Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market

[Skybox]

In a vacuum Sabonis should be number 1 by a mile but…how many teams need him/can give him the role he succeeds in while having solid fitting pieces to put around him? His market may be suppressed just due to his play style. On the flip side, Turner and Siakam would make sense on way more teams and could see their value stealthily rise due to it.

I’d say it’s…
Siakam
Sabonis
Turner
-gap-
Val
Wood (Who I’d put into the running of most overrated trade value by the board)

I strongly agree. I love Sabonis-but, like Vucevic, he would be marginalized on a team where he's in a secondary role...which is fine if that's understood and correctly monetized. He would still be a great contributor because of his BBIQ and versatility, but his stat lines would drop and people would jump to conclusions that aren't really fair...You would think he and Turner would be perfectly complementary to one another, but there are constant questions about fit. One has to consider why...Sabonis is the best player on the list, but I don't think he has the highest trade value...

Siakim
Turner
Sabonis
Val
Wood
(I don't think Nurk belongs anywhere near this list and it's even compounded due to him needing to be re-upped or lost. CHA should find a way to get him cheap and check the chemistry)

[cl2117]

This is a really interesting one. I'm surprised Jonas is so low on people's lists and Siakam so high. Maybe I'm placing too much emphasis on the contracts as part of it, but I'll be controversial and go:

Sabonis
Turner
Jonas
Siakam
Wood

In terms of talent Siakam would be #2, but I just think Pascal's deal is a killer in terms of trade value. It all really depends on the team though doesn't it (both receiving and sending). i can see Toronto not giving up on Siakam for anything less than a Sabonis like return because of his talent and NOP selling Jonas since they're currently a bottom feeder, so it's an odd one to try and gauge objectively.

Edit: upon further reflection I'm definitely underrating Siakam here, but I said I'd be controversial so I'll let it stand.

[shrink]

Good poll. I agree with eminence, and I applaud him for his concise synopsis

Sabonis - very good player, good deal, 2.5 years
Turner - very good player, good deal, only 1.5 years
Siakam - very good player, meh deal, 2.5 years
Valanciunas - good player, good deal, 2.5 years
Wood - good player, good deal, 1.5 years

I also wanted to touch on this..

In a vacuum Sabonis should be number 1 by a mile but…how many teams need him/can give him the role he succeeds in while having solid fitting pieces to put around him? His market may be suppressed just due to his play style. On the flip side, Turner and Siakam would make sense on way more teams and could see their value stealthily rise due to it.

I agree with the sentiment here, that Turner and Siakim are more plug-and-play. However, a player doesn’t need to be attractive to a lot of teams to have good trade value - he just needs to be attractive to two, so they have to outbid each other to get max trade value. I agree Sabonis is more talented, but I think with that talent, he would draw at least two teams that would love to have him, so he’s tops for my list with a gap.

[MKWB]

Can someone make the case for Turner being a difference maker? Seems like the idea of him (3 & D blocker/ rim protector) overshadows his actual production and weaknesses.

Will be interesting what value he will return if he gets traded, and/or what his next contract will be.

[daoneandonly]

I'd say

Sabonis
Siakim
Turner
Val
Wood

[HornetJail]

Sabonis
Turner

Siakam

Wood
Valanciunas

[oldncreaky]

Are we ranking value for the play-offs, or for the regular season?

For the regular season, I care a lot about contract cost as well as production on the court, so I'd go with
1. Sabonis
2. JV
3. Turner
4. Wood
5. Siakim

In the play-offs, teams adjust, and you just want to win, and you want the players who will be on the court no matter what the cost/tax because they can play in any situation, so I'd go with

1. Siakim (the only one of the five who won't be game-planned off the floor)
. . .
2. Turner
. . .
. . .
3. JV
4. Sabonis
. . .
. . .
5. Wood (might be higher, but has no track record, and it's a bad sign that he pouts when he doesn't get enough touches)

[MoneyTalks41890]

Valanciunas isnt on the trade market. Guess he's ranked lowest for some people due to him being the oldest (29) and the most traditional post-orieneted C. But check the stats and watch the games, he does everything better than Turner except block shots (overrated defensive stat).

Val is really good, I don't think this is a knock. It's a pretty solid group of players. But Val is older and this level of production is new for him. I think he'd still fetch a very solid return on the trade market.

[NYG]

The difference in rankings is interesting in this thread.

[Ballerhogger]

A lot people picking sabonis .. isn’t he defensive liability ?

[cl2117]

Valanciunas isnt on the trade market. Guess he's ranked lowest for some people due to him being the oldest (29) and the most traditional post-orieneted C. But check the stats and watch the games, he does everything better than Turner except block shots (overrated defensive stat).

Val is really good, I don't think this is a knock. It's a pretty solid group of players. But Val is older and this level of production is new for him. I think he'd still fetch a very solid return on the trade market.

Gotta love that contract extension though. So cheap for the production he's putting up. I know older traditional bigs fall off earlier, so maybe it evens out over time, but that extra year being cheap compared to Wood/Turner is a needle mover for me. And Siakam's money is a big needle mover in the other direction.

It's really funny how quickly people start to worry extensions these days. I feel like that's a new phenomenon or at least more pronounced than it used to be. It's like guys hit 2 years left on their deals and they're talked about as if they're expiring. I guess it's just all the player mobility and the fear of losing talent for nothing, which can be killer.

[psman2]

Valanciunas isnt on the trade market. Guess he's ranked lowest for some people due to him being the oldest (29) and the most traditional post-orieneted C. But check the stats and watch the games, he does everything better than Turner except block shots (overrated defensive stat).

