Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[will]

Scottie Barnes an absolute monster. Once he has that 'takeover' mentality and The Pecking Order is no more....HOOOOOOOOOOOO MAN!

[Madhouse]

I see him a lot in the first quarter and the first half. Second half? Meh.

11 points to 8 points. Fred takes over at the end. Big deal. You don't see it, you read it and accept it as fact.

We have a losing record overall. As for them being just empty, that's entirely dumb.

So genius , who comes off the bench when Nurse decides he needs to start a 5? Sooner or later the team will need to fix the overlap problem.

Exactly, this was my point earlier. The fit is poor because Siakam needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot all that well. I have already seen people wanting to bench Barnes which only strengthens the argument of the issue. You need a rim protector, you can't bench the future of the franchise and you also really can't bench a 35M player. Now benching Barnes would be good for the tank potentially but what would change next year? It would be the same exact issue.

The 6-11 record isn't even because Siakam has been bad. He has been searching for his 18-19 form for 3 years now but he is still a positive impact player, the problem is there is no spacing with him. He is shooting about 40% from midrange and 30% from 3.

They will continue to try it until the end of the year in some way but it will just launch us into the lottery.

[will]

11 points to 8 points. Fred takes over at the end. Big deal. You don't see it, you read it and accept it as fact.

We have a losing record overall. As for them being just empty, that's entirely dumb.

So genius , who comes off the bench when Nurse decides he needs to start a 5? Sooner or later the team will need to fix the overlap problem.

Exactly, this was my point earlier. The fit is poor because Siakam needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot all that well. I have already seen people wanting to bench Barnes which only strengthens the argument of the issue. You need a rim protector, you can't bench the future of the franchise and you also really can't bench a 35M player. Now benching Barnes would be good for the tank potentially but what would change next year? It would be the same exact issue.

The 6-11 record isn't even because Siakam has been bad. He has been searching for his 18-19 form for 3 years now but he is still a positive impact player, the problem is there is no spacing with him. He is shooting about 40% from midrange and 30% from 3.

They will continue to try it until the end of the year in some way but it will just launch us into the lottery.

Part of this issue is compounded with Pascal being the 1A or 1B offensive option. He simply is not that guy for that.

Now, if he were to concede a bit there and get the rock to a playmaker like Scottie MUCH earlier in the shot clock? He would certainly see a lot more cleaner and easier looks for buckets. Less rock pounding for sure.

[Dude-niagara]

The Cavs after Lebron came into the league traded out vets who could not accept a young player being the top option.They surrounded him with players who were both good and willing to defer. I think OG/Trent are very good and would have no problem deferring to Scottie next season. The Raptors need to break up that Siakam /Fred combo because those two will ice Scottie and that is going to be problem. So you keep Fred because we need a PG and trade out Siakam who essentially plays the same position as Scottie

[Madhouse]

HE STAY.

Who the fk is this clown Yonis radar? STFU already and to see his post multiple times. Scottie going nowhere with Masai around, first thing Masai dose is fix the Siakam issue of him needing to be the guy. Sorry Siakam but Scottie the man and everyone knows your not a true #1 option. We also know you expect to have at least 20 plus attempts a night because you think you're the guy.

Anyone dreaming this was going to work after Siakam cried about being the man does not understand sports. Fred is the PG and he is going tp always look for his good buddy Siakam first when he is not jacking shots himself. May not be a huge problem this season but it cannot happen next season or Scottie's camp will start complaining. I think OG and Trent would be great complementary players to Scottie with Fred and a more dominant defensive center.

To be clear I like SIAKAM and think he is a good player, I just cannot see him willing to defer to Scottie , sure when he gets doubled or runs out of options but he will not accept the team running offence through Scottie. Plays that we saw Scottie running in that Nets game against KD have to be run way more often and that is not going happen with Fred & Siakam so you trade Siakam and his ego away

He can be very useful as a #3. If he wants to act and get the usage of a #1 here, we will lose a lot of games.

[Dude-niagara]

Once the Raps draft a legit #1 scorer and/or Scottie Barnes does evolve into that guy, yeah...

We already know they ain't the ones, but merely the placeholders for this season at minimum. Patience, young grasshoppers.

I think we will be fine and better team basketball without Siakam

[will]

The Cavs after Lebron came into the league traded out vets who could not accept a young player being the top option.They surrounded him with players who were both good and willing to defer. I think OG/Trent are very good and would have no problem deferring to Scottie next season. The Raptors need to break up that Siakam /Fred combo because those two will ice Scottie and that is going to be problem. So you keep Fred because we need a PG and trade out Siakam who essentially plays the same position as Scottie

For now, the Raps need Pascal and Fred to hold things down whilst the squad is evolving. It's a combination of Scottie not being ready to be 'the guy', and another NBA GM accepting Pascal or FVV's hefty contracts.

It would be easier said that done to make a deal work for the Raps and another team.

[will]

Once the Raps draft a legit #1 scorer and/or Scottie Barnes does evolve into that guy, yeah...

