Joel: unchained.

[76ciology]

Amazing how different Embiid would be viewed if we hadn't drafted Bum Simmons in 2016, together with Brett this was the end for Embiid, now the damage is already done and improving the team is hard.

Or drafted Ben Simmons but trade him for Kawhi and also do the Jimmy trade. While we have a healthy Fultz to play with Jimmy and Biid when Kawhi walks away.

Biid is a great player and could end up one of ATG players. But he’s one of the hardest to build around given his health condition, high variance to his game and how the game is played.

The only way you can win a championship with embiid is him having an ATG season (similar to Mavs finals with dirk years) which you have a very small window with his health or building a superteam where you can still win big games when he is not 100% or not playing.

[rzzzzz]

Amazing how different Embiid would be viewed if we hadn't drafted Bum Simmons in 2016, together with Brett this was the end for Embiid, now the damage is already done and improving the team is hard.

Or drafted Ben Simmons but trade him for Kawhi and also do the Jimmy trade. While we have a healthy Fultz to play with Jimmy and Biid when Kawhi walks away.

Biid is a great player and could end up one of ATG players. But he’s one of the hardest to build around given his health condition, high variance to his game and how the game is played.

The only way you can win a championship with embiid is him having an ATG season (similar to Mavs finals with dirk years) which you have a very small window with his health or building a superteam where you can still win big games when he is not 100% or not playing.

So weird that Ben refused to develop. His a athleticism should have made him the perfect compliment to a somewhat fragile MVP. With the ability to play both frontline and pg Magic, if he had worked…like Magic. (Not to mention Harris blocking the Jah trade, Nerlens refusing to play PF, Fultz busts his shooting shoulder, Brett pushing out Jimmy, Brett’s draft gamble nearly DOA.) Yet I honestly think that Morey is one really good trade away, for the right young guard, from a situation where we can get by the regular season playing JoJo just enough to keep him fit, and then see if we can ever get him through the playoffs.

[76ciology]

Amazing how different Embiid would be viewed if we hadn't drafted Bum Simmons in 2016, together with Brett this was the end for Embiid, now the damage is already done and improving the team is hard.

Or drafted Ben Simmons but trade him for Kawhi and also do the Jimmy trade. While we have a healthy Fultz to play with Jimmy and Biid when Kawhi walks away.

Biid is a great player and could end up one of ATG players. But he’s one of the hardest to build around given his health condition, high variance to his game and how the game is played.

The only way you can win a championship with embiid is him having an ATG season (similar to Mavs finals with dirk years) which you have a very small window with his health or building a superteam where you can still win big games when he is not 100% or not playing.

So weird that Ben refused to develop. His a athleticism should have made him the perfect compliment to a somewhat fragile MVP. With the ability to play both frontline and pg Magic, if he had worked…like Magic. (Not to mention Harris blocking the Jah trade, Nerlens refusing to play PF, Fultz busts his shooting shoulder, Brett pushing out Jimmy, Brett’s draft gamble nearly DOA.) Yet I honestly think that Morey is one really good trade away, for the right young guard, from a situation where we can get by the regular season playing JoJo just enough to keep him fit, and then see if we can ever get him through the playoffs.

I honestly think Ben didnt work on his game because he REALLY can’t be good at it and it shows with his FT%. If he really can shoot we’ll see improvement on his FT%. Ben talk is on the other thread so i wouldnt discuss it further.

