Shams/Woj Kyrie is Back for Road Games UPDATE: Entered COVID Protocol

[Hello Brooklyn]

The vaccines may not help too much with Omicron.

There is still no incentive at all for NYC legislators to repeal the mandate. Cases are exploding the mandate is largely popular in NYC. It has definitely forced a ton of people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not be.

There is no real reason to repeal it other than to let Kyrie Irving play. It won't happen.

[Prokorov]

The vaccines may not help too much with Omicron.

There is still no incentive at all for NYC legislators to repeal the mandate. Cases are exploding the mandate is largely popular in NYC. It has definitely forced a ton of people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not be.

There is no real reason to repeal it other than to let Kyrie Irving play. It won't happen.

Revise not repeal.

having testing as an option (lines up with bidens plan) gets millions back to work.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The vaccines may not help too much with Omicron.

There is still no incentive at all for NYC legislators to repeal the mandate. Cases are exploding the mandate is largely popular in NYC. It has definitely forced a ton of people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not be.

There is no real reason to repeal it other than to let Kyrie Irving play. It won't happen.

Revise not repeal.

having testing as an option (lines up with bidens plan) gets millions back to work.

Doesn't matter. It won't be repealed when its broadly popular and cases are rising rapidly.

There is also no evidence that millions are being kept from work due to the mandate. It only applies to restaurants, stadiums, gyms etc.

90% of adults in NYC are already vaccinated anyway.

[Prokorov]

The vaccines may not help too much with Omicron.

There is still no incentive at all for NYC legislators to repeal the mandate. Cases are exploding the mandate is largely popular in NYC. It has definitely forced a ton of people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not be.

There is no real reason to repeal it other than to let Kyrie Irving play. It won't happen.

Revise not repeal.

having testing as an option (lines up with bidens plan) gets millions back to work.

Doesn't matter. It won't be repealed when its broadly popular and cases are rising rapidly.

There is also no evidence that millions are being kept from work due to the mandate. It only applies to restaurants, stadiums, gyms etc.

90% of adults in NYC are already vaccinated anyway.

again not repeal, revise. something that has already been done to the mandate twice.

infection on the rise and out of control shows the mandate isnt having the best effect vs the new strain. testing has become just as important since omicron breaks through and is mostly asymptomatic. you could be vaxxed, have it, not know it, and spread it.

the mandate will either need to be revised to include booster + testing or require testing only. (2 ends of the spectrum).

either way it needs to be revised, since its doing nothing at the moment

[MrDollarBills]

Revise not repeal.

having testing as an option (lines up with bidens plan) gets millions back to work.

Doesn't matter. It won't be repealed when its broadly popular and cases are rising rapidly.

There is also no evidence that millions are being kept from work due to the mandate. It only applies to restaurants, stadiums, gyms etc.

90% of adults in NYC are already vaccinated anyway.

again not repeal, revise. something that has already been done to the mandate twice.

infection on the rise and out of control shows the mandate isnt having the best effect vs the new strain. testing has become just as important since omicron breaks through and is mostly asymptomatic. you could be vaxxed, have it, not know it, and spread it.

the mandate will either need to be revised to include booster + testing or require testing only. (2 ends of the spectrum).

either way it needs to be revised, since its doing nothing at the moment

Disagree. The mandate is the reason why NYC isn't revisiting the horror that was April of 2020. The uptick of hospitalizations are primarily the unvaccinated, who predictably are paying the price for being selfish.

Remember: the vaccine is to keep people from severe illness that requires hospitalizations or results in death. Asymptomatic and mild infections among the highly vaxxed NYC population in the face of a new strain is actually a great sign that the vaccine and the mandate is working. We just have to hope that the vaccine is turning this thing into a simple cold/flu that we will learn to live with. Right now, it isn't as effective against the spread, but it is keeping people's lungs from becoming toxic waste.

I'm sure as we get towards April/May, mandates will be revisited/reassessed as the cooler weather begins to subside.

