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Post#242 » by fleet » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:05 pm

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fleet wrote:I’m just going to guess that when/if the NFL and NBA start trying to hide asymtomatic covid carriers, that’s not going to be well-received if it gains media attention


Where was it said that these leagues were going to start trying to hide cases? That implies they know players are positive, but somehow don't report that. If they stop testing players who don't have symptoms, no one will ever know if these players were infected or not. The leagues might come under criticism for not doing more testing, but I don't see how anyone could say they were trying to hide players status, if they themselves didn't know.

What are we doing here, hiding behind a technicality? Why? By definition, the policy as such is designed to hide positives.
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Post#243 » by dougthonus » Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:16 pm

fleet wrote:What are we doing here, hiding behind a technicality? Why? By definition, the policy as such is designed to hide positives.


Is Walmart's testing policy also designed to hide positives then? Or literally any other non sports league's testing policy? Sports leagues went way over the top with what they were doing testing wise compared to every other aspect of American life.

This is even more ironic because professional athletes don't interact with the public during their work day (generally speaking), and also are the least likely to have severe consequences, yet currently have the most restrictive testing policy.

It's not really a logical outcome.

COVID is going wild through our school system and our schools don't have any mandatory testing policy.
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Post#244 » by fleet » Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:21 pm

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fleet wrote:What are we doing here, hiding behind a technicality? Why? By definition, the policy as such is designed to hide positives.


Is Walmart's testing policy also designed to hide positives then? Or literally any other non sports league's testing policy?

Im not talking about Walmart doug. The NBA would be relaxing back a previously more rigorous policy. Define Walmart however you choose
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fleet wrote:What are we doing here, hiding behind a technicality? Why? By definition, the policy as such is designed to hide positives.


Is Walmart's testing policy also designed to hide positives then? Or literally any other non sports league's testing policy?

Im not talking about Walmart doug. The NBA would be relaxing back a previously more rigorous policy. Define Walmart however you choose


Well, at *some* point I think it's pretty obvious leagues are going to relax these policies. The question is when and why they should or should not.

*If* asymptomatic players aren't going to transmit the virus, it doesn't seem crazy to implement a testing regime that isn't designed to find asymptomatic cases.
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Post#246 » by dougthonus » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:13 pm

fleet wrote:Im not talking about Walmart doug. The NBA would be relaxing back a previously more rigorous policy. Define Walmart however you choose


They would be relaxing a policy to the standard set by the rest of America rather than enforcing a policy that is well beyond the rest of America (ie, test based on symptoms). Is there a reason you feel that the NBA, which has almost no interactions with the public in a workplace setting, needs to have a far more restrictive policy than the rest of America?

You don't think Walmart has set it's policies to maximize it's earnings over public safety? You think they aren't intentionally making their stuff as lax as legally permissible because they want money? Of course they are. Is there some reason that a typical walmart employee which has interactions that are close in nature with 100s of people a day and works in a far more enclosed space with people should have laxer testing? Do you think Walmart could not afford to do more testing because they lack funds?

Of course none of these things are true. Walmart could afford to do daily testing if they wanted. They absolutely pose more public health risk as well.

Sports league's going through crazy protocols doesn't seem to be in their best interest, and now that they have enough data on that, they will probably realign to what is within their best interest and also what is within the legal requirements of the laws in the places they operate and should get no more pushback for doing so than any other business just because they initially did something more strict than required. They initially put these protocols in place to protect the health of players so that they wouldn't have entire teams sick and then cancel games due to serious illness. Now that they are sidelining guys that feel fine, there is no value in that for them or fans or anyone else.
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Post#247 » by Dresden » Thu Dec 23, 2021 3:53 pm

I believe the league began it's strict testing policy in order to prevent it from spreading among other players and coaches during games, practices, etc., since those settings are very conducive to spreading it, more so than a Walmart employee, wearing a mask (hopefully), working in a huge store with high ceilings. They didn't want the entire league coming down with Covid.

But now it appears that asymptomatic people are less likely to transmit, and IF you are fully vaccinated, the consequences of getting Covid are not as dire as they were a year ago. So that's why they feel they no longer need to test everyone constantly.

