trex_8063 wrote:Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I had Conley somewhere between th3 high 30s to the 50s.
On one side it's clear that's hard to get high level creation as you go down the draft.
On the other I saw too many limitations last year in his perimeter defense, that might get exposed without a Gobert behind him.
As you are a spectator and you can be more "blunt" in your comments, what players you think FOR SURE should have gone behind him?
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Off-the-cuff, somewhere in the 25 to 40-42 is roughly where I'd have placed Conley in the league......and he's portable enough I would have thought he'd go somewhere similar (roughly in the 30-40 range).
It's not so much that I can say that certain guys should "FOR SURE" go behind him (especially when I don't know the final grand plan of some of the GM's). But some [mostly backcourt] guys who seem [to me] questionable picks ahead of him (that is: guys who I'm skeptical are "better basketball players" than current Conley) include.....
Dillon Brooks - solid defender on my limited eye-test [don't watch a lot of Memphis], scores nearly 20 ppg (in barely 29 mpg), but on mediocre-poor shooting efficiency, not much a playmaker, not an exceptional rebounding wing.......AND he's missed even more time than Conley so far this year. I know he had a great playoffs, but......sample size.
Anthony Edwards - Another guy who scores a lot of points, though on mediocre efficiency [clearly lesser shooter than Conley, fwiw] for a poor offense; not much of a playmaker and VERY turnover-prone. How good is he defensively? I honestly don't know, having rarely seen the TWolves play. Being a 2nd-year player, though, I'm skeptical he's any big separation from Conley on defense. Complete unknown in the playoffs, too.
Darius Garland - Arguably a better scorer than either of the above [better shooter, anyway], though still not as good a shooter as Conley, fwiw. Decent playmaker, a bit turnover prone for a PG, though. How is he defensively? Again, I don't really know. But he suffers the same size issues as Conley. Also a complete unknown in the playoffs.
Kyle Lowry?? - Surprising to say, perhaps, though he is going to be 36 in a few months. He's not having a good shooting year, and at his age [with the wear and tear] there's no guarantee it's coming back. He's also having a somewhat turnover-prone season thus far. Defensively I'll certainly give him the edge, though he's not what he used to be either. And he's missed as many games as Conley.
Miles Bridges?? - He's turned into a capable [but not great scorer], though limited in terms of shooting/spacing effect. Does take care of the ball very well and not a bad passing forward. Rebounds very well for his size, too, and good motor. I'm not convinced he's anything to write home about defensively, particularly given he plays mostly PF (undersized for the role), though I could be wrong there. I know his defensive on/off is good, but that's for the rock-bottom worst defense in the league.
idk, that's a few off the top that I'd question, anyway.
So since 2 of my guys are on this list I’ll respond.
I think the key thing here is that I’m drafting on the fit I can imagine based on the guys I already have. So I picked Garland and Brooks to put with Jokic and Mobley.
Why did I do it?
Well, with Garland there’s the fact we’ve all already seen how well Garland plays with Mobley and another big. Jokic isn’t Allen of course, but that’s largely a good thing I’d say.
What I see from Garland that I like in particular is that he’s really gotten good at dynamically making things happen and trusting his bigs to improvise with him. Not something you want to do with all bigs, but it’s huge when you’ve got guys you can do it, Mobley has shown he can do it, and of course Jokic is on a entirely different level than everyone else.
I’ll add that I think Garland at this point is a strong candidate for all-star. While going forward I think Mobley is the Cavs franchise player, Garland seems to be the MVP right now. That’s no small thing.
So then, if you’re going to make your first perimeter guy a small offensive dynamo like Garland, defense on the perimeter is a priority. So my next two picks were Brooks and O’Neale, defensively focused guys.
For Brooks in particular I see a guy who is just ferocious, which is particularly valuable if you’ve got bigs behind him…which I do.
I think Brooks is a monster in transition and a quick thinker. I think he’ll love playing offense with Jokic for the transition opportunities, cutting opportunities, and for both of my D perimeter guys they are adept from trey.
Brooks shot section is admittedly iffy, but that has a lot to do with him taking on an offensive primacy beyond what is ideal. To me he’s best served as an offensive role player, and in that capacity being guided by Jokic and Garland, I think he’ll have clear modes of attack and his efficiency will go up. I also think Brooks’ identity is so focused on defense that ego won’t be an issue.
Back to Conley. As I mentioned before I seriously considered him before picking Garland. I like him a great deal and always have. If my two team-defining players (Jokic & Mobley) we’re different, I may well have picked Conley over Garland.
In particular I’d note that I think that the older Conley at this point is a great fit next to a younger more explosive guard, a la Mitchell.
Also I can see the argument for preferring Conley to be the mature veteran leader of your offense, but for me Jokic is going to be my fulcrum and I’m not too worried that I need a traditional floor general.
In the end, I’m happy with my team, as I always am in these. I expect to be disappointed in how others view it, because I also always am, but the process of team-building is so educationally worthwhile to me I’m glad to do it when I have the time and the timing this time turned out to be just about perfect.
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