2 fake losses to teams we have a good chance of beating at full strength. Yeah hasn’t balanced out yet.


IMO, if you can't tolerate some fake wins and losses, NBA 2021-2022 is not going to be your thing!
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Post#225 » by sco » Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:57 pm

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Post#226 » by dkb965 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:02 pm

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dkb965 wrote: I would love to see a fully healthy Raptors team play a fully healthy Bulls team in a best of seven series. DeRozan looks to be better then ever, but he has failed miserably in the playoffs his entire career. As long as the Bulls are not playing the Raptors I would love to see DeRozan carry his play so far this season into the playoffs. He does appear to be capable of doing so, it is just that I have seen this movie before.


I would love to see that too. Toronto would be on the weaker end of potential opponents they could face. I'd rather see Charlotte or Washington or Boston most likely, but I might take Toronto over Atlanta, Philly, or Miami.


It is hard to tell how good the Raptors actually are or could be, as they have not had a healthy roster at any point this season. They are the youngest team in the NBA though and young teams usually do not win in the playoffs. In saying that teams such as the Cavaliers or Bulls would not scare me in a potential playoff matchup because of their lack of playoff experience and the fact neither team has a superstar player. If the Raptors are going to be forced to play with a g league roster they are going to go on a long losing streak and it will be in their best interest at that point to say screw you Adam Silver and just tank for a top 10 pick.
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Post#227 » by dougthonus » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:19 pm

MGB8 wrote:I don't know - I don't want to see Toronto in the playoffs fully healthy. Fully healthy, that team, IMO, can beat anyone. They literally could with the damned championship. They haven't played that way much this season (just a game or two), but they also haven't been fully healthy much. That team is an all-grime team; Thibs probably drools over that roster in his sleep. I'd rather face a finesse team like Atlanta, or an older team like Miami. Even (non-Simmons, non-Simmons trade for something productive) Philly.


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We aren't going to get an easy out in the playoffs no matter what. Grimy teams generally don't win titles. In the sense that there is a lot of parity in the East, anyone can beat anyone. Toronto is on the low end of those anyones IMO.
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Post#228 » by dougthonus » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:35 pm

dkb965 wrote: It is hard to tell how good the Raptors actually are or could be, as they have not had a healthy roster at any point this season. They are the youngest team in the NBA though and young teams usually do not win in the playoffs. In saying that teams such as the Cavaliers or Bulls would not scare me in a potential playoff matchup because of their lack of playoff experience and the fact neither team has a superstar player. If the Raptors are going to be forced to play with a g league roster they are going to go on a long losing streak and it will be in their best interest at that point to say screw you Adam Silver and just tank for a top 10 pick.


Everyone is sort of in this boat though. The Bulls were just in this boat too. It doesn't last that long, just 3 weeks. Maybe it is enough for the Raptors to say screw it and tank for a pick, I have no idea.

I also totally get why some team would look at the Bulls and go "we could upset them, that's a good match up for us". The Bulls as a team don't have any playoff experience with each other and only DeMar (not a historically great playoff performer) and Caruso really have big experience out of their regulars with Vucevic having little experience and Zach/Ball having none.

Chicago also has some flaws you feel like you could probably exploit in a 7 game series that you may not attack as easily individually in a game by game basis.

Either way, while I could see a Raptors fan feeling good if they were the 7 seed and the Bulls were 2 about a potential upset. I wouldn't feel bad about that matchup either as a Bulls fan. No easy outs in the playoffs this year in the East. It's really deep 1-10 and COVID will screw enough teams that the final records won't likely reflect talent.

I expect the seeding to mean less than normal this year and lots of lower seed upsets.
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Post#229 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:08 pm

Welp, KC and Shams are reporting tonight has been postponed.

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Post#230 » by dkb965 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:11 pm

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dkb965 wrote: It is hard to tell how good the Raptors actually are or could be, as they have not had a healthy roster at any point this season. They are the youngest team in the NBA though and young teams usually do not win in the playoffs. In saying that teams such as the Cavaliers or Bulls would not scare me in a potential playoff matchup because of their lack of playoff experience and the fact neither team has a superstar player. If the Raptors are going to be forced to play with a g league roster they are going to go on a long losing streak and it will be in their best interest at that point to say screw you Adam Silver and just tank for a top 10 pick.


Everyone is sort of in this boat though. The Bulls were just in this boat too. It doesn't last that long, just 3 weeks. Maybe it is enough for the Raptors to say screw it and tank for a pick, I have no idea.