It might be the case that sooner or later just about every nba player and coach gets Covid- it certainly seems like it's going that way. At least half the Bulls roster has had it already. And as long as no one is getting seriously ill, a kind of herd immunity is going to take place pretty soon where there will be very few players who haven't had it.
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Post#248 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:11 pm

Dresden wrote:I believe the league began it's strict testing policy in order to prevent it from spreading among other players and coaches during games, practices, etc., since those settings are very conducive to spreading it, more so than a Walmart employee, wearing a mask (hopefully), working in a huge store with high ceilings. They didn't want the entire league coming down with Covid.

But now it appears that asymptomatic people are less likely to transmit, and IF you are fully vaccinated, the consequences of getting Covid are not as dire as they were a year ago. So that's why they feel they no longer need to test everyone constantly.

It might be the case that sooner or later just about every nba player and coach gets Covid- it certainly seems like it's going that way. At least half the Bulls roster has had it already. And as long as no one is getting seriously ill, a kind of herd immunity is going to take place pretty soon where there will be very few players who haven't had it.



We are moving towards endemic stage imho. If for no other reason, people not being at each other’s throats over things I am all for it. That being said scientifically I think we got to omicron fast because of precautions and I think it generally gets weaker from here. For me I want to say good job everybody. No matter your feelings we faced a global pandemic and overall did well imho and we all deserve to hug each other.
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Post#249 » by dougthonus » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:13 pm

Dresden wrote:I believe the league began it's strict testing policy in order to prevent it from spreading among other players and coaches during games, practices, etc., since those settings are very conducive to spreading it, more so than a Walmart employee, wearing a mask (hopefully), working in a huge store with high ceilings. They didn't want the entire league coming down with Covid.

But now it appears that asymptomatic people are less likely to transmit, and IF you are fully vaccinated, the consequences of getting Covid are not as dire as they were a year ago. So that's why they feel they no longer need to test everyone constantly.


Like every place, the league's stance was based on trying to maximize their money. They thought with vaccines that it just wouldn't spread that much because almost everyone was vaccinated, but based on what I can tell the J&J was the predominant vaccine given out and boosters weren't widely done, so the vaccine is doing less to prevent spread than it might otherwise.

What the league now sees is that COVID isn't really impacting its players much due to their immune response and their best fiscal action is to stop testing so much and let more guys suit up and play even if it makes spreading more likely because the spread isn't hurting them anyway, just the stopping asymptomatic guys from playing is hurting them.

In general, all businesses will adjust their policies to what maximizes their profit and that will include (of course) the risk of law suits and legal actions.

Ignoring the NBA or Walmart for a moment, public school where I live has basically just given up. COVID is in such a crazy state at my daughter's school it is laughable. The school actually stopped sending out emails about COVID because they got so many that they were just like assume we have cases daily and we only contact you if you are a "close contact" and "close contact" does not include "same class" it includes same class sitting 1 desk away or close friend. My daughter said most people do whatever they can do to hide symptoms to avoid getting testing because the school is also making it very hard to make up work when you are out and doesn't allow you to work remotely anymore. If you are close contact, there are no mandatory tests either.

The school has literally just said "F it, we're just going to stop worrying about it". Literally, the public school, where all of our children are required to go unless we have a spare 10k lying around per kid per year is more or less doing nothing about COVID anymore.

I can't get too worked up about what the NBA might or might not be doing in regards to safety or judge them for it. If the players collectively view it as a safety issue and want more testing and want to find asymptomatic guys and not let them play that would be one thing, but from what I gather, the players don't want this either.

It might be the case that sooner or later just about every nba player and coach gets Covid- it certainly seems like it's going that way. At least half the Bulls roster has had it already. And as long as no one is getting seriously ill, a kind of herd immunity is going to take place pretty soon where there will be very few players who haven't had it.


It should show up in the mortality and hospitalization numbers over time if vaccination / prior infection prevent against severe illness and death. Right now, the morality rate isn't at its peak, but it's still pretty high at around a clip of 600k a year if you prorate out since the mid August Delta surge, so it isn't showing up in the numbers yet. Will be interesting to see if Omicron changes that (since generally it seems to be less severe). Assuming the holiday COVID wave continues until March like last year and that mortality rate stays roughly the same as the past 4 months, then this 7 month period from August -> March will actually be the highest mortality period of the pandemic over that long of a stretch.

I think Mortality / Hospitalization rate is probably a better indicator of if what we are doing is working than any other metrics. If we had 300 million cases a year and 50k deaths and 100k hospitalizations then that would probably be fine (as an example).