Morey is one good trade, one good draft away or one good draft away then a good trade away. He’s gonna get another top tier star for Biid in one way or the other

[Mik317]

Just need a guy who can get Jo easy looks on offense. That will cut down on a lot of the wear and tear. Most of Biid's injuries of late have come on him doing too much IIRC. He got hurt twice last year trying to dunk on whole teams lol. Get a guy who can get him easy looks at the rim or easy spot ups due to the defense having to give a **** about the passer's offense. Its been so long and I have blocked out that year thanks to Kawhii ending my soul but Jimmy was partially that I think. Maxey has the chance to be it but is young, still a bit too gun shy and not a great passer. Hell Benny Boi even with his fear of shooting was a solid set up guy and those close quarters PNRs did damage somehow lol. Building around Biid isn't as easy as building around a wing scorer or a top PG but its not as hard as this team has made it out to be...hell despite everything they had the right blueprint IMO w/ Fultz and Ben IMO. Ben wanted to be more of a PG and Fultz just wasn't it but a shot making guard and an all defense rebounding and passing forward is an easy fit. JJ and Seth are the perfect 2 guard, Dario and Cov were great forward fits too. The IDEA of Tobias as a combo of those two also works. Its just that we got there (even if flawed), and didn't double down on it and instead pivoted to bully ball and are now out of ammo. Team should have ran it back but egos got in that way be it coach, GM, players, or whatever.

[76ciology]

As an offensive player Biid is more like Dirk. A reliable heavy 1 v 1 guy, which is better than a guy like Capela who needs someone to get him good look.

If you look at our end game actions on offense, we just run 2 man games either for the ball handler to get their shots or for Biid to get into his spot for him to operate on his 1v1 (top of the key, left elbow or left baseline)

Biid is not even setting hard screens or rolling to the basket. He’s just purposefully getting to his spot to operate on 1v1

[elchengue20]

Yeah but still having a guy who can get his 23/25 ppg, and 2 or 3 easy looks a game for Biid would be a breath of fresh air.

While also providing more spacing so defense cant colapse so easy when Biid goes to work. That would reduce the wear and tear significatevily.

[76ciology]

Biid needs another 1v1 scorer. While both Biid and that scorer can create for other shooters/lob targets.

Oh wait.. im just describing a generic Daryl Morey team

[NBA Moses]

Ill be dodging shrapnel for this but Im ready to move on from Joel.

Change of scenery is in order and Im ready to rebuild, get younger, get more athletic.

Trade Ben now. Start taking offers for Joel in the summer while he still has some value.

[eyeatoma]

Ill be dodging shrapnel for this but Im ready to move on from Joel.

Change of scenery is in order and Im ready to rebuild, get younger, get more athletic.

Trade Ben now. Start taking offers for Joel in the summer while he still has some value.

Why so we can start this all over again for the next Joel in 5 years? That's dumb, we already have him. We were a Simmons brainfart of a series away from the ECF last year. Y'all wanting to sell high only to go through the same thing to get a similar player are hilarious. Listen to that clip I posted from Bill Simmons. He's a top 5 player in the league and someone who can win you a chip by being the best player in a series when he's engaged. There are a handful of players like that in the league. They are once in a generation.

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[76ciology]

Ill be dodging shrapnel for this but Im ready to move on from Joel.

Change of scenery is in order and Im ready to rebuild, get younger, get more athletic.

Trade Ben now. Start taking offers for Joel in the summer while he still has some value.

Not yet. Thats the last card.

Its like we’re down 10 and we still have a couple of good 5 man units we still haven’t used (dame/top tier star via trade or draft). If we cant dig from this hole after using these two 5 man units, thats when we use that card.

Overall, I think our path is more like GSW circa 2019-2020 or 2020-2021 season. More like the later.

[Rastas]

Joel after this Year still has a 5 year 230 mill contract.
1 serious injury away from being totally untradeable.
You either trade him very soon or you ride or sink on the Embiid Ball express for the next half decade.

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[mjkvol]

Ill be dodging shrapnel for this but Im ready to move on from Joel.

Change of scenery is in order and Im ready to rebuild, get younger, get more athletic.

Trade Ben now. Start taking offers for Joel in the summer while he still has some value.

I get what you're saying, but it makes no sense in the regard that the goal is to get a couple of generational players and build around them. We thought we had that pair, and we still have one in his prime, which puts us ahead of most of the league. It won't happen in one trade, but if everyone but Jo is on the table, Morey can get us that 'other guy' with a series of moves between now and next season.