I also totally get why some team would look at the Bulls and go "we could upset them, that's a good match up for us". The Bulls as a team don't have any playoff experience with each other and only DeMar (not a historically great playoff performer) and Caruso really have big experience out of their regulars with Vucevic having little experience and Zach/Ball having none.

Chicago also has some flaws you feel like you could probably exploit in a 7 game series that you may not attack as easily individually in a game by game basis.

Either way, while I could see a Raptors fan feeling good if they were the 7 seed and the Bulls were 2 about a potential upset. I wouldn't feel bad about that matchup either as a Bulls fan. No easy outs in the playoffs this year in the East. It's really deep 1-10 and COVID will screw enough teams that the final records won't likely reflect talent.

I expect the seeding to mean less than normal this year and lots of lower seed upsets.


The game tonight is postponed, thankfully. I do not want to take anything away from the Bulls and the season that they are having. I am happy for Bulls fans because as a Raptors fan I know what it is like to struggle for years and how great it feels to be a solid team again. I think we are on the same page though in that it would be warranted for me to think that the Raptors would have a better chance at upsetting the Bulls then say the Nets or Bucks due to the superstars those teams have. I agree with you that outside of the Nets/Bucks seeding means less this year then I can remember in a long time.
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Post#231 » by Dresden » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:11 pm

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MGB8 wrote:Right now I think we're all hoping that Omicron does end up as mild as the initial data out of South Africa and other places suggests.

Note that while the vaccines basically produce zero antibody protection against Omicron - with the potential exception of a person who was *recently* boosted with the Moderna booster - Omicron looks mild without any vaccine protection. South Africa is about 26% vaccinated, ahead of the US in Omicron by a month or so, and yet has not had a surge in mortality.

And also, just because the vaccine doesn't provoke a high immediate antibody response does not mean that they don't help other immune-mechanisms, like T-cell immunity. Although that's also unclear. In fact, there's some data out there to suggest that vaccinated may be more at risk for catching Omicron and getting (mildly) sick from it (by prompting a "mismatched" response to Omicron that isn't very effective - i.e., "vaccine induced enhancement"). But that's all very speculative.


Moderna just released a finding that a booster spikes antibodies to Covid by 37%. There was no word of how long that spike lasts, and they also are not sure what means on a clinical level, but obviously the hope is that it will prevent you from getting infected in the first place, or if you do, the case will be even milder.

There is also the thought to increase their booster to double the current level, which could boost antibodies even more. Apparently that is a decision public health officials will need to make.


FYI, a happy correction here: a Moderna booster doesn't raise antibodies 37%, it raises them 37 times, i.e. 3700%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/20/moderna-says-booster-of-its-covid-vaccine-appears-to-protect-against-omicron.html

Pfizer's booster raises antibodies by 25x.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/booster-shots-and-omicron-is-moderna-or-pfizer-performing-better-heres-the-data-so-far/2711734/

I'm not sure what MGB8 meant when he said that "the vaccines basically produce zero antibody protection against Omicron." This is obviously not true and also leaves out that vaccines provide protection beyond antibodies, like T-cells, which should be more durable than antibodies.


thank you for the correction!
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Post#232 » by Dresden » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:17 pm

MGB8 wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Moderna just released a finding that a booster spikes antibodies to Covid by 37%. There was no word of how long that spike lasts, and they also are not sure what means on a clinical level, but obviously the hope is that it will prevent you from getting infected in the first place, or if you do, the case will be even milder.

There is also the thought to increase their booster to double the current level, which could boost antibodies even more. Apparently that is a decision public health officials will need to make.


FYI, a happy correction here: a Moderna booster doesn't raise antibodies 37%, it raises them 37 times, i.e. 3700%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/20/moderna-says-booster-of-its-covid-vaccine-appears-to-protect-against-omicron.html

Pfizer's booster raises antibodies by 25x.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/booster-shots-and-omicron-is-moderna-or-pfizer-performing-better-heres-the-data-so-far/2711734/

I'm not sure what MGB8 meant when he said that "the vaccines basically produce zero antibody protection against Omicron." This is obviously not true and also leaves out that vaccines provide protection beyond antibodies, like T-cells, which should be more durable than antibodies.


Read: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-study-suggests-covid-19-vaccines-may-be-ineffective-against-omicron-without-2021-12-14/


What I understand from that article is that 2 shots of the vaccines produced few antibodies, but 2 shots PLUS a booster DID produce significant amounts of antibodies against Omicron.