IMO masking up is going to play a bigger role in stopping the spread. Mask mandates should have never been dropped, period.

[MrDollarBills]

The vaccines may not help too much with Omicron.

There is still no incentive at all for NYC legislators to repeal the mandate. Cases are exploding the mandate is largely popular in NYC. It has definitely forced a ton of people to get vaccinated who otherwise would not be.

There is no real reason to repeal it other than to let Kyrie Irving play. It won't happen.

Revise not repeal.

having testing as an option (lines up with bidens plan) gets millions back to work.

Doesn't matter. It won't be repealed when its broadly popular and cases are rising rapidly.

There is also no evidence that millions are being kept from work due to the mandate. It only applies to restaurants, stadiums, gyms etc.

90% of adults in NYC are already vaccinated anyway.

93% of NYC's workforce is vaccinated. The idea that millions of people are being kept out of work is just not true.

Antivaxxers are a loud, but small minority at least over here in the northeastern USA. It's the states that have vax rates that are 54% and below like Alabama and Mississippi that are about to get torched

[Hello Brooklyn]

Revise not repeal.

having testing as an option (lines up with bidens plan) gets millions back to work.

Doesn't matter. It won't be repealed when its broadly popular and cases are rising rapidly.

There is also no evidence that millions are being kept from work due to the mandate. It only applies to restaurants, stadiums, gyms etc.

90% of adults in NYC are already vaccinated anyway.

again not repeal, revise. something that has already been done to the mandate twice.

infection on the rise and out of control shows the mandate isnt having the best effect vs the new strain. testing has become just as important since omicron breaks through and is mostly asymptomatic. you could be vaxxed, have it, not know it, and spread it.

the mandate will either need to be revised to include booster + testing or require testing only. (2 ends of the spectrum).

either way it needs to be revised, since its doing nothing at the moment

It won't be revised either in a way that allows the unvaccinated more access to things.

The vaccine still prevents illness and death from the new strain. It also reduces the spread.

I would love Kyrie to play. But there is simply no incentive for NYC to change anything.

[TheNetsFan]

Doesn't matter. It won't be repealed when its broadly popular and cases are rising rapidly.

There is also no evidence that millions are being kept from work due to the mandate. It only applies to restaurants, stadiums, gyms etc.

90% of adults in NYC are already vaccinated anyway.

again not repeal, revise. something that has already been done to the mandate twice.

infection on the rise and out of control shows the mandate isnt having the best effect vs the new strain. testing has become just as important since omicron breaks through and is mostly asymptomatic. you could be vaxxed, have it, not know it, and spread it.

the mandate will either need to be revised to include booster + testing or require testing only. (2 ends of the spectrum).

either way it needs to be revised, since its doing nothing at the moment

It won't be revised either in a way that allows the unvaccinated more access to things.

The vaccine still prevents illness and death from the new strain. It also reduces the spread.

I would love Kyrie to play. But there is simply no incentive for NYC to change anything.

The vaccine does not prevent illness and death. It does reduce severity. It certainly is not reducing spread with respect to Omicron which now accounts for over 90% of all new cases in NYC & the surrounding area, and at last check over 73% of all new cases nationally.

When it comes to a revision, it could be as minor as an exclusion for performers/workers, much the way other cities have the mandate for fan/customer attendance only.

[Hello Brooklyn]

again not repeal, revise. something that has already been done to the mandate twice.

infection on the rise and out of control shows the mandate isnt having the best effect vs the new strain. testing has become just as important since omicron breaks through and is mostly asymptomatic. you could be vaxxed, have it, not know it, and spread it.

the mandate will either need to be revised to include booster + testing or require testing only. (2 ends of the spectrum).

either way it needs to be revised, since its doing nothing at the moment

It won't be revised either in a way that allows the unvaccinated more access to things.

The vaccine still prevents illness and death from the new strain. It also reduces the spread.

I would love Kyrie to play. But there is simply no incentive for NYC to change anything.