The thing the fan base has to understand is that it isn't happening with one trade, and it is very likely not happening until the off season. If we're patient (one more time), there's a chance that this could get done. If someone in ownership blinks, all bets are off. I'm willing to wait and see, but if we're in this same spot a year from now, I'll be in the selling column.

[NBA Moses]

Why so we can start this all over again for the next Joel in 5 years? That's dumb, we already have him. Listen to that clip I posted from Bill Simmons. He's a top 5 player in the league and someone who can win you a chip by being the best player in a series when he's engaged. There are a handful of players like that in the league. They are once in a generation.

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Is it dumb? Joel has been in the nba 8 yrs(6 yrs playing time) What has he won?

Who is Bill Simmons anyway? Is he God? So he has an opinion that Joel is a Championship piece. Could he be wrong? Where are the championships?

Something is obviously missing in Bill Simmons theory. No championships. Sixers have taken a huge step back without Ben. Is Joel Lazy, is it his work ethic or is he just not physically capable of being that dominant (lebron/Gianis/Shaq)championship piece?

I saw a 7'2" man amongst boys (supposed Top 5 player) too lackadaisical , too unfocused to dominate and beat the Hawks G-league team with a front court going 6'7"- 6'8".

I hope Joel proves me wrong but I dont see him as #1 Championship piece. His focus,conditioning,the way he plays the game, all need to improve dramatically . People talk about Bens lack of progress but what about Joels almost non existent low post game, poor conditioning almost a decade into his nba career.

[eyeatoma]

Why so we can start this all over again for the next Joel in 5 years? That's dumb, we already have him. Listen to that clip I posted from Bill Simmons. He's a top 5 player in the league and someone who can win you a chip by being the best player in a series when he's engaged. There are a handful of players like that in the league. They are once in a generation.

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Is it dumb? Joel has been in the nba 8 yrs(6 yrs playing time) What has he won?

Who is Bill Simmons anyway? Is he God? So he has an opinion that Joel is a Championship piece. Could he be wrong? Where are the championships?

Something is obviously missing in Bill Simmons theory. No championships. Sixers have taken a huge step back without Ben. Is Joel Lazy, is it his work ethic or is he just not physically capable of being that dominant (lebron/Gianis/Shaq)championship piece?

I saw a 7'2" man amongst boys (supposed Top 5 player) too lackadaisical , too unfocused to dominate and beat the Hawks G-league team with a front court going 6'7"- 6'8".

I hope Joel proves me wrong but I dont see him as #1 Championship piece. His focus,conditioning,the way he plays the game, all need to improve dramatically . People talk about Bens lack of progress but what about Joels almost non existent low post game, poor conditioning almost a decade into his nba career.

Ummm.... the dude was the MVP last year if he played 10 more games.

His post game is non existent because no one can make an entry pass and Doc has him playing like Joker because we don't have apg. I agree he needs to bang more down low.

Dude just came back from COVID and has played 40 minute plus games multiple times. His conditioning can get better but it's better than it has been since 2019 or prior seasons.



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[Mik317]

i wish we would trade Joel

that way it would be a lot easier to care less about this franchise.

[Bum Adebayo]

Why so we can start this all over again for the next Joel in 5 years? That's dumb, we already have him. Listen to that clip I posted from Bill Simmons. He's a top 5 player in the league and someone who can win you a chip by being the best player in a series when he's engaged. There are a handful of players like that in the league. They are once in a generation.

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Is it dumb? Joel has been in the nba 8 yrs(6 yrs playing time) What has he won?

Who is Bill Simmons anyway? Is he God? So he has an opinion that Joel is a Championship piece. Could he be wrong? Where are the championships?

Something is obviously missing in Bill Simmons theory. No championships. Sixers have taken a huge step back without Ben. Is Joel Lazy, is it his work ethic or is he just not physically capable of being that dominant (lebron/Gianis/Shaq)championship piece?

