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Post#401 » by flaco » Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:47 am

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flaco wrote:With the 75th pick, the Rethymno Cretan Kings select Luka's new PnR sidekick: Clint Capela

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  • He's an elite rebounder. Ranks 3rd in the NBA in TRB and TRB%.
  • He's a terrific rim protector. Ranks 10th in the NBA in blocks per game with 1.6.  For reference purposes, Giannis averages the exact same number of blocks. They also share an identical BLK% (4.8 each).
  • He can play D on the perimeter. He contests 2.8 threes per game which is nothing to sneeze at. For reference purposes, Bam contests 2.9 threes.
  • He's a great roller in the PnR thanks to his length and athleticism. Scores 1.28 PPP when rolling to the basket.
  • Most importantly, he's an elite screener. Ranks 4th in the NBA in screen assists per game.

We already know for a fact Capela excels at setting up dominant PnR ball handlers after having served as the running mate of Harden and Trae Young. I reckon he's a perfect fit next to Luka! To a lesser extent, the same goes for Hayward who can also run the PnR. Good luck trying to stop the Luka-Capela PnR!

PG: Luka
SG: Brown
SF: Hayward
PF: Anunoby
C: Capela


You are on the clock.

Another player which is weird still left on the board. Considering picking him up as sixth player in my last pick.


I think Capela has regressed this season, which may have caused the drop in where he normally would go. I do love that Luka/Clint PNR though, that will be fun!

He's still a terrific player at what he does well: setting picks, rolling hard to the basket, protecting the rim, grabbing rebounds on both ends of the floor.

He also ranks very high in all the advanced stats.

Estimated plus/minus: +2.4 (89th percentile)
Estimated Wins: 3.0 (90th perentile)
WAR RAPTOR: 3.2 (14th best among all players league-wide)
LEBRON: 3.08 (15th best)
WS/48: 1.93 (21st best)

I reckon he's the perfect glue guy alongside a dominant PnR ball handler like Luka.
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Post#402 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:12 am

What I was interested to see is how some archetypes were going to perform in the draft and, later, in the tournament.
One was the rim running and rim protecting big:
8 Gobert
28 Allen
75 Capela

I think the's less of a difference between Capela and Allen than the number of picks would suggest.

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Post#403 » by Dutchball97 » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:44 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:What I was interested to see is how some archetypes were going to perform in the draft and, later, in the tournament.
One was the rim running and rim protecting big:
8 Gobert
28 Allen
75 Capela

I think the's less of a difference between Capela and Allen than the number of picks would suggest.

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Purely based on this season so far I don't think the gap is too surprising. Allen is likely going to make the All-Star game and is a DPOY candidate, while Capela has struggled a bit. If you're just looking at their skillsets they are comparable but Allen has been a level above Capela on both sides of the ball this year.
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Post#404 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:29 am

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Ryoga Hibiki wrote:What I was interested to see is how some archetypes were going to perform in the draft and, later, in the tournament.
One was the rim running and rim protecting big:
8 Gobert
28 Allen
75 Capela

I think the's less of a difference between Capela and Allen than the number of picks would suggest.

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Purely based on this season so far I don't think the gap is too surprising. Allen is likely going to make the All-Star game and is a DPOY candidate, while Capela has struggled a bit. If you're just looking at their skillsets they are comparable but Allen has been a level above Capela on both sides of the ball this year.
I think the key thing is that Jarrett is a better finisher if not fed a straight line to the basket.
He can actually get the ball and raise through contact for a dunk or a baby hook, and makes a switch more tricky.
Otoh, Capela looks more switchable to me.

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Post#405 » by Colbinii » Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:12 pm

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Kevin Love

Like the team so far

Gobert
Love
Ingram
Booker
Caruso


wow!
I am surprised he got even drafted!
His numbers are good this year, but you'll need some serious lobbying to the panel to get a positive feedback on him during the games


Love is terrific at what he does--15 to 20 minutes off the bench as a back-up big. If he is a starter he is a massive liability and in certain matchups he is a 10-15 MPG player.
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Post#406 » by trex_8063 » Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:59 pm

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trex_8063 wrote:Kinda surprised it took until the 4th round for Mike Conley to go. Check that: really surprised. Is it a fear that he won't be available come playoff time? That is the one explanation that might make sense to me.

