Fantasy Trade Thread

[76ciology]

Maxey’s scoring is as empty as Tobias, both are opportunistic scorers this is why they can’t consistently score 20 a game nor be reliable down the stretch.

Maxey feeds off the defense gravity off the Embiid screen, where Embiid’s defender is glued to Embiid freeing himself for a drive to the rim. Both Tobi and Maxey needs a screen for them to generate the 4v5 situation where both guys can score in mid range. That and transition baskets.

But on iso, I find both guys to be poor to average isolation scorers and can neither carry a team’s offense whenever Biid takes a night off.

Like I said before, Maxey is a good player while I always find Tobias to be not as bad as how most think he is.

They are good players and I wouldn’t mind holding unto them, if only we have Paul George instead of Ben Simmons.

[stormi]

If Maxey played on the Kings in place of Fox he'd average 22 points per game easily. But you want him out because you don't like the way he gets those baskets, suddenly it doesn't look as pretty when you're playing alongside an actual hulking ballstopper in Joel Embiid.

A player that shoots 6 3's per game and averages 7 assists per game would fit like glue in any situation and they're a walking hub of offense.

You’re referring to Kobble right?

My reasoning for trading Maxey is because he can’t be a top tier player that is needed for us to win with Embiid.

While between Cam Thomas and Maxey, I find Cam Thomas as the option which has that upside to be a top tier player than Embiid.

Cam Thomas can create on halfcourt, unlike Tobi. And against elite defense, I think he will (future) be able to compared to Maxey.

They're in the same archetype of player to me. I don't really view Maxey as a traditional floor general so I'm okay with this comparison.

I'd probably take Cam Thomas too. I liked him in the draft and he scores in a way most successful players do. He was getting to the line 7x per game in college and shooting like 8 three's per game. He was likely going to end up being a dominant scorer anyways, but learning from Durant and Harden and getting to play against them in practice every day is going to make him a monster.

L to Morey for not trading up a spot or two to secure him.

[stormi]

I think the Maxey to Harris comparisons are extremely harsh though. Maybe if he never ever gets any better from today on, but he's only 21 years old and I've already seen him decide a playoff game on the road as a rookie. That alone gives me more faith in him than I ever had in Tobias. His scoring repertoire is also so much advanced. He's a tremendous foul stripe shooter, great out of the pick & roll and can get to the rim at will. If he upped his volume from deep, while also learning how to slow the game down in the half court and not rely on being such a tempo merchant he's going to be a really good player. How good though? I don't know.

I feel like he has that it factor though. Intangible, but something about him makes me believe he isn't close to where his ceiling is.

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[the_process]

It would be really nice to get a taller guard who can play defense and run an offense. That way Maxey can mostly play off the ball and focus on scoring. I think there would be a different view of him from that perspective.

[76ciology]

It would be really nice to get a taller guard who can play defense and run an offense. That way Maxey can mostly play off the ball and focus on scoring. I think there would be a different view of him from that perspective.

I think what we need is a reliable go to guy scorer

If you have that, Maxey and/or Tobi’s scoring will just be a bonus that gives you the margin you need over most teams.

Just as Wade and LeBron or Kyrie and LeBron is too much for most teams, and if their opponent can match that, Heat or Cavs still has Bosh or Love for separation. Where as Bosh, Love, Maxey or Tobi can just be opportunistic scorers where your top 2 players are shot creators.

If you need more defense or all around guys, then you just surround it with Biid, 1B and Maxey or Tobi. Where these guys are interchangeable every year like how those Cavs, Warriors or Heat teams do it

What is still a question for me is.. this “go to guy scorer” or “1B” guy, how good should he be? Can he just be someone like Kemba or should he be as good as Lillard? Because right now Morey is going after Lillard and its been a waiting game

[76ciology]

My overall concept is based on the rumor on the night of the Harden trade where there was rumor from a very credible Rockets insider that Morey tried trading Ben Simmons to the Kings for pick to trade for Harden

While this is also in consideration that Nets decided that their big 3 is getting diminishing return on offense and they want a more balanced structure of roster and some assets for the future for the eventual rebuild or for future trades.