I saw a 7'2" man amongst boys (supposed Top 5 player) too lackadaisical , too unfocused to dominate and beat the Hawks G-league team with a front court going 6'7"- 6'8".

I hope Joel proves me wrong but I dont see him as #1 Championship piece. His focus,conditioning,the way he plays the game, all need to improve dramatically . People talk about Bens lack of progress but what about Joels almost non existent low post game, poor conditioning almost a decade into his nba career.

You saw that? ok, I see another Aussie here.

[Bum Adebayo]

No matter how much the Bum Simmons stans try to alter the reality, in the end Embiid is so much better than Simmons it's not even funny.

[76ciology]

I still think we need to stick with Jojo, unless we’re left with no options (bad luck in ben simmons trade and bad luck in draft).

Many are fixated on Biid. But just as life after Ben, I think most will be surprised that the alternate reality/future is not as bad or may even be better.

Maxey showed us that you dont need someone as popular as Ben to take over the PG position.

I believe there will come a day when the Embiid era ends and a new franchise player takes place and we’ll see how much better and easier it is than playing this russian roulette performance and availability with Embiid. Just as how Rockets went from the Yao Ming era to the James Harden era. But yeah, the gap in between these two eras are going to be rocky but it will sure come.

There is a better life after Jojo. But not yet.

[mjkvol]

I still think we need to stick with Jojo, unless we’re left with no options (bad luck in ben simmons trade and bad luck in draft).

Many are fixated on Biid. But just as life after Ben, I think most will be surprised that the alternate reality/future is not as bad or may even be better.

Maxey showed us that you dont need someone as popular as Ben to take over the PG position.

I believe there will come a day when the Embiid era ends and a new franchise player takes place and we’ll see how much better and easier it is than playing this russian roulette performance and availability with Embiid. Just as how Rockets went from the Yao Ming era to the James Harden era. But yeah, the gap in between these two eras are going to be rocky but it will sure come.

There is a better life after Jojo. But not yet.

The time between real franchise players can be interminable. Iverson was done here in 2006, and it was ten long years before we had anything to really get behind here (aside from the off court drama of The Process).

I believe we can still build a championship contender around Embiid ala late era David Robinson, but it's going to require some patience by ownership and the fan base allowing Morey to do it the right way.

[NBA Moses]

I still think we need to stick with Jojo, unless we’re left with no options (bad luck in ben simmons trade and bad luck in draft).

Many are fixated on Biid. But just as life after Ben, I think most will be surprised that the alternate reality/future is not as bad or may even be better.

Maxey showed us that you dont need someone as popular as Ben to take over the PG position.

I believe there will come a day when the Embiid era ends and a new franchise player takes place and we’ll see how much better and easier it is than playing this russian roulette performance and availability with Embiid. Just as how Rockets went from the Yao Ming era to the James Harden era. But yeah, the gap in between these two eras are going to be rocky but it will sure come.

There is a better life after Jojo. But not yet.

The time between real franchise players can be interminable. Iverson was done here in 2006, and it was ten long years before we had anything to really get behind here (aside from the off court drama of The Process).

I believe we can still build a championship contender around Embiid ala late era David Robinson, but it's going to require some patience by ownership and the fan base allowing Morey to do it the right way.

Keep in mind Iverson was 31 y.o 1 dimensional scorer. His trade value was limited as well as the rest of that roster.

Morey has a 25 y.o. 3 time all-star in Simmons, 28 y.o. 4x all-star in Embiid. Morey should be able to build a young competitive nucleus around the trade pieces of Ben+Joel.

Ben + pieces/picks I'll take DeAaron Fox + Caris Levert
Joel- For instance Deandre Ayton , Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson

You go from an old slow team to a young athletic team. Most seem to be where I was last year, give it another year lets see what happens. We saw what happened in the past year. Joel got worked over by John Collins and Clint Capella , couldnt beat a mediocre Hawks team and this year has been a disaster without Ben.