Val is really good, I don't think this is a knock. It's a pretty solid group of players. But Val is older and this level of production is new for him. I think he'd still fetch a very solid return on the trade market.

Is it really? I guess people really don't watch Memphis games. This year he getting 1.5 points more with -.5 rebounds less in 3 more minutes shooting -.30 points lower in TS is not exactly what I would call a new level of production. Now he is shooting one extra 3 at a nice clip but he has been adding that do his game already the last two years so it not like this facet was out of no where.

The only thing that has changed is this first time he is getting 30 minutes, but he is in line on his per 36 with worse efficiency which is to be expected when you go up in minutes but play on a depleted team.

My ranking

Sabonis
Turner
Siakam

Gap

Wood
Val

[MoneyTalks41890]

Valanciunas isnt on the trade market. Guess he's ranked lowest for some people due to him being the oldest (29) and the most traditional post-orieneted C. But check the stats and watch the games, he does everything better than Turner except block shots (overrated defensive stat).

Val is really good, I don't think this is a knock. It's a pretty solid group of players. But Val is older and this level of production is new for him. I think he'd still fetch a very solid return on the trade market.

Is it really? I guess people really don't watch Memphis games. This year he getting 1.5 points more with -.5 rebounds less in 3 more minutes shooting -.30 points lower in TS is not exactly what I would call a new level of production. Now he is shooting one extra 3 at a nice clip but he has been adding that do his game already the last two years so it not like this facet was out of no where.

The only thing that has changed is this first time he is getting 30 minutes, but he is in line on his per 36 with worse efficiency which is to be expected when you go up in minutes but play on a depleted team.

My ranking

Sabonis
Turner
Siakam

Gap

Wood
Val

He went from 37% on 1 attempt from 3 a game to 45% on 2.3 attempts per game. That's a dramatically different player in impact if it holds.

[meekrab]

Nurkic being an expiring contract should be on any top 5 list

Who are you clearing cap space for?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

[psman2]

Val is really good, I don't think this is a knock. It's a pretty solid group of players. But Val is older and this level of production is new for him. I think he'd still fetch a very solid return on the trade market.

Is it really? I guess people really don't watch Memphis games. This year he getting 1.5 points more with -.5 rebounds less in 3 more minutes shooting -.30 points lower in TS is not exactly what I would call a new level of production. Now he is shooting one extra 3 at a nice clip but he has been adding that do his game already the last two years so it not like this facet was out of no where.

The only thing that has changed is this first time he is getting 30 minutes, but he is in line on his per 36 with worse efficiency which is to be expected when you go up in minutes but play on a depleted team.

My ranking

Sabonis
Turner
Siakam

Gap

Wood
Val

He went from 37% on 1 attempt from 3 a game to 45% on 2.3 attempts per game. That's a dramatically different player in impact if it holds.

1 attempt at any clip is not a drastically different player...come on...if it was 3+ more attempts then I can get behind that take. And the law of averages will kick on that percentage jump. But regardless his offense is more inefficient this year even with him knocking down an extra 3 at 45%.

His super slow release is not going to allow him to get 5+ attempts per game, plus he only really like to take them above the key. He takes 1.8 attempts when he is wide open, and the other .5 when he is open. So he not going to be running to the corner and stretching out the floor on huge attempts any time soon imo.

[pacers33granger]

Can someone make the case for Turner being a difference maker? Seems like the idea of him (3 & D blocker/ rim protector) overshadows his actual production and weaknesses.

Will be interesting what value he will return if he gets traded, and/or what his next contract will be.

He's not as good as some believe him to be. Bur he's still really good. I don't have the stats in front of me but he's been far and away the best defender on the team (sometimes the only plus defender) for years now. The stats and eye test typically have backed this up.

And he's been jerked around the most of any Pacer. He slid over to PF and worked on perimeter d so Domas could start. He's routinely been asked to change his role, hence his comments a few weeks ago.

He's not on the level of Gobert but no one is.

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[Def Leppard]

Siakam
Sabonis
Val
Turner
Other

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[NYG]

Can someone make the case for Turner being a difference maker? Seems like the idea of him (3 & D blocker/ rim protector) overshadows his actual production and weaknesses.

Will be interesting what value he will return if he gets traded, and/or what his next contract will be.

He's not as good as some believe him to be. Bur he's still really good. I don't have the stats in front of me but he's been far and away the best defender on the team (sometimes the only plus defender) for years now. The stats and eye test typically have backed this up.

And he's been jerked around the most of any Pacer. He slid over to PF and worked on perimeter d so Domas could start. He's routinely been asked to change his role, hence his comments a few weeks ago.

He's not on the level of Gobert but no one is.

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Yeah Turner at center with a franchise determined to maximize what he can do could be a whole new level of player IMO.

[NYG]

Good poll. I agree with eminence, and I applaud him for his concise synopsis

Sabonis - very good player, good deal, 2.5 years
Turner - very good player, good deal, only 1.5 years
Siakam - very good player, meh deal, 2.5 years
Valanciunas - good player, good deal, 2.5 years
Wood - good player, good deal, 1.5 years

I agree with the breakdown...

Siakam is on the same level as Sabonis and Turner on the court, but the contract is worse.

I would put Sabonis at 2 and Turner at 1 honestly. His ability to shoot and defend are just such a nice skill-set to have in your line-up.

Something around Siakam for Turner and LeVert?

[Duffman100]

Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?