The 2022 NBA Draft Thread

basketballRob · Post #261 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:51 pm

Kendall Brown looks like the next Kobe in his highlights.

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BCS · Post #262 » by **BCS** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:06 pm

basketballRob wrote:Kendall Brown looks like the next Kobe in his highlights.

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Really? Might have to go more in depth with him. The 3 highlight videos or so I've seen have left me unimpressed so far. A better AG is what I was seeing at best. I will start paying more attention to him then.

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Xatticus · Post #263 » by **Xatticus** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:11 pm

BCS wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Kendall Brown looks like the next Kobe in his highlights.

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Really? Might have to go more in depth with him. The 3 highlight videos or so I've seen have left me unimpressed so far. A better AG is what I was seeing at best. I will start paying more attention to him then.

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I thought he looked good in that video, so I checked out his stats. He had 10 assists in that game. He has totaled 8 assists in his other 11 outings combined.

I don't know who he is, but I know it isn't Kobe Bryant.

basketballRob · Post #264 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:14 pm

BCS wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Kendall Brown looks like the next Kobe in his highlights.

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Really? Might have to go more in depth with him. The 3 highlight videos or so I've seen have left me unimpressed so far. A better AG is what I was seeing at best. I will start paying more attention to him then.

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AG doesn't play the same position as him.

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Post #265 » by **Knightro** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:40 pm

OrlChamps2030 · Post #266 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:48 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Banchero strikes me like Porter Jr / Beasley type of guy.
College players are not equipped to defend him because most of college rosters are split between:
a) sub 6'4 guards who can't contest his shooting because they lack size
b) sub 6'8 "bigs" because most of college "bigs " are SFs in nba and hardly any team has solid PF- C duo with real size.

So you have those rare +6'9 guys who can ballhandle a bit and shoot a bit and nobody really can stop them.
Hell, Derrick Williams abused college hoops using fact guards were to weak, bigs were too slow to stop him . In nba nothing about his "rare"skills translated.

Is actual basketball talent either of those guys problem though?

I get what your saying regarding "tweeners" though. But I swear I remember you using the same exact argument against Tatum. What if Banchero actually does turn out to to be too fast for bigs and too big for smaller forwards in the NBA? He doesn't seem like a pure bully like Randle either.. Banchero is more advanced off the dribble.

Just playing a bit of devil's advocate, defending Banchero because he could end up being in play for us. I don't love Banchero (mainly his defense, has me questioning his position in the NBA), but it does seem like "ready" prospects get their readiness held against them sometimes. I mean just a page back, Chet is described as a ball-handling big.. isn't that exactly what Banchero is? He reminds me of a more dynamic Tobias Harris (same comparison I had for Tatum lol) or a Detroit Blake Griffin. A point forward/ball handler at the 4/5 could end up being quite valuable in today's NBA.

Give me Jabari all day though. Chet's frame scares the **** out of me and I don't see Banchero being a superstar.

Petre1978 · Post #267 » by **Petre1978** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:02 pm

Knightro wrote:Latest mock from ESPN.

1. Detroit Pistons - Chet Holmgren | Gonzaga | C | Age: 19.6
2. Oklahoma City Thunder - Paolo Banchero | Duke | F | Age: 19.1
3. Orlando Magic - Jabari Smith | Auburn | F | Age: 18.6
4. Houston Rockets - Jaden Ivey | Purdue | G | Age: 19.8
5. New Orleans Pelicans - Jalen Duren | Memphis | C | Age: 18.0
6. New York Knicks - Jaden Hardy | G League Ignite | G | Age: 19.4
7. San Antonio Spurs - Trevor Keels | Duke | G | Age: 18.3
8. Sacramento Kings - Patrick Baldwin Jr., | Milwaukee | F | Age: 19.0
9. Washington Wizards - Jean Montero | Overtime Elite | G | Age: 18.4
10. Portland Trail Blazers - TyTy Washington Jr., | Kentucky | G | Age: 20.0
11. Memphis Grizzlies (from Lakers) - Bennedict Mathurin | Arizona | F | Age: 19.5
12. Atlanta Hawks - Keegan Murray | Iowa | F | Age: 21.3
13. Toronto Raptors JD Davison | Alabama | G | Age: 19.2
14. Philadelphia 76ers - Johnny Davis | Wisconsin | G | Age: 19.8