I do generally believe we're moving towards endemic state, but it isn't showing up in the serious numbers yet for whatever reason.
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Post#253 » by Dresden » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:02 pm

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Dresden wrote:I believe the league began it's strict testing policy in order to prevent it from spreading among other players and coaches during games, practices, etc., since those settings are very conducive to spreading it, more so than a Walmart employee, wearing a mask (hopefully), working in a huge store with high ceilings. They didn't want the entire league coming down with Covid.

But now it appears that asymptomatic people are less likely to transmit, and IF you are fully vaccinated, the consequences of getting Covid are not as dire as they were a year ago. So that's why they feel they no longer need to test everyone constantly.


Like every place, the league's stance was based on trying to maximize their money. They thought with vaccines that it just wouldn't spread that much because almost everyone was vaccinated, but based on what I can tell the J&J was the predominant vaccine given out and boosters weren't widely done, so the vaccine is doing less to prevent spread than it might otherwise.

What the league now sees is that COVID isn't really impacting its players much due to their immune response and their best fiscal action is to stop testing so much and let more guys suit up and play even if it makes spreading more likely because the spread isn't hurting them anyway, just the stopping asymptomatic guys from playing is hurting them.

In general, all businesses will adjust their policies to what maximizes their profit and that will include (of course) the risk of law suits and legal actions.

Ignoring the NBA or Walmart for a moment, public school where I live has basically just given up. COVID is in such a crazy state at my daughter's school it is laughable. The school actually stopped sending out emails about COVID because they got so many that they were just like assume we have cases daily and we only contact you if you are a "close contact" and "close contact" does not include "same class" it includes same class sitting 1 desk away or close friend. My daughter said most people do whatever they can do to hide symptoms to avoid getting testing because the school is also making it very hard to make up work when you are out and doesn't allow you to work remotely anymore. If you are close contact, there are no mandatory tests either.

The school has literally just said "F it, we're just going to stop worrying about it". Literally, the public school, where all of our children are required to go unless we have a spare 10k lying around per kid per year is more or less doing nothing about COVID anymore.

I can't get too worked up about what the NBA might or might not be doing in regards to safety or judge them for it. If the players collectively view it as a safety issue and want more testing and want to find asymptomatic guys and not let them play that would be one thing, but from what I gather, the players don't want this either.

It might be the case that sooner or later just about every nba player and coach gets Covid- it certainly seems like it's going that way. At least half the Bulls roster has had it already. And as long as no one is getting seriously ill, a kind of herd immunity is going to take place pretty soon where there will be very few players who haven't had it.


It should show up in the mortality and hospitalization numbers over time if vaccination / prior infection prevent against severe illness and death. Right now, the morality rate isn't at its peak, but it's still pretty high at around a clip of 600k a year if you prorate out since the mid August Delta surge, so it isn't showing up in the numbers yet. Will be interesting to see if Omicron changes that (since generally it seems to be less severe). Assuming the holiday COVID wave continues until March like last year and that mortality rate stays roughly the same as the past 4 months, then this 7 month period from August -> March will actually be the highest mortality period of the pandemic over that long of a stretch.

I think Mortality / Hospitalization rate is probably a better indicator of if what we are doing is working than any other metrics. If we had 300 million cases a year and 50k deaths and 100k hospitalizations then that would probably be fine (as an example).

I do generally believe we're moving towards endemic state, but it isn't showing up in the serious numbers yet for whatever reason.


That's a pretty crazy situation with the schools. Here in SF, there will be a special election in Feb. to recall the school board because so many parents here were upset that the SF schools did not open for in person learning until the start of the 2021 school year. Even though the CDC guidance didn't allow it until mid April of '21. But private schools had been opened sooner, and enough parents were bothered by the SF public schools not opening as well that now the board is up for recall, at the cost to the city of about 20 million dollars. It seems like a waste of good money to me, especially since there will be a general election next fall to vote on the board then.
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Ah we’re probably not gonna see Ilyasova or McLung play then.
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Ah we’re probably not gonna see Ilyasova or McLung play then.
Idk how much these two made out of this 10 day contract but what a waste of money from the bulls lol.
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Ah we’re probably not gonna see Ilyasova or McLung play then.
Idk how much these two made out of this 10 day contract but what a waste of money from the bulls lol.

Right, how can I get a 10 day contract and not be needed!?!?!

I'm on PTO until the 3rd....so I got the time, sign me up! I'll do it for 50% of the going rate as long as I don't have to play in a game.
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