Fantasy Trade Thread

[Kobblehead]

I don't think Maxey is better than Thomas, he's just been in the oven longer (a full year ahead of time). By the time exponential growth occurs, Thomas is going to separate himself from Maxey pretty quickly.

[76ciology]

Sixers:
Malik Beasley
Taurean Prince (13M expiring)
Josh Okogie (expires after next season)
2022 1st round pick

Wolves:
Tobias Harris
Andre Drummond

Wolves:
Harris upgrade on scoring over Beasley off the bench.
Drummond a great compliment with KAT

Sixers:
Cap flexibility
Beasley type of scorer than Tobi
We get a late lotto to mid first pick in the upcoming draft

Pick is probably going the wrong way.

If pick is an issue then maybe a pick swap option instead, no pick or at worst sixers hands out a second rounder.

[76ciology]

I don't think Maxey is better than Thomas, he's just been in the oven longer (a full year ahead of time). By the time exponential growth occurs, Thomas is going to separate himself from Maxey pretty quickly.

Hahah yeah thats a good point. Short term, like this season, Maxey is better IMO. Next season maybe Thomas starts to separate already.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, like last year, an argument could have been made that Tyrese Haliburton was better than Cole Anthony. And now this season, that's an embarrassing take. Anthony has left him in the dust. No point in even thinking about rookie contract players in the context of who's better that very second.

[Kobblehead]

Sixers:
Reggie Bullock
Mavs 2022 1st round pick

Mavs:
Danny Green

Bullock is underperforming for the Mavs. He can play as good as he was with the Knicks for us. Sixers gets a 1st round pick from the Mavs as compensation

I'd do this deal for the asset, but man, I really dislike Reggie Bullock.

Also, our defense probably drops to 25-30th after this trade.

[76ciology]

Sixers:
David Bertans
2022 Pacers picks swap option
TJ Warren (expiring)
- cap flexibility
- Bertans better in jacking up 3s
- lotto pick in 2022

Pacers:
Tobias Harris
Shake Milton
2023 Sixers first round pick (lotto protected)
2023 Wizards pick swap option
- TJ Warren without the health issues with Tobi
- Gets a first round pick in compensation

Wizards:
TJ McConnel
Jeremy Lamb (expiring)
- Got out of Bertans contract

[Tomjas]

No chance that the Pacers risk a potential lotto pick for Tobias

[76ciology]

No chance that the Pacers risk a potential lotto pick for Tobias

They’re just projected 9th overall right now.

Its a pick swap option. At this rate, it may just be trading down 5 spots from us. With Pacers instantly becoming better after acquiring a 20ppg player and we taking a hit with the talent downgrade.

Pacers will have:
Brogdon
LeVert or Duarte or Milton
Tobias
Sabonis
Turner

^ Talentwise they’re even way more talented than us this season

[the_process]

Sixers:
Reggie Bullock
Mavs 2022 1st round pick

Mavs:
Danny Green

Bullock is underperforming for the Mavs. He can play as good as he was with the Knicks for us. Sixers gets a 1st round pick from the Mavs as compensation

You’d be stuck with that contract for two more years.

Only makes sense if Tobias is going out.

[the_process]

Sixers:
David Bertans
2022 Pacers picks swap option
TJ Warren (expiring)
- cap flexibility
- Bertans better in jacking up 3s
- lotto pick in 2022

Pacers:
Tobias Harris
Shake Milton
2023 Sixers first round pick (lotto protected)
2023 Wizards pick swap option
- TJ Warren without the health issues with Tobi
- Gets a first round pick in compensation

Wizards:
TJ McConnell
Jeremy Lamb (expiring)
- Got out of Bertans contract

I like this idea… but I don’t see a scenario right now where the Sixers get any asset(s) for Tobias.

Also, the Wizards seem to be closer to dealing Beal than to bringing in reinforcements.

[stormi]

Yeah, like last year, an argument could have been made that Tyrese Haliburton was better than Cole Anthony. And now this season, that's an embarrassing take. Anthony has left him in the dust. No point in even thinking about rookie contract players in the context of who's better that very second.

Been looking like Magic 2.0 since Fox and his toxic chucking disappeared

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Cole is awesome but Hali brings a completely different element. 6'5 with that playmaking, defending and shooting potential is salivation worthy.

Not sure who I like more.

[76ciology]

Sixers:
Jabari Smith (1st overall pick)
Buddy Hield
Harrison Barnes
David Bertans
Tristan Thompson (expiring)
^ some help short term while we wait for Jabari Smith to develop

Blazers:
Tobias Harris
Ben Simmons
Andre Drummond
^ Ben Simmons is perfect for CJ and Dame. Tobias plays Melo’s role for them. Drummond as anchor.