Sixers:
James Harden

Kings:
Ben Simmons
^Kings build around Fox, 2022 top 5 pick, Ben Simmons and Haliburton

Nets:
Marvin Bagley
Buddy Hield
Kings 2023 1st round pick
Kings 2025 1st round pick
^ Role players to build around Kyrie and Durant while pick upgrades from the picks they give up which they can again trade for more talented players

* in consideration that Kyrie can now play

[Tomjas]

No chance that the Pacers risk a potential lotto pick for Tobias

They’re just projected 9th overall right now.

Its a pick swap option. At this rate, it may just be trading down 5 spots from us. With Pacers instantly becoming better after acquiring a 20ppg player and we taking a hit with the talent downgrade.

Pacers will have:
Brogdon
LeVert or Duarte or Milton
Tobias
Sabonis
Turner

^ Talentwise they’re even way more talented than us this season

NOBODY is trading anything of value for Tobias

That’s just crazy talk

It will be another terrible contract like Wall/Westbrook or a salary dump

Lucky to get a 2nd with expirings

[mjkvol]

Sixers:
Bertans
Kuzma
Wizards 2022 1st round pick

Wizards:
Tobias Harris

Why for Wizards:
Tobi, Beal and Dinwiddie gives them a big 3 for their standard.

Why for Sixers:
Bertans and Kuzma are contracts easier to trade. Bertans can be a really good player on this team similar to Niang. Kuzma can provide microwave scoring off the bench.

Wizards 1st round pick is the most important asset in return for us in the trade.

If I was Washington, I'd be the one wanting the pick to even think about that deal. This idea of Tobias being part of any "big 3" is a fantasy that is only in the mind of Elton Brand.

From the Sixers standpoint, I'd volunteer to drive Tobias to the airport today.

[mjkvol]

I think the Maxey to Harris comparisons are extremely harsh though. Maybe if he never ever gets any better from today on, but he's only 21 years old and I've already seen him decide a playoff game on the road as a rookie. That alone gives me more faith in him than I ever had in Tobias. His scoring repertoire is also so much advanced. He's a tremendous foul stripe shooter, great out of the pick & roll and can get to the rim at will. If he upped his volume from deep, while also learning how to slow the game down in the half court and not rely on being such a tempo merchant he's going to be a really good player. How good though? I don't know.

I feel like he has that it factor though. Intangible, but something about him makes me believe he isn't close to where his ceiling is.

I agree with this take. I still see Maxey's primary value being that "6th man" type who can provide energy and instant offense rather than as a starting PG. If he ended up being another Lou Williams, maybe better, wouldn't that be well worth a late 1st round pick? A guy like that will always be valuable to a good team.

[Kobblehead]

It would be really nice to get a taller guard who can play defense and run an offense. That way Maxey can mostly play off the ball and focus on scoring. I think there would be a different view of him from that perspective.

How can Maxey play off the ball if he can't/won't shoot, though? That's the problem with him. The only thing he can do is score off the dribble while dominating the ball. Otherwise, he's floating around doing nothing on both ends of the court (no defense, no shooting, subpar positional passing). Maxey is just not a useful asset right now, especially in a starting lineup.

[Kobblehead]

If he upped his volume from deep

The trajectory is not looking optimistic for this, though. His shooting frequency has gone backwards. I think you bail and sell high on him now.

It was a good pick in theory because he was a great shotcreator. But much of his usefullness was always tied to him leveraging his 80%+ free throw shooting into being a willing shooter from three. That hasn't happened through two years. Meaning the majority of the logic of drafting him hasn't come to fruition.

You can draft 6'2" guys that can dribble in every draft. No point in settling down with a guy like Maxey that ONLY brings that to the table.

[stormi]

If he upped his volume from deep

The trajectory is not looking optimistic for this, though. His shooting frequency has gone backwards. I think you bail and sell high on him now.

This take is kind of a ridiculous though. You may very well end up being right, and he isn't the most natural of bombers. His athleticism has probably hampered him in this regard, he's came up relying more on scoring off the dribble as opposed to being a pull up shooter... But there's nothing inherently wrong with his form, and at the moment he's the only guy on this roster I've seen take and make Harden-esque step backs and side steps into 3's.