Brandon Ingram seems a steal in the mid-50s, too.

Kinda depends on fit within the roster, I suppose [though Mike Conley can fit a lot of places]. For us spectators, I'll put in the request that people show what their roster looks like with each pick.


Could be because Conley isn't really "Conley" anymore. Injuries aside he does seem to have dropped a tier or two since he left Memphis. A couple of guys are still available for a similar reason I think.


I disagree with the bolded (or at least with the semantic severity ["tier or two"]).

Mike's improved his shooting steadily, particularly since trying to fit in with Utah's 3pt-scramble offense......he's consequently exhibiting the best outside shooting of his entire career right now: >44% from 3pt on >7 3PA/36 (and that's with barely 5 of 9 assisted, and only 1 in 6 coming from the corner).

He's really found his chemistry working the pnr with Rudy, too, either finding the big-man or getting his own with regularity, especially that right-handed short-range push shot: he's hitting a career-best 52.3% in the 3-10' range [that's almost exclusively unassisted], and the 3rd-best finishing rate at the rim of his career [albeit on VERY low volume].
Surely a lot of this is related to the system and the gravity that Rudy has on the roll, but it just shows that Mike can find a way to be effective [even at age 34] in a lot of environments.

And he's got an excellent turnover economy. He's presently delivering 13.7 ppg [on excellent shooting efficiency] and 5.4 apg with only 1.7 topg. And while he's small, that's nothing new: he's always been small, yet was ALWAYS an effective perimeter defender in Memphis. While he might not be quite as good on that end as he was five years ago, he still plays smart and with energy on defense, still has active hands, etc.

In terms of rate metrics: he's an 18.7 PER, .203 WS/48, +4.0 BPM, +17 net rating, and has the 3rd-highest on/off among the starters. This is in somewhat limited minutes (28.0 mpg), although in an era where even the super-stars are frequently playing <35 mpg.

And in his most recent playoff appearances, he was excellent [when available].

So I'll stand by my initial assessment that he's undersold in the mid-50s [nice pick Colbini].


I could back away somewhat from my statement made about Brandon Ingram, though. Doctor MJ pointed it out that lower tier first-option scorers are of less value within the context of this project than they are "in a vacuum" (or in a 30-team league).
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Post#407 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:05 pm

trex_8063 wrote:
Baski wrote:
trex_8063 wrote:Kinda surprised it took until the 4th round for Mike Conley to go. Check that: really surprised. Is it a fear that he won't be available come playoff time? That is the one explanation that might make sense to me.

Brandon Ingram seems a steal in the mid-50s, too.

Kinda depends on fit within the roster, I suppose [though Mike Conley can fit a lot of places]. For us spectators, I'll put in the request that people show what their roster looks like with each pick.


Could be because Conley isn't really "Conley" anymore. Injuries aside he does seem to have dropped a tier or two since he left Memphis. A couple of guys are still available for a similar reason I think.


I disagree with the bolded (or at least with the semantic severity ["tier or two"]).

Mike's improved his shooting steadily, particularly since trying to fit in with Utah's 3pt-scramble offense......he's consequently exhibiting the best outside shooting of his entire career right now: >44% from 3pt on >7 3PA/36 (and that's with barely 5 of 9 assisted, and only 1 in 6 coming from the corner).

He's really found his chemistry working the pnr with Rudy, too, either finding the big-man or getting his own with regularity, especially that right-handed short-range push shot: he's hitting a career-best 52.3% in the 3-10' range [that's almost exclusively unassisted], and the 3rd-best finishing rate at the rim of his career [albeit on VERY low volume].
Surely a lot of this is related to the system and the gravity that Rudy has on the roll, but it just shows that Mike can find a way to be effective [even at age 34] in a lot of environments.

