Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[harlem_ball]

Absolutely, if he's not good you move on unless he's cheap but if he comes back strong but rusty, I'd roll the dice on him with a sizable contract (although I'd probably only do a 3 year contract) if the medical staff green lights him after the season.

He needs to play better than Vince if he is going to get a contract.

Did you not read what I wrote? I said to move on if he's not good. I also wrote that if he's just rusty and healthy you move forward with him because he's a possible all-star level talent. I think a possible all-star talent coming off multiple years of not playing or practicing regularly may be rusty and his next contact with be for the next 2-4 years with him back to near his old self. Just looking at his last play with Miami should show you he's not far off his athletic ability and could be better now.

If he's medically green lit, yes I believe a healthy Oladipo may be the 2nd or 3rd best player on Miami for the next few seasons once the rust is off him, which I expect he's quite rusty not playing/practicing normally for nearly 3 years. I think too many people have forgotten how good Oladipo was before his injuries... on BOTH sides of the ball.

I think people forget what Oladipo can do, even with him rusty and not right last year. If he's healthy, gets to practice regularly again, has Spolestra coaching and has Butler, Bam, Lowry around him... I think you could see a high level Oladipo again.

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I did read what you wrote. I guess my interpretation of a rusty Oladipo is different than yours. Rusty he's probably not better than Vince. His stats from 3 were not great even before the injury.

[AirP.]

I did read what you wrote. I guess my interpretation of a rusty Oladipo is different than yours. Rusty he's probably not better than Vince. His stats from 3 were not great even before the injury.

Rusty to me is that he hasn't played/practiced at a regular pace and will take time to get back into his top shape on the court. All I care about this season with Oladipo is seeing most of his explosiveness back and him moving well, not too worried about him hitting his shots or being able to create. Now next year I expect that if they resign him and if they resign him, I guess they expect it too.

I also expect a Spoelstra bump knowing he has Oladipo coming back and should have a plan of how to utilize him.

[harlem_ball]

I did read what you wrote. I guess my interpretation of a rusty Oladipo is different than yours. Rusty he's probably not better than Vince. His stats from 3 were not great even before the injury.

Rusty to me is that he hasn't played/practiced at a regular pace and will take time to get back into his top shape on the court. All I care about this season with Oladipo is seeing most of his explosiveness back and him moving well, not too worried about him hitting his shots or being able to create. Now next year I expect that if they resign him and if they resign him, I guess they expect it too.

I also expect a Spoelstra bump knowing he has Oladipo coming back and should have a plan of how to utilize him.

we'll see. have you seen his thighs lately? they look like toothpicks.

[AirP.]

I did read what you wrote. I guess my interpretation of a rusty Oladipo is different than yours. Rusty he's probably not better than Vince. His stats from 3 were not great even before the injury.

Rusty to me is that he hasn't played/practiced at a regular pace and will take time to get back into his top shape on the court. All I care about this season with Oladipo is seeing most of his explosiveness back and him moving well, not too worried about him hitting his shots or being able to create. Now next year I expect that if they resign him and if they resign him, I guess they expect it too.

I also expect a Spoelstra bump knowing he has Oladipo coming back and should have a plan of how to utilize him.

we'll see. have you seen his thighs lately? they look like toothpicks.

Right, he can't really work on them at this time which adds to the rust, he's got to rebuild that strength. It would be nice to get a great player back this year but realistically he probably can't get near whatever his high-level play will be until next year with months of normal work put in on his game.

[harlem_ball]

Rusty to me is that he hasn't played/practiced at a regular pace and will take time to get back into his top shape on the court. All I care about this season with Oladipo is seeing most of his explosiveness back and him moving well, not too worried about him hitting his shots or being able to create. Now next year I expect that if they resign him and if they resign him, I guess they expect it too.

I also expect a Spoelstra bump knowing he has Oladipo coming back and should have a plan of how to utilize him.

we'll see. have you seen his thighs lately? they look like toothpicks.

Right, he can't really work on them at this time which adds to the rust, he's got to rebuild that strength.

yea, exactly. i just feel any contract talks with him are premature. Heat are being charitable in having him around rehabbing and on a contract.

[AirP.]

we'll see. have you seen his thighs lately? they look like toothpicks.

Right, he can't really work on them at this time which adds to the rust, he's got to rebuild that strength.

yea, exactly. i just feel any contract talks with him are premature. Heat are being charitable in having him around rehabbing and on a contract.

No, they gave him the minimum to retain his Bird rights. I would suspect had they not, someone would have ended up offering him a longer contract when he was getting close to being ready to play later this season. He should end up being a rotation player this season but sure, there's a chance the Heat don't push him this season since he may be in Miami for 2-4 more years.

[harlem_ball]

Right, he can't really work on them at this time which adds to the rust, he's got to rebuild that strength.

yea, exactly. i just feel any contract talks with him are premature. Heat are being charitable in having him around rehabbing and on a contract.

No, they gave him the minimum to retain his Bird rights. I would suspect had they not, someone would have ended up offering him a longer contract when he was getting close to being ready to play later this season. He should end up being a rotation player this season but sure, there's a chance the Heat don't push him this season since he may be in Miami for 2-4 more years.

Exactly, but they did it based on potential. They can completely move on from him if he doesn't look right. we will see.

[AirP.]

yea, exactly. i just feel any contract talks with him are premature. Heat are being charitable in having him around rehabbing and on a contract.

No, they gave him the minimum to retain his Bird rights. I would suspect had they not, someone would have ended up offering him a longer contract when he was getting close to being ready to play later this season. He should end up being a rotation player this season but sure, there's a chance the Heat don't push him this season since he may be in Miami for 2-4 more years.