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/32920450/2022-nba-mock-draft-jalen-duren-stock-continues-soar-g-league-ignite-stars-jaden-hardy-marjon-beauchamp-show-mixed-results ($)

Trevor Keels at 7

pepe1991 · Post #268 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:02 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Banchero strikes me like Porter Jr / Beasley type of guy.
College players are not equipped to defend him because most of college rosters are split between:
a) sub 6'4 guards who can't contest his shooting because they lack size
b) sub 6'8 "bigs" because most of college "bigs " are SFs in nba and hardly any team has solid PF- C duo with real size.

So you have those rare +6'9 guys who can ballhandle a bit and shoot a bit and nobody really can stop them.
Hell, Derrick Williams abused college hoops using fact guards were to weak, bigs were too slow to stop him . In nba nothing about his "rare"skills translated.

Is actual basketball talent either of those guys problem though?

I get what your saying regarding "tweeners" though. But I swear I remember you using the same exact argument against Tatum. What if Banchero actually does turn out to to be too fast for bigs and too big for smaller forwards in the NBA? He doesn't seem like a pure bully like Randle either.. Banchero is more advanced off the dribble.

Just playing a bit of devil's advocate, defending Banchero because he could end up being in play for us. I don't love Banchero (mainly his defense, has me questioning his position in the NBA), but it does seem like "ready" prospects get their readiness held against them sometimes. I mean just a page back, Chet is described as a ball-handling big.. isn't that exactly what Banchero is? He reminds me of a more dynamic Tobias Harris (same comparison I had for Tatum lol) or a Detroit Blake Griffin. A point forward/ball handler at the 4/5 could end up being quite valuable in today's NBA.

Give me Jabari all day though. Chet's frame scares the **** out of me and I don't see Banchero being a superstar.

Yea Tatum was similar, he was taking bunch of mid range shots. And everything was fine until Brad Stevens walked away from coaching. You look Tatum today, 41,9% FG, 31% for 3 , on pace to miss 1000 shots ( leading league in missed shots) and there are some similarities with his "question marks" from draft night.

I'm not against drafting him tho, it's not like i hate him or anything, i'm just pointing out that lot of people who are blessed with his frame & size dominate in college because teams can't guard them.

Skybox · Post #269 » by **Skybox** » Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:45 pm

Xatticus wrote:
BCS wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Kendall Brown looks like the next Kobe in his highlights.

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Really? Might have to go more in depth with him. The 3 highlight videos or so I've seen have left me unimpressed so far. A better AG is what I was seeing at best. I will start paying more attention to him then.

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I thought he looked good in that video, so I checked out his stats. He had 10 assists in that game. He has totaled 8 assists in his other 11 outings combined.

I don't know who he is, but I know it isn't Kobe Bryant.

If only they played "Nicholls" every week...I'm not the deepest NCAA follower in recent years, but who?

Post #270 » by **Knightro** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:53 pm

Read on Twitter

Worth keeping an eye on as the season unfolds.

Petre1978 · Post #271 » by **Petre1978** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:32 pm

Read on Twitter

Stronger than Ingram, so call defend the 4 like Collins and Aldridge, but smoother on the wings and on ball like Ingram, but not close to KD fluidity.

My favorite pick for the Magic.

axl_c_cool · Post #272 » by **axl_c_cool** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 5:17 pm

He's my pick too. The back court is overloaded, Franz is our 3, we shouldn't draft another center unless it's Shaq 2.0, he's the pick. Someone would have to come out and be next generational for me, otherwise it's Jabari hands down

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MMFla · Post #273 » by **MMFla** » Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:25 pm

I was watching some U19 clips to see how Chet went against Victor and against Canada and instead I was like who is this number 9 for the US he's really good. I kept seeing you guys post Ivey's highlights but didn't watch to closely but man I like him. Another guard though but hey if he's the best available I wouldn't be mad.

Jabari Smith is def the player I'd see our front office pick though, I'm liking him the most out of the draft. Him or Chet is who I think we end up with.