My question for health professionals: why would the booster make such a big difference when the vaccine itself does not? Could it be the time lag- maybe if the vaccines were administered more recently they would have shown protection, so it's really the time factor that is the key element? Or is there something about getting that 3 injection that suddenly makes the difference?
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Post#233 » by sco » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:43 pm

I was going to ask mods to change thread title as it was confusing with upcoming Raptors game, but it proved prophetic. May just want to change to COVID topics anyway.
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Post#234 » by MGB8 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:11 pm

Dresden wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
FYI, a happy correction here: a Moderna booster doesn't raise antibodies 37%, it raises them 37 times, i.e. 3700%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/20/moderna-says-booster-of-its-covid-vaccine-appears-to-protect-against-omicron.html

Pfizer's booster raises antibodies by 25x.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/booster-shots-and-omicron-is-moderna-or-pfizer-performing-better-heres-the-data-so-far/2711734/

I'm not sure what MGB8 meant when he said that "the vaccines basically produce zero antibody protection against Omicron." This is obviously not true and also leaves out that vaccines provide protection beyond antibodies, like T-cells, which should be more durable than antibodies.


Read: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-study-suggests-covid-19-vaccines-may-be-ineffective-against-omicron-without-2021-12-14/


What I understand from that article is that 2 shots of the vaccines produced few antibodies, but 2 shots PLUS a booster DID produce significant amounts of antibodies against Omicron.

My question for health professionals: why would the booster make such a big difference when the vaccine itself does not? Could it be the time lag- maybe if the vaccines were administered more recently they would have shown protection, so it's really the time factor that is the key element? Or is there something about getting that 3 injection that suddenly makes the difference?


Not in the field (though I did do pharma defense for a couple of years) - but my understanding is that's (1) both can be at play, but (2) it's likely to be much more the former than the latter.

When you get sick - naturally - you show antibodies for a while, but they fade over time. If the same virus comes to infect you again very quickly, your existing antibodies quickly come into play, and production also gets ramped up quickly.

But after a while, that effect goes away - but not the bulk of your immunity, which is from other cells that have, for lack of a better term, "remembered" how to combat the virus (to include how to build the appropriate antibodies - but ramping up production doesn't happen as quickly).

Repeated exposure (to include repeated vaccination) - particularly at the correct intervals - is in some/many ways similar to a person being taught something several times - the reinforcement makes it "more likely to stick." Not in the same way that a human learns (although, frankly, we know less about that and how knowledge is stored in the human brain / nervous system than we pretend to), but at least in something that is reasonably analogous.

Anyway, the reason I say the former much more than the later is that the quick high antibody level response to a relatively minor infection is, extrapolating from the basics (the above, which is consistent with what we know happens with, say, the MMR series that kids get early on - reduced antibodies versus other mechanisms of immunity years down the line), more likely to be due to recent vaccination as opposed to repeat. But that doesn't mean that repeat doesn't factor in at all. And measuring immunity just via antibody response is very much just a partial story.

Edit: the one major caveat that I'd add is it's not like these vaccines were administrated years ago. We're talking months - so the fact that so little antibody response is detected after a two dose series is somewhat concerning re the general effectiveness of the vaccines as to Omicron. And even the antibody response from the booster, while very much increased versus the two dose (or one dose), was, if I recall what I was reading correctly, not nearly as high as compared to the prior variants. BUT... if Omicron is also milder.... may not be a big deal. And what may be a big deal is the multi-spike vaccine being developed by the US Army (see today's NY Post article).
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Post#235 » by fleet » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:05 pm

NZB2323 wrote:With Omricron and the winter wave the NBA may have to postpone a bunch of games and reschedule the start of the playoffs.

I mean, the number of cases is only going to keep rising all around the NBA and with fans. At what point would it be possible to return to action?
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Post#236 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:25 pm

MGB8 wrote:
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What I understand from that article is that 2 shots of the vaccines produced few antibodies, but 2 shots PLUS a booster DID produce significant amounts of antibodies against Omicron.

My question for health professionals: why would the booster make such a big difference when the vaccine itself does not? Could it be the time lag- maybe if the vaccines were administered more recently they would have shown protection, so it's really the time factor that is the key element? Or is there something about getting that 3 injection that suddenly makes the difference?