We already know they ain't the ones, but merely the placeholders for this season at minimum. Patience, young grasshoppers.

I think we will be fine and better team basketball without Siakam

100%

It is easier in theory to just trade Pascal, but in reality that would be a lot more difficult.

[Dude-niagara]

HE STAY.

Who the fk is this clown Yonis radar? STFU already and to see his post multiple times. Scottie going nowhere with Masai around, first thing Masai dose is fix the Siakam issue of him needing to be the guy. Sorry Siakam but Scottie the man and everyone knows your not a true #1 option. We also know you expect to have at least 20 plus attempts a night because you think you're the guy.

Anyone dreaming this was going to work after Siakam cried about being the man does not understand sports. Fred is the PG and he is going tp always look for his good buddy Siakam first when he is not jacking shots himself. May not be a huge problem this season but it cannot happen next season or Scottie's camp will start complaining. I think OG and Trent would be great complementary players to Scottie with Fred and a more dominant defensive center.

To be clear I like SIAKAM and think he is a good player, I just cannot see him willing to defer to Scottie , sure when he gets doubled or runs out of options but he will not accept the team running offence through Scottie. Plays that we saw Scottie running in that Nets game against KD have to be run way more often and that is not going happen with Fred & Siakam so you trade Siakam and his ego away

He can be very useful as a #3. If he wants to act and get the usage of a #1 here, we will lose a lot of games.

You did read all the stories from Siakam and even Fred about Siakam being the guy and #1 option, so while agree he could be a great 2a or 2b option for the Raptors. I don't see him accepting that and I also see his buddy Fred making sure Siakam gets his 20 plus attempts a night.

[Dude-niagara]

Once the Raps draft a legit #1 scorer and/or Scottie Barnes does evolve into that guy, yeah...

We already know they ain't the ones, but merely the placeholders for this season at minimum. Patience, young grasshoppers.

I think we will be fine and better team basketball without Siakam

100%

It is easier in theory to just trade Pascal, but in reality that would be a lot more difficult.

No question it will be tough to trade him, that is because he is overpaid. I still think there could be a few teams interested and getting him off this team allows guys behind him to move forward. If he was that good , the team would not be 6-11 with him starting so let's stop kidding ourselves. He usually gets a majority of his points in the first half when teams are not really defending much to start games and then disappears in the second half after teans have made adjustments and start defending more.

[Psubs]

The Cavs after Lebron came into the league traded out vets who could not accept a young player being the top option.They surrounded him with players who were both good and willing to defer. I think OG/Trent are very good and would have no problem deferring to Scottie next season. The Raptors need to break up that Siakam /Fred combo because those two will ice Scottie and that is going to be problem. So you keep Fred because we need a PG and trade out Siakam who essentially plays the same position as Scottie

Siakam, Flynn and cash for Sabonis, Wanamaker and TJ Warren (buyout/waive) is the trade that makes the most sense. Sabonis is a willing passer and is willing to just grab 15-20 rebounds to win. I included Flynn to make it make more sense for Indiana as they want to rebuild; as Sabonis is 2 years younger than Siakam.

2022/2023

PG FVV - Banton/DJ
SG Trent - 1st pick - Banton
SF OG - Barnes - Champagnie
PF Barnes - Yuta - Precious
C Sabonis - Precious - Birch

[Madhouse]

Once the Raps draft a legit #1 scorer and/or Scottie Barnes does evolve into that guy, yeah...

We already know they ain't the ones, but merely the placeholders for this season at minimum. Patience, young grasshoppers.

I think we will be fine and better team basketball without Siakam

100%

It is easier in theory to just trade Pascal, but in reality that would be a lot more difficult.

seems very doable to me. The question is just what would it bring back. Might be more the Rudy Gay return than a star though.

[Madhouse]

The team is 6-11 with Siakam starting with two of those wins against the mighty Kings. People need to decide who they want to see as the top option Scottie or Siakam , because it's a pipe dream if you think Siakam is not going to have another hissy fit when his usage and attempts go down. We have a winning record with OG and Scottie starting

The ball sticks with Siakam. His reads are slightly slow but enough to not make the defense crack. Siakam is best as a 3rd option slasher. He's needs to get back to focusing on rebounding, steals, blocks and rim-running. Optimally averaging 19-20ppg on better shooting efficiency.

True. The problem is that the Raps have spent 2 seasons convincing him to iso more and lead the offense and be the 1st option. Not sure how they go about changing their messaging and for a rookie no less. I still think Siakam will need to be traded so that OG/Scottie can get a decent fit around them (an actual C and SG)

Not even sure how they want to address C and an actual bench anyway without a trade.

[Madhouse]

The team is 6-11 with Siakam starting with two of those wins against the mighty Kings. People need to decide who they want to see as the top option Scottie or Siakam , because it's a pipe dream if you think Siakam is not going to have another hissy fit when his usage and attempts go down. We have a winning record with OG and Scottie starting

The ball sticks with Siakam. His reads are slightly slow but enough to not make the defense crack. Siakam is best as a 3rd option slasher. He's needs to get back to focusing on rebounding, steals, blocks and rim-running. Optimally averaging 19-20ppg on better shooting efficiency.