The vaccine does not prevent illness and death. It does reduce severity. It certainly is not reducing spread with respect to Omicron which now accounts for over 90% of all new cases in NYC & the surrounding area, and at last check over 73% of all new cases nationally.

When it comes to a revision, it could be as minor as an exclusion for performers/workers, much the way other cities have the mandate for fan/customer attendance only.

What exactly is the difference between prevents or severely reduces

Not sure what point youre trying to make.

The point is nearly all of the people dying are unvaccinated.

And yes it still does reduce the spread. Even if not by much for the new variant.

Not to mention the other variants are still around! And spreading.

Why would they make this exclusion? For what purpose? Just for Kyrie?

The vast majority of workers have gotten it. The mandate is working.

[MrDollarBills]

again not repeal, revise. something that has already been done to the mandate twice.

infection on the rise and out of control shows the mandate isnt having the best effect vs the new strain. testing has become just as important since omicron breaks through and is mostly asymptomatic. you could be vaxxed, have it, not know it, and spread it.

the mandate will either need to be revised to include booster + testing or require testing only. (2 ends of the spectrum).

either way it needs to be revised, since its doing nothing at the moment

It won't be revised either in a way that allows the unvaccinated more access to things.

The vaccine still prevents illness and death from the new strain. It also reduces the spread.

I would love Kyrie to play. But there is simply no incentive for NYC to change anything.

The vaccine does not prevent illness and death. It does reduce severity. It certainly is not reducing spread with respect to Omicron which now accounts for over 90% of all new cases in NYC & the surrounding area, and at last check over 73% of all new cases nationally.

When it comes to a revision, it could be as minor as an exclusion for performers/workers, much the way other cities have the mandate for fan/customer attendance only.

The vaccines + booster lower the risk of severe illness and death substantially even against the new strain.

[TheNetsFan]

It won't be revised either in a way that allows the unvaccinated more access to things.

The vaccine still prevents illness and death from the new strain. It also reduces the spread.

I would love Kyrie to play. But there is simply no incentive for NYC to change anything.

The vaccine does not prevent illness and death. It does reduce severity. It certainly is not reducing spread with respect to Omicron which now accounts for over 90% of all new cases in NYC & the surrounding area, and at last check over 73% of all new cases nationally.

When it comes to a revision, it could be as minor as an exclusion for performers/workers, much the way other cities have the mandate for fan/customer attendance only.

What exactly is the difference between prevents or severely reduces

Not sure what point youre trying to make.

The point is nearly all of the people dying are unvaccinated.

And yes it still does reduce the spread. Even if not by much for the new variant.

Not to mention the other variants are still around! And spreading.

Why would they make this exclusion? For what purpose? Just for Kyrie?

The vast majority of workers have gotten it. The mandate is working.

Prevent means you don't get infected, you don't have symptoms, and you do not become contagious. Reducing severity means you do get sick, you are contagious, but the impact on you is more mild (lower risk of hospitalization and death).

Vaccines are not reducing spread of Omicron. The r value of Omicron is estimated to be about double peak Delta which was about 5, and during a comparatively lower rate of vaccination. So if the Omicron variant has an r value of about 10, that means on average every infected person will infect 10 others. For comparison, Delta's r value is currently about 1 and declining. Vaccines are effective against Delta and help, but Omicron, not the vaccine, is going to be the nail in the Delta coffin.

As for why they make the exclusion, it wouldn't just be just for Kyrie. It could be a step towards a return to normalcy, e.g. more concerts or events that can occur in NYC, or to offset a labor shortage.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The vaccine does not prevent illness and death. It does reduce severity. It certainly is not reducing spread with respect to Omicron which now accounts for over 90% of all new cases in NYC & the surrounding area, and at last check over 73% of all new cases nationally.

When it comes to a revision, it could be as minor as an exclusion for performers/workers, much the way other cities have the mandate for fan/customer attendance only.

What exactly is the difference between prevents or severely reduces

Not sure what point youre trying to make.

The point is nearly all of the people dying are unvaccinated.