Not in the field (though I did do pharma defense for a couple of years) - but my understanding is that's (1) both can be at play, but (2) it's likely to be much more the former than the latter.

When you get sick - naturally - you show antibodies for a while, but they fade over time. If the same virus comes to infect you again very quickly, your existing antibodies quickly come into play, and production also gets ramped up quickly.

But after a while, that effect goes away - but not the bulk of your immunity, which is from other cells that have, for lack of a better term, "remembered" how to combat the virus (to include how to build the appropriate antibodies - but ramping up production doesn't happen as quickly).

Repeated exposure (to include repeated vaccination) - particularly at the correct intervals - is in some/many ways similar to a person being taught something several times - the reinforcement makes it "more likely to stick." Not in the same way that a human learns (although, frankly, we know less about that and how knowledge is stored in the human brain / nervous system than we pretend to), but at least in something that is reasonably analogous.

Anyway, the reason I say the former much more than the later is that the quick high antibody level response to a relatively minor infection is, extrapolating from the basics (the above, which is consistent with what we know happens with, say, the MMR series that kids get early on - reduced antibodies versus other mechanisms of immunity years down the line), more likely to be due to recent vaccination as opposed to repeat. But that doesn't mean that repeat doesn't factor in at all. And measuring immunity just via antibody response is very much just a partial story.

Edit: the one major caveat that I'd add is it's not like these vaccines were administrated years ago. We're talking months - so the fact that so little antibody response is detected after a two dose series is somewhat concerning re the general effectiveness of the vaccines as to Omicron. And even the antibody response from the booster, while very much increased versus the two dose (or one dose), was, if I recall what I was reading correctly, not nearly as high as compared to the prior variants. BUT... if Omicron is also milder.... may not be a big deal. And what may be a big deal is the multi-spike vaccine being developed by the US Army (see today's NY Post article).


One related thing I've read is that we basically know now that the 21-28 interval between the first and second doses is sub-optimal in terms of creating a more durable antibody response, but we keep doing it that way b/c that's how the vaccines were tested. It's like we knew pretty early on that a second J&J shot would help, but still kept calling J&J people "fully vaccinated" after a single shot. There seems to be some hope that the booster vaccine, with its 6-month or more interval from your initial shots, may be more durable. But I'm pretty open to (and fine with) the idea that we may be getting COVID vaccines at least once a year, like the flu vaccine, for the foreseeable future.
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Post#237 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:28 pm

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NZB2323 wrote:With Omricron and the winter wave the NBA may have to postpone a bunch of games and reschedule the start of the playoffs.

I mean, the number of cases is only going to keep rising all around the NBA and with fans. At what point would it be possible to return to action?


Is it? I don't know whether this is optimistic of pessimistic of me, but it seems like at the current case rate, Omicron is pretty much going to tear through the league over the next couple of months and then it's likely resolved (until the Omega variant or whatever).

It also seems likely the NBA is going to change its testing protocols to avoid finding positive tests in asymptomatic players. Donovan said something like 2/3 of the Bulls players who tested positive in this recent outbreak were asymptomatic. If you weren't testing asymptomatic people, you wouldn't have so many players missing time.
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Post#238 » by fleet » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:43 pm

I’m just going to guess that when/if the NFL and NBA start trying to hide asymtomatic covid carriers, that’s not going to be well-received if it gains media attention
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Post#239 » by jnrjr79 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:29 pm

fleet wrote:I’m just going to guess that when/if the NFL and NBA start trying to hide asymtomatic covid carriers, that’s not going to be well-received if it gains media attention


There's actually a piece in the Athletic about it today talking to some public health folks about it.

I think it could break either way. The general sense seems to be that if you're not asymptomatic, you're also probably not contagious. My guess is there are lots of asymptomatic people walking around doing their regular jobs in life right now, if for no other reason than their workplaces aren't testing them several times a week, so they never know they are infected. But I also agree that once you implement these testing protocols, changing them to intentionally miss cases may make people cringe.
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Post#240 » by Dresden » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:48 am

fleet wrote:I’m just going to guess that when/if the NFL and NBA start trying to hide asymtomatic covid carriers, that’s not going to be well-received if it gains media attention


Where was it said that these leagues were going to start trying to hide cases? That implies they know players are positive, but somehow don't report that. If they stop testing players who don't have symptoms, no one will ever know if these players were infected or not. The leagues might come under criticism for not doing more testing, but I don't see how anyone could say they were trying to hide players status, if they themselves didn't know.

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