Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market

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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#41 » by pacers33granger » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:03 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?
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Post#42 » by drosestruts » Thu Dec 23, 2021 4:04 pm

Sabonis
Siakam
Wood
Valancunias
Turner
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Post#43 » by shrink » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:28 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?

Siakim must not be valuable either right? I mean, TOR only has one more win than IND?

If a GM trades to add Sabonis, Turner or Siakim to their team, he isn’t trading for the entire team. There have only been a handful of players in nba history that can singlehandedly raise their team to championship level, and these guys aren’t at that level. Heck, if you are using this lone season to attack Sabonis and Turner’s trade value, even LeBron James has been unable to do it this season.

We need for people to stop attaching a team’s record to an individual player’s trade value.
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#44 » by Adrian Street » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:45 pm

I would go
Sabonis-no brainer to me
Siakam- despite rough contract
Turner- Would put up big numbers without Sabonis
Valanciunas- Underrated big
Wood- Not sure how effective he would be on a decent team
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#45 » by Duffman100 » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:05 pm

shrink wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?

Siakim must not be valuable either right? I mean, TOR only has one more win than IND?

If a GM trades to add Sabonis, Turner or Siakim to their team, he isn’t trading for the entire team. There have only been a handful of players in nba history that can singlehandedly raise their team to championship level, and these guys aren’t at that level. Heck, if you are using this lone season to attack Sabonis and Turner’s trade value, even LeBron James has been unable to do it this season.

We need for people to stop attaching a team’s record to an individual player’s trade value.


If both Turner and Sabonis had more value than Siakam, I would expect them to have a much better record. Considering they both play for the same team. Obviously there are more factors at play. I think both Sabonis and Turner are being a bit overvalued here...
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#46 » by Adrian Street » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:25 pm

I have Siakam ahead of Turner, the problems with the Pacers are injuries, poor perimeter shooting, a lack of perimeter defense and not finishing in close games. The Pacers are very good when healthy, which they haven't been since the bubble season when they finished as the 4 seed in the East despite playing the bubble games without Sabonis who was out injured.
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#47 » by pacers33granger » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:49 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
shrink wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?

Siakim must not be valuable either right? I mean, TOR only has one more win than IND?

If a GM trades to add Sabonis, Turner or Siakim to their team, he isn’t trading for the entire team. There have only been a handful of players in nba history that can singlehandedly raise their team to championship level, and these guys aren’t at that level. Heck, if you are using this lone season to attack Sabonis and Turner’s trade value, even LeBron James has been unable to do it this season.

We need for people to stop attaching a team’s record to an individual player’s trade value.


If both Turner and Sabonis had more value than Siakam, I would expect them to have a much better record. Considering they both play for the same team. Obviously there are more factors at play. I think both Sabonis and Turner are being a bit overvalued here...
I think most who have Siakam as less valuable have pointed out the reasons why. He's the oldest by a good amount, is paid much more, and has had nagging injuries.

None of the guys are first options, but one is paid like a first option.

Both teams being garbage this year really has little to do with those three.

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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#48 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:52 am

pacers33granger wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
shrink wrote:Siakim must not be valuable either right? I mean, TOR only has one more win than IND?

If a GM trades to add Sabonis, Turner or Siakim to their team, he isn’t trading for the entire team. There have only been a handful of players in nba history that can singlehandedly raise their team to championship level, and these guys aren’t at that level. Heck, if you are using this lone season to attack Sabonis and Turner’s trade value, even LeBron James has been unable to do it this season.

We need for people to stop attaching a team’s record to an individual player’s trade value.


If both Turner and Sabonis had more value than Siakam, I would expect them to have a much better record. Considering they both play for the same team. Obviously there are more factors at play. I think both Sabonis and Turner are being a bit overvalued here...
I think most who have Siakam as less valuable have pointed out the reasons why. He's the oldest by a good amount, is paid much more, and has had nagging injuries.

None of the guys are first options, but one is paid like a first option.

Both teams being garbage this year really has little to do with those three.

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Rookie scale max are not meant for first options only. Sabonis and Turner are underpaid. 2nd options like siakam deserve the max too. Look at holiday and middleton, no complaints there from milwaukee.

If we are talking injury history then turner should be way more of a red flag than siakam imo.