Dame
Cj
Ben
Tobias
Drummond

Kings:
Mavs 17th pick
Robert Covington
Anfernee Simmons
Larry Nance
Norman Powell
Reggie Bullock

DeAaron Fox (20+ppg scorer)
Norman Powell (18ppg scorer)
Harrison Barnes (18ppg scorer)
Robert Covington
Rachaun Holmes

Bench:
Haliburton
Reggie Bullock
Simons
Larry Nance
^ starting and bench plays 2 way basketball

Mavs:
Jusuf Nurkic
^ Much needed center and gets away from Bullock contract

Wizards:
Marvin Bagley
^ A pogo stick center that can play with Beal and Dinwiddie while getting away from Bertans contract

Draft night deal
Pistons:
Kings 6th pick
Blazers 7th pick
Sixers 10th pick
Mavs 21st pick
Blazers 2023 pick swap option
Blazers 2024 1st round pick
Shares at Microsoft from the Blazers
Tyrese Maxey
^ Cunningham, maxey and 3 lottery picks. Playoffs next year?

[76ciology]

Be cautious on all around players who are not good scorers or non anchor defensive players, their value are inflated.

[stormi]

Be cautious on all around players who are not good scorers or non anchor defensive players, their value are inflated.

I'm more cautious of "scorers" on losing teams that have numbers that wouldn't translate on a winning team where they don't have the unlimited green light to take bad shots all game long.

You can translate shooting 3's on high volume, defending and playmaking on to good teams.

20 ppg scorers that take 20+ shots a night on garbage teams are the ones you really have to watch to figure out.

[76ciology]

Be cautious on all around players who are not good scorers or non anchor defensive players, their value are inflated.

I'm more cautious of "scorers" on losing teams that have numbers that wouldn't translate on a winning team.

You can translate shooting 3's on high volume, defending and playmaking on to good teams.

20 ppg scorers that take 20+ shots a night on garbage teams are the ones you really have to watch to figure out.

Scorers with efficiency have more value, just look at how much they’re paid compared to all around players.

You also can also surround them with role players or with the right environment and it will change the narrative (i.e Devin Booker, Bradley Beal or Lavine)

Its easier to draft or just select all around role players than these 20+ppg scorers. This is how Nets and Daryl Morey are building their team.

If you look at Morey, he’s just finding cheap all around players or role players for his elite top 2 scorers.

[stormi]

Be cautious on all around players who are not good scorers or non anchor defensive players, their value are inflated.

I'm more cautious of "scorers" on losing teams that have numbers that wouldn't translate on a winning team.

You can translate shooting 3's on high volume, defending and playmaking on to good teams.

20 ppg scorers that take 20+ shots a night on garbage teams are the ones you really have to watch to figure out.

Scorers with efficiency have more value, just look at how much they’re paid compared to all around players.

You also can also surround them with role players or with the right environment and it will change the narrative (i.e Devin Booker, Bradley Beal or Lavine)

Its easier to draft or just select all around role players than these 20+ppg scorers. This is how Nets and Daryl Morey are building their team.

If you look at Morey, he’s just finding cheap all around players or role players for his elite top 2 scorers.

You're talking about elite scorers. Of course elite scorers are transferrable in any situation.

I'm talking about Tobias Harris types who sneakily fit the bill as a "20 ppg scorer" but he can't get to the line or shoot 3's. Fugazi.

Booker and Lavine shot a tonne of 3's and got to the rim at ease, there's nothing to question about their scoring ability.

[stormi]

If Maxey played on the Kings in place of Fox he'd average 22 points per game easily. But you want him out because you don't like the way he gets those baskets, suddenly it doesn't look as pretty when you're playing alongside an actual hulking ballstopper in Joel Embiid.

A player that shoots 6 3's per game and averages 7 assists per game would fit like glue in any situation and they're a walking hub of offense.

[76ciology]

Being an all around player should be about a product of you being a great scorer, or atleast an anchor defensive player.

For instance you can pad your assists numbers like Ben by passing up shot. But guys like Doncic gets their assist numbers because they constantly create and are a threat on offense to score.

You pass too much, you pad your assists.
You dont help on defense and just crash the boards, you pad your rebounds.

[stormi]

Being an all around player should be about a product of you being a great scorer, or atleast an anchor defensive player.

For instance you can pad your assists numbers like Ben by passing up shot. But guys like Doncic gets their assist numbers because they constantly create and are a threat on offense to score.

You pass too much, you pad your assists.
You dont help on defense and just crash the boards, you pad your rebounds.

Right, and just like you can pad anything, you can pad scoring on a bad team. You can pad efficiency by low volume.

All 40% from 3 shooters aren't built the same. Are you creating? Are you catching and shooting? Are you taking 7 per game? Are you taking 2?

Are you a 20 point per game guy AND closing in the clutch? Are you a Tobias Harris and shooting an insubordinate amount of midranges while also folding in every big time scenario?

Numbers lie all the time.

[76ciology]

If Maxey played on the Kings in place of Fox he'd average 22 points per game easily. But you want him out because you don't like the way he gets those baskets, suddenly it doesn't look as pretty when you're playing alongside an actual hulking ballstopper in Joel Embiid.

A player that shoots 6 3's per game and averages 7 assists per game would fit like glue in any situation and they're a walking hub of offense.

You’re referring to Kobble right?

My reasoning for trading Maxey is because he can’t be a top tier player that is needed for us to win with Embiid.

While between Cam Thomas and Maxey, I find Cam Thomas as the option which has that upside to be a top tier player than Embiid.

Cam Thomas can create on halfcourt, unlike Tobi. And against elite defense, I think he will (future) be able to compared to Maxey.