He's also only 21 years old playing with the starters for the first time. He's deferring a lot to Embiid and Harris and I think that's just his operative role in the pecking order atm. There's no reason he couldn't just be groomed into that all illusive bomber. He has the ability, work ethic, shooting stroke.

But then again imagine relying on the 76ers / Doc Rivers to foster a young talent with huge potential.

[Kobblehead]

I just think it's really hard to successfully conform a guy into something that doesn't come naturally to him. There are examples of failed attempts. There are examples of successful attempts. There are examples of temporary successes that reverted back to failures. Ultimately, it just seems cleaner and easier to just let guys be themselves and just move on from them if they don't fit what you want.

[ProcessDoctor]

It would be really nice to get a taller guard who can play defense and run an offense. That way Maxey can mostly play off the ball and focus on scoring. I think there would be a different view of him from that perspective.

Does his name rhyme with “lay”?

[PhillyFan11]

Sixers Trade: Ben, Tobi, Green and Niang
Sixers Receive: Derrick White, Lauri Markkanen, Buddy Hield, Kevin Love

Cavs Trade: Markkanen, Love, Okoro, and Rubio
Cavs Receive: Ben and Tobi

Spurs Trade: Derrick White
Spurs Receive: Okoro and Green

Kings Trade: Buddy Hield
Kings Receive: Rubio and Niang

White
Curry
Hield
Markkanen
Jo

Maxey
Love
Thybulle
Drummond
Korkmaz
Shake

[mjkvol]

Sixers Trade: Ben, Tobi, Green and Niang
Sixers Receive: Derrick White, Lauri Markkanen, Buddy Hield, Kevin Love

Cavs Trade: Markkanen, Love, Okoro, and Rubio
Cavs Receive: Ben and Tobi

Spurs Trade: Derrick White
Spurs Receive: Okoro and Green

Kings Trade: Buddy Hield
Kings Receive: Rubio and Niang

White
Curry
Hield
Markkanen
Jo

Maxey
Love
Thybulle
Drummond
Korkmaz
Shake

Just glancing at that 'new' lineup, it seems to have 6-8 playoff seed written all over it. If we're going to put all our chips on the table, the payoff has to be better than that, or we might as well just tear it down now.

[youngcrev]

I like Maxey, that Brock Landes dude is the worst though (at least if your looking for something of substance and not some homer stats to make you feel better about a player).

[PhillyFan11]

Sixers Trade: Ben, Tobi, Green and Niang
Sixers Receive: Derrick White, Lauri Markkanen, Buddy Hield, Kevin Love

Cavs Trade: Markkanen, Love, Okoro, and Rubio
Cavs Receive: Ben and Tobi

Spurs Trade: Derrick White
Spurs Receive: Okoro and Green

Kings Trade: Buddy Hield
Kings Receive: Rubio and Niang

White
Curry
Hield
Markkanen
Jo

Maxey
Love
Thybulle
Drummond
Korkmaz
Shake

Just glancing at that 'new' lineup, it seems to have 6-8 playoff seed written all over it. If we're going to put all our chips on the table, the payoff has to be better than that, or we might as well just tear it down now.

Well I would view this trade as a way to retool quickly, not compete right away. I agree that the team above wouldn’t be serious title contenders. But Im looking forward to the off-season where Morey would then have Kevin Love’s big expiring deal as trade bait…which I believe when combined with Curry, Maxey and as many 1st round picks as need be will be more enticing than anything we currently have to offer. The ability to create $40M in cap space is a way better asset the Ben Simmons on a max contract. Plus I’m at the point that any trade that can get rid of Tobi is a win as well (even if I know it’s irrational)

[mjkvol]

Plus I’m at the point that any trade that can get rid of Tobi is a win as well (even if I know it’s irrational)

We are in full agreement there, and I've stopped caring if it's irrational.

[76ciology]

You traded Ben and Tobi to get Derrick White, Markkanen, Hield and Love?