I also dont think age is very relevant because he is just entering his prime and is not expected to fall off during the contract. Its not like turner and sabonis are really young and have lots of room for growth either. What you see is what you get for all 3 of them.
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#49 » by 8305 » Fri Dec 24, 2021 3:32 am

drosestruts wrote:Sabonis
Siakam
Wood
Valancunias
Turner

Went to the Pacer/Rockets game tonight. Sabonis did not play so, it was Turner vs Wood for healthy portions of the game. Turner scored at will. At crunch time Turner blocked a couple Woods shots. After watching this head to head I don’t know how anyone could put Woods ahead Turner..
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#50 » by cl2117 » Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:31 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
shrink wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?

Siakim must not be valuable either right? I mean, TOR only has one more win than IND?

If a GM trades to add Sabonis, Turner or Siakim to their team, he isn’t trading for the entire team. There have only been a handful of players in nba history that can singlehandedly raise their team to championship level, and these guys aren’t at that level. Heck, if you are using this lone season to attack Sabonis and Turner’s trade value, even LeBron James has been unable to do it this season.

We need for people to stop attaching a team’s record to an individual player’s trade value.


If both Turner and Sabonis had more value than Siakam, I would expect them to have a much better record. Considering they both play for the same team. Obviously there are more factors at play. I think both Sabonis and Turner are being a bit overvalued here...

If the NBA was 2 on 2 you might be right.
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Post#51 » by Catchall » Fri Dec 24, 2021 9:34 pm

I don't think Wood is sturdy enough to really play the 5. His journeyman career may be due, at least in part, to the fact that he's a tweener. His shooting and scoring have improved in the past few years, but ultimately, I think he's a 4 and a backup at the 5 on a playoff-level team.
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Re: Rank The Trade Value: 5 C/PF's Possibly On The Trade Market 

Post#52 » by Adrian Street » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:30 pm

8305 wrote:
drosestruts wrote:Sabonis
Siakam
Wood
Valancunias
Turner

Went to the Pacer/Rockets game tonight. Sabonis did not play so, it was Turner vs Wood for healthy portions of the game. Turner scored at will. At crunch time Turner blocked a couple Woods shots. After watching this head to head I don’t know how anyone could put Woods ahead Turner..



This is why I would rather see the Pacers trade Sabonis than Turner. Turner has shown he is a good offensive center and rebounder without Sabonis. On the offensive end, Turner is a big stretch 4 with Sabonis in the game.
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Post#53 » by RodyTur10 » Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:52 am

NYG wrote:Rank The Trade Value:

Christian Wood
Myles Turner
Jonas Valanciunas
Pascal Siakam
Domantas Sabonis


1. Domantas Sabonis
2. Christian Wood
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Myles Turner
5. Jonas Valanciunas
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Post#54 » by The Rebel » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:43 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Nurkic being an expiring contract should be on any top 5 list

Compared to these five?


I would easily take Nurkic over Wood.
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Post#55 » by Godaddycurse » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:44 pm

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babyjax13 wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:Nurkic being an expiring contract should be on any top 5 list

Compared to these five?


I would easily take Nurkic over Wood.


On court perhaps but wood has an extra controlled year
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Post#56 » by The Rebel » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:51 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Compared to these five?


I would easily take Nurkic over Wood.


On court perhaps but wood has an extra controlled year

I guess that depends on how you feel about Wood, I personally think he is very overrated and not worth the cost to trade for him.
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Post#57 » by The Rebel » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:54 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Just feels like if Sabonis and Turner were as valuable as people say, the Pacers record should be better than it is.

Just me?

In most cases I would agree, however with this years Pacers I would argue that the terrible perimeter play is what has caused that team to play so poorly. Sabonis is getting 3 less shots a game, with those shots going to inefficient chuckers, and defensive bigs can only do so much when the defensive problems are on the perimeter.
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Post#58 » by The Rebel » Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:57 pm

I would rank them
1. Domantas Sabonis
2. Jonas Valanciunas
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Myles Turner
5. Christian Wood
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Post#59 » by hippesthippo » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:08 pm

Catchall wrote:I don't think Wood is sturdy enough to really play the 5. His journeyman career may be due, at least in part, to the fact that he's a tweener. His shooting and scoring have improved in the past few years, but ultimately, I think he's a 4 and a backup at the 5 on a playoff-level team.


Wood has always been a forward. Been saying it for 2 years now. His game plays nothing like a center. He attacks from the perimeter on offense and is too skinny to be a real presence inside on defense. He'd be much better used as a weakside defender than can make better use of his mobility on the perimeter.

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