And he's got an excellent turnover economy. He's presently delivering 13.7 ppg [on excellent shooting efficiency] and 5.4 apg with only 1.7 topg. And while he's small, that's nothing new: he's always been small, yet was ALWAYS an effective perimeter defender in Memphis. While he might not be quite as good on that end as he was five years ago, he still plays smart and with energy on defense, still has active hands, etc.

In terms of rate metrics: he's an 18.7 PER, .203 WS/48, +4.0 BPM, +17 net rating, and has the 3rd-highest on/off among the starters. This is in somewhat limited minutes (28.0 mpg), although in an era where even the super-stars are frequently playing <35 mpg.

And in his most recent playoff appearances, he was excellent [when available].

So I'll stand by my initial assessment that he's undersold in the mid-50s [nice pick Colbini].


I could back away somewhat from my statement made about Brandon Ingram, though. Doctor MJ pointed it out that lower tier first-option scorers are of less value within the context of this project than they are "in a vacuum" (or in a 30-team league).
I had Conley somewhere between th3 high 30s to the 50s.
On one side it's clear that's hard to get high level creation as you go down the draft.
On the other I saw too many limitations last year in his perimeter defense, that might get exposed without a Gobert behind him.
As you are a spectator and you can be more "blunt" in your comments, what players you think FOR SURE should have gone behind him?

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Post#408 » by His Dudeness » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:55 pm

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Post#409 » by eminence » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:59 pm

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Post#410 » by Colbinii » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:00 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:On the other I saw too many limitations last year in his perimeter defense, that might get exposed without a Gobert behind him.


Well this is the conundrum.

Either Rudy Gobert is a top-5 player because he is allowing players like Conley to still flourish, or the other players are simply as good as their statistical profiles indicate.

I think its quite telling the Jazz went from a 4-5 SRS team to a 8-9 SRS team with the addition of Conley [Not counting his first injury-riddled season]. Conley has shown to be one of the best ceiling raisers in the league but most of his prime was on a team missing the scoring wing to truly make the Grizzles strong title contenders.

Lucky for me I have the best thing after Gobert in Embiid on the back line.
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Post#411 » by Colbinii » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:00 pm

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Post#412 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:05 pm

I have his picks, but I am not really sure I understood it right.
As it's 8am in LA (I think he's from there) I will make the first and let him make the second. At the same time, asking eminence and His Dudeness to send their picks to me, unless they know they will be always available in the next few hours.

Anyway, Doctror MJ picks Royce O'Neale with the first one of his two.

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Post#413 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:11 pm

Colbinii wrote:Well this is the conundrum.

Either Rudy Gobert is a top-5 player because he is allowing players like Conley to still flourish, or the other players are simply as good as their statistical profiles indicate.

I think its quite telling the Jazz went from a 4-5 SRS team to a 8-9 SRS team with the addition of Conley [Not counting his first injury-riddled season]. Conley has shown to be one of the best ceiling raisers in the league but most of his prime was on a team missing the scoring wing to truly make the Grizzles strong title contenders.

Lucky for me I have the best thing after Gobert in Embiid on the back line.

I think Gobert is a top top12 to top15 range, because he can create competent to good defense even with limited defenders around him, that gets to all time great level with actually good ones.
On the other hand, the nature of the game allows proper game planning (and the right personnel) to limit the impact one player can have in floor raising a defense, making him not a tier 1 guy in my book.
I also think Conley (at this stage of his career) is a top40-45 player who can substantially increase the offensive ceiling of team without taking much off the table. To be understood how much of his struggles defensively against the Clippers have been injury related.
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Post#414 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:14 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I have his picks, but I am not really sure I understood it right.
As it's 8am in LA (I think he's from there) I will make the first and let him make the second. At the same time, asking eminence and His Dudeness to send their picks to me, unless they know they will be always available in the next few hours.

Anyway, Doctror MJ picks Royce O'Neale with the first one of his two.

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And, as we will finally have 10 rounds, we are officially midway through the draft!