And yes it still does reduce the spread. Even if not by much for the new variant.

Not to mention the other variants are still around! And spreading.

Why would they make this exclusion? For what purpose? Just for Kyrie?

The vast majority of workers have gotten it. The mandate is working.

Prevent means you don't get infected, you don't have symptoms, and you do not become contagious. Reducing severity means you do get sick, you are contagious, but the impact on you is more mild (lower risk of hospitalization and death).

Vaccines are not reducing spread of Omicron. The r value of Omicron is estimated to be about double peak Delta which was about 5, and during a comparatively lower rate of vaccination. So if the Omicron variant has an r value of about 10, that means on average every infected person will infect 10 others. For comparison, Delta's r value is currently about 1 and declining. Vaccines are effective against Delta and help, but Omicron, not the vaccine, is going to be the nail in the Delta coffin.

As for why they make the exclusion, it wouldn't just be just for Kyrie. It could be a step towards a return to normalcy, e.g. more concerts or events that can occur in NYC, or to offset a labor shortage.

Prevent does not mean you don't get infected lol. Idk where you got that from. In fact the CDC uses the word "prevent" specifically when referring to vaccines

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

Yes it is. The CDC states that the vaccines do slow the spread of Omicron. Pretty sure I trust them over your random calculations. Someone who isn't an expert on this.

We don't need a "return to normalcy" when people are still dying of the disease. Youre entirely focused on Omicron when there are still other variants that are much less likely to spread with the vaccinated.

You may want it to be repealed. But it will not be.

[TheNetsFan]

What exactly is the difference between prevents or severely reduces

Not sure what point youre trying to make.

The point is nearly all of the people dying are unvaccinated.

And yes it still does reduce the spread. Even if not by much for the new variant.

Not to mention the other variants are still around! And spreading.

Why would they make this exclusion? For what purpose? Just for Kyrie?

The vast majority of workers have gotten it. The mandate is working.

Prevent means you don't get infected, you don't have symptoms, and you do not become contagious. Reducing severity means you do get sick, you are contagious, but the impact on you is more mild (lower risk of hospitalization and death).

Vaccines are not reducing spread of Omicron. The r value of Omicron is estimated to be about double peak Delta which was about 5, and during a comparatively lower rate of vaccination. So if the Omicron variant has an r value of about 10, that means on average every infected person will infect 10 others. For comparison, Delta's r value is currently about 1 and declining. Vaccines are effective against Delta and help, but Omicron, not the vaccine, is going to be the nail in the Delta coffin.

As for why they make the exclusion, it wouldn't just be just for Kyrie. It could be a step towards a return to normalcy, e.g. more concerts or events that can occur in NYC, or to offset a labor shortage.

Prevent does not mean you don't get infected lol. Idk where you got that from. In fact the CDC uses the word "prevent" specifically when referring to vaccines

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

Yes it is. The CDC states that the vaccines do slow the spread of Omicron. Pretty sure I trust them over your random calculations. Someone who isn't an expert on this.

We don't need a "return to normalcy" when people are still dying of the disease. Youre entirely focused on Omicron when there are still other variants that are much less likely to spread with the vaccinated.

You may want it to be repealed. But it will not be.

Quote the sections from that page, because the ONLY place prevent is mentioned is with respect to masks.

To maximize protection from the virus that causes COVID-19 and prevent possibly spreading it to others, you should wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission even if you are fully vaccinated.

Omicron is the only variant that matters at this point. The other variants are disappearing or gone already. Over 90% of all new cases in the NYC area are Omicron. I also don't know why you are calling published data my random calculations. I can assure you that I am not calculating R naught values. It is important to understand the concept of R naught though. You hear more and more experts coming out and saying that everyone will have a date with Omicron. It is critical to be vaccinated, boostered and eventually reboostered (early data shows a big drop in booster effectiveness after 10 weeks) to minimize effects and stay out of the hospital or morgue. Just don't think that it will curb spread of this variant.