Post #274 » by **Knightro** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:15 am

axl_c_cool wrote:He's my pick too. The back court is overloaded, Franz is our 3, we shouldn't draft another center unless it's Shaq 2.0, he's the pick. Someone would have to come out and be next generational for me, otherwise it's Jabari hands down

I like Jabari Smith and as of now I wouldn't be against selecting him with a high pick, but I'd only select him if he's the no questions asked BPA on the board.

The backcourt isn't really as overloaded as it appears. They have a lot of bodies, sure, but they don't have answers necessarily yet.

If they think Ivey or some other guard could be a high end starter, then they should take him and just trade away one or more of Anthony/Fultz/Hampton.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #275 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 5:31 am

Knightro wrote:
axl_c_cool wrote:He's my pick too. The back court is overloaded, Franz is our 3, we shouldn't draft another center unless it's Shaq 2.0, he's the pick. Someone would have to come out and be next generational for me, otherwise it's Jabari hands down

I like Jabari Smith and as of now I wouldn't be against selecting him with a high pick, but I'd only select him if he's the no questions asked BPA on the board.

The backcourt isn't really as overloaded as it appears. They have a lot of bodies, sure, but they don't have answers necessarily yet.

If they think Ivey or some other guard could be a high end starter, then they should take him and just trade away one or more of Anthony/Fultz/Hampton.

That’s what the front office should do in this scenario with Ivey.. but they don’t seem particularly proactive on the trade front. I could easily see them running it back with the same roster + Ivey citing they need to see what the team looks like fully healthy. Especially with next season looking likely to be another inevitable rebuild/tank year with no expectations

zaymon · Post #276 » by **zaymon** » Sat Dec 25, 2021 7:34 am

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
axl_c_cool wrote:He's my pick too. The back court is overloaded, Franz is our 3, we shouldn't draft another center unless it's Shaq 2.0, he's the pick. Someone would have to come out and be next generational for me, otherwise it's Jabari hands down

I like Jabari Smith and as of now I wouldn't be against selecting him with a high pick, but I'd only select him if he's the no questions asked BPA on the board.

The backcourt isn't really as overloaded as it appears. They have a lot of bodies, sure, but they don't have answers necessarily yet.

If they think Ivey or some other guard could be a high end starter, then they should take him and just trade away one or more of Anthony/Fultz/Hampton.

That’s what the front office should do in this scenario with Ivey.. but they don’t seem particularly proactive on the trade front. I could easily see them running it back with the same roster + Ivey citing they need to see what the team looks like fully healthy. Especially with next season looking likely to be another inevitable rebuild/tank year with no expectations

I would be very suprised if we took another small guard. We need more 6'8-7'0 guys. Look at our finals teams, they were both huge. Only guard i consider is Keels becouse he is super strong and good passer but i would propably lean towards Kendall Brown, Mathurin. Of course they are in different ranges right now but i would avoid Ivey in top 5.

drsd · Post #277 » by **drsd** » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:36 am

If the Magic finishes as the worst team in the NBA, there is a 47.86% chance Orlando drafts 5th.
If the Magic finishes second, then it is 47.86% to finish 5th or 6th.

At this point, we should accept that the Magic is most probable to get either the 5th or 6th selection in the coming draft.
What is great it that the mid-lottery is flush with SGs. So the Magic will get a positional need in choosing between:
Jaden Ivey, Bennedict Mathurin, MarJon Beauchamp, Blake Wesley, Bryce McGowens, and Max Christie.

Ivey and Mathurin are easily the "safest" of the lot.

I am mentally bracing myself for Mathurin, as he ticks the Magic-boxes.

JTG_92940618 · Post #278 » by **JTG_92940618** » Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:04 am

For me, Kendall Brown would have to be in consideration at 5 or 6.

Post #279 » by **Knightro** » Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:12 pm

drsd wrote:If the Magic finishes as the worst team in the NBA, there is a 47.86% chance Orlando drafts 5th.
If the Magic finishes second, then it is 47.86% to finish 5th or 6th.

At this point, we should accept that the Magic is most probable to get either the 5th or 6th selection in the coming draft.

*Odds are literally higher than Magic will pick 1-4 than 5-6*

drsd: “brace yourself for the 5th or 6th pick!”

C’mon now.

RichCollab · Post #280 » by **RichCollab** » Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:06 pm

Drafting BPA + highest upside

Who is your early favorite?