It took us five full days to get to this point, at this speed we'll likely need another four to get to the end.
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Post#415 » by Doctor MJ » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:14 pm

With their 6th pick, the Original Centaurs select...

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Post#416 » by Laimbeer » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:18 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I have his picks, but I am not really sure I understood it right.
As it's 8am in LA (I think he's from there) I will make the first and let him make the second. At the same time, asking eminence and His Dudeness to send their picks to me, unless they know they will be always available in the next few hours.

Anyway, Doctror MJ picks Royce O'Neale with the first one of his two.

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And, as we will finally have 10 rounds, we are officially midway through the draft!

It took us five full days to get to this point, at this speed we'll likely need another four to get to the end.


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Post#417 » by Colbinii » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:19 pm

I considered both Batum and O'Neal for my pick in round 5.

I feel I needed a bit more offensively than the two of them and felt Jae provided that and is better suited to play the 4.

Nicolas Batum's injury worries me as he may not come back playing the way he did earlier this season.
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Post#418 » by confucius » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:20 pm

Just wanted to say I have been enjoying this draft a lot :)
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Post#419 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:23 pm

If not the starting lineups, these are the 5 most important players for each team. Comments?

Doctor MJ…........ Nikola Jokic…......... Evan Mobley….......... Darius Garland…....... Dillon Brooks…........ Royce O'Neale
Eminence…......... Stephen Curry…........ DeMar DeRozan…........ Tyrese Haliburton….... Ben Simmons….......... Dorian Finney Smith
His Dudeness…..... Kevin Durant…......... Kyrie Irving…......... Pascal Siakam…........ Kyle Lowry…........... Marcus Smart
Ryoga Hibiki…..... Giannis Antetokounmpo… Bradley Beal…......... Lonzo Ball…........... Harrison Barnes…...... Joe Harris
Dutchball97…...... LeBron James…......... Jarrett Allen…........ Fred VanVleet…........ John Collins…......... Luke Kennard
flaco…............ Luka Doncic….......... Jaylen Brown…......... OG Anunoby…........... Gordon Hayward…....... Clint Capela
Colbinii…......... Joel Embiid….......... Zach LaVine….......... Mikal Bridges…........ Mike Conley….......... Jae Crowder
Baski…............ Rudy Gobert….......... Devin Booker…......... Alex Caruso….......... Brandon Ingram…....... Kevin Love
LA Bird….......... Jimmy Butler…......... Jrue Holiday…......... Kristaps Porzingis…... Al Horford…........... Tyler Herro
Fadeaway_J…....... Trae Young…........... Khris Middleton…...... Myles Turner…......... Aaron Gordon…......... Norman Powell
durantbird…....... Paul George….......... Bam Adebayo….......... Shai Gilgeous-Alexande Jaren Jackson Jr.….... CJ McCollum
confucious…....... Chris Paul…........... Donovan Mitchell…..... Anthony Edwards…...... De'Aaron Fox…......... Richaun Holmes
Stan…............. Karl-Anthony Towns…... Ja Morant…............ Miles Bridges…........ Malcolm Brogdon…...... Bojan Bogdanovic
Dr Positivity….... Damian Lillard…....... Draymond Green…....... Andrew Wiggins…....... Gary Trent Jr.…....... Jonas Valanciunas
Milt Chamberlain…. Jayson Tatum…......... LaMelo Ball….......... DeAndre Ayton…........ Dejounte Murray…...... Scottie Barnes
Laimbeer…......... James Harden…......... Anthony Davis…........ Domantas Sabonis…..... Jerami Grant…......... PJ Tucker
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Post#420 » by Laimbeer » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:24 pm

There are no terrorizing swingmen like Mike or Kobe in this. The best players are centers (Embiid, Jokic, AD, KAT), big guys who play like perimeter guys (Giannis, KD, LeBron) or point guards (Steph, Dame, Luka,CP3, Dame, Harden).

That's why I thought a primary defender with some bulk made more sense than some of the somewhat smaller defenders. I wanted OG but Tucker somewhat fills the role.

But about defending those point guards.... :-?
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