Exactly, but they did it based on potential. They can completely move on from him if he doesn't look right. we will see.

Correct. I just happen to expect him to be playing at a high level by next season but if he's not Miami more than likely will just move on from him.

[harlem_ball]

No, they gave him the minimum to retain his Bird rights. I would suspect had they not, someone would have ended up offering him a longer contract when he was getting close to being ready to play later this season. He should end up being a rotation player this season but sure, there's a chance the Heat don't push him this season since he may be in Miami for 2-4 more years.

Exactly, but they did it based on potential. They can completely move on from him if he doesn't look right. we will see.

Correct. I just happen to expect him to be playing at a high level by next season but if he's not Miami more than likely will just move on from him.

exactly. i dont evaluate based on hope. im a rational fan which is kind of a debbie downer but I do want to see the team win, ultimately.

[harlem_ball]

Heat looking better energy-wise and defensively. Herro bricking is not helping

[AirP.]

Exactly, but they did it based on potential. They can completely move on from him if he doesn't look right. we will see.

Correct. I just happen to expect him to be playing at a high level by next season but if he's not Miami more than likely will just move on from him.

exactly. i dont evaluate based on hope. im a rational fan which is kind of a debbie downer but I do want to see the team win, ultimately.

Coming back from a successful surgery is hope? After having his last surgery not go how he expected I would suspect he made damn sure to get a great surgeon since it's probably already cost him millions.

[harlem_ball]

Correct. I just happen to expect him to be playing at a high level by next season but if he's not Miami more than likely will just move on from him.

exactly. i dont evaluate based on hope. im a rational fan which is kind of a debbie downer but I do want to see the team win, ultimately.

Coming back from a successful surgery is hope? After having his last surgery not go how he expected I would suspect he made damn sure to get a great surgeon since it's probably already cost him millions.

i think you're hoping.

[al bondiga]

We all know that bam and hero are the future of this team... they are unique talent... but it seems that yurt and struss are a better fit at 2 guard and Center

[MettaWorldPanda]

We all know that bam and hero are the future of this team... they are unique talent... but it seems that yurt and struss are a better fit at 2 guard and Center

They can all coexist. Yurt is looking like the perfect backup to Bam while Strus and Herro can play with each other seamlessly. Duncan is the one that has to go

[puppa bear]

We all know that bam and hero are the future of this team... they are unique talent... but it seems that yurt and struss are a better fit at 2 guard and Center

They can all coexist. Yurt is looking like the perfect backup to Bam while Strus and Herro can play with each other seamlessly. Duncan is the one that has to go

Herro is doing things we haven’t seen a Heat player in their rookie contract so in a long time. He’s gotta be part of this long term. He’s already 1/3 of the way to making it into the Heat all-time scoring leaders, and by the end of the season should be over 1/2 way.

Strus is looking like a Robinson with his XP not quite so min-maxed. That’s a player that we need to keep, for the long run.

All in all, this group is looking like it’s going to be expensive to keep together. If Caleb is legit (I’d someone who could be the piece we hoped DJJ could be), then the depth will be astounding when everyone is healthy. But with so many of them on min contracts & not having made their packet, it’s unlikely to continue to be this affordable.

[wadenation305]

Looking at the roster there is no way the Heat don't fully intend to use DRob as the trade chip. His 90 mil and him not hitting consistent is not doing his any favors.

I really want Myles Turner on this team. Any ideas of how to flip Duncan into a Turner?

[wadenation305]

At this point I'm starting to think there is more to the Morris thing than the Heat let on. I've been involved in a car accident before and had bad whiplash. I wasn't out for anywhere as long as this.

Either he did something bad behind the scenes or the NBA handed down some secrete punishment or something. It's beyond ridiculous that he has been out for almost half a season.

I think someone would've leaked it by now or rumors would be swirling if that was a possibility

As far as recovery time, it's different for everyone. According to a quick search, the average recovery time is about a few months.

I guess being only 20 at the time of the accident helped, it was a total loss and the worst I had was whiplash, I was back out playing football a week later.

[AirP.]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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This means Zylan will be hanging around a bit longer. That's good news. Caleb Martin looks to be back on Sunday.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Looking at the roster there is no way the Heat don't fully intend to use DRob as the trade chip. His 90 mil and him not hitting consistent is not doing his any favors.

I really want Myles Turner on this team. Any ideas of how to flip Duncan into a Turner?

Any chance of flipping Duncan for someone like Tuner is a huge stretch. Looking over player salaries and trying to find a trade match with a combination of Duncan and lets say KZ leads us realistically to players like Ricky Rubio, Thaddeus Young, Patrick Beverly, Davis Bertans. Rubio has been doing so well with the Cavs resurgence that they are probably looking to extend him. Wolves also really like Beverly in that veteran mentor role. Thad Young can be had since he's fallen out of favor in Pop's system but do the Spurs even want Duncan's contract after signing McDermott to a value deal and already having a bunch of young wing prospects.

Bertans has been dealing with the same issues as Duncan with the Wiz and also comes equipped with a similar contract. Bertans will make less in the back end of the contract over Duncan. Bertans has fallen out of favor in the Wiz rotation once Kuzma came on board. Rui Hachimura is nearing his return meaning he sinks even further down that depth chart. Bertans at 6'10 and with his stretch capabilities makes for a potential much better fit here in the power rotation. When Bam comes back he's a stretch 4 that can actually be on the floor with him. This may be a solid change of scenery trade for both players and teams. Duncan can easily slide into to the starting SF spot for the Wiz. He also trained with Spencer Dinwiddie in the offseason so there is a connection.

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