It amazes me Siakam fanboys coming to defend him at this point with his empty stats. We're 6-11 with Siakam starting so I don't know how people can confuse that with great Scottie chemistry. With OG and Scottie we have a winning record, the team shares the ball more and even beat the Celtics in Boston which almost never happens. In 3 games against the Celtics this season were 1-2, two losses came with Siakam starting. I think Scottie will be ready at the start of next season to take on a bigger role and more attempts, how is that going to happen with MR I am the man Siakam on this team?

that's the lesser issue, how would we even lineup in that case longterm?

People were convinced someone except an actual C could play C and it clearly didn't work at all.

[will]

The Cavs after Lebron came into the league traded out vets who could not accept a young player being the top option.They surrounded him with players who were both good and willing to defer. I think OG/Trent are very good and would have no problem deferring to Scottie next season. The Raptors need to break up that Siakam /Fred combo because those two will ice Scottie and that is going to be problem. So you keep Fred because we need a PG and trade out Siakam who essentially plays the same position as Scottie

Siakam, Flynn and cash for Sabonis, Wanamaker and TJ Warren (buyout/waive) is the trade that makes the most sense. Sabonis is a willing passer and is willing to just grab 15-20 rebounds to win. I included Flynn to make it make more sense for Indiana as they want to rebuild; as Sabonis is 2 years younger than Siakam.

2022/2023

PG FVV - Banton/DJ
SG Trent - 1st pick - Banton
SF OG - Barnes - Champagnie
PF Barnes - Yuta - Precious
C Sabonis - Precious - Birch

Now the argument goes to the defensive side of the ball. Love Arvydas' boy on the offensive side, not so much when it comes to the defensive side.

[will]

We got any predictions for what Scottie does in the second half of the season in 2022?

[ConSarnit]

Its like you hadn't seen him play this year.

I see him a lot in the first quarter and the first half. Second half? Meh.

11 points to 8 points. Fred takes over at the end. Big deal. You don't see it, you read it and accept it as fact.

We have a losing record overall. As for them being just empty, that's entirely dumb.

I feel your pain.

Siakam has the best non-pg assist% of anyone on the team. He’s averaging 3.7ast from the pf/c slot. Those are very good numbers for a pf/c.

So we have a guy (Siakam) who provides good playmaking from pf/c. He creates far more opportunities for others than OG. He also has a +’ve plus/minus (+2, better than Scottie), yet somehow Siakam is the problem?

Honestly, the posters railing against Siakam in here are just embarrassing.

[Madhouse]

The team is 6-11 with Siakam starting with two of those wins against the mighty Kings. People need to decide who they want to see as the top option Scottie or Siakam , because it's a pipe dream if you think Siakam is not going to have another hissy fit when his usage and attempts go down. We have a winning record with OG and Scottie starting

The ball sticks with Siakam. His reads are slightly slow but enough to not make the defense crack. Siakam is best as a 3rd option slasher. He's needs to get back to focusing on rebounding, steals, blocks and rim-running. Optimally averaging 19-20ppg on better shooting efficiency.

I think he needs to be traded because I cannot see him accepting a lesser role, one that make more sense to the team but not to him

He is similar to Monta Ellis on the Warriors with Curry. We have a more talented player there and too many roster holes to not trade him.

[will]

I see him a lot in the first quarter and the first half. Second half? Meh.

11 points to 8 points. Fred takes over at the end. Big deal. You don't see it, you read it and accept it as fact.

We have a losing record overall. As for them being just empty, that's entirely dumb.

I feel your pain.

Siakam has the best non-pg assist% of anyone on the team. He’s averaging 3.7ast from the pf/c slot. Those are very good numbers for a pf/c.

So we have a guy (Siakam) who provides good playmaking from pf/c. He creates far more opportunities for others than OG. He also has a +’ve plus/minus (+2, better than Scottie), yet somehow Siakam is the problem?

Honestly, the posters railing against Siakam in here are just embarrassing.

My argument is Pascal being the guy and getting 20+ shats a game. It's not working, and frankly I do not see it working. The contract dictates that.

I agree he is a very good play making player at the 4/5 spots. It gets really bad when he is pounding the rock and looking for his own shats...to the detriment of moving the ball which would actually help him get easier looks.

Set aside the pride and ask for help, because he already secured the bag.

[will]

The ball sticks with Siakam. His reads are slightly slow but enough to not make the defense crack. Siakam is best as a 3rd option slasher. He's needs to get back to focusing on rebounding, steals, blocks and rim-running. Optimally averaging 19-20ppg on better shooting efficiency.

I think he needs to be traded because I cannot see him accepting a lesser role, one that make more sense to the team but not to him

He is similar to Monta Ellis on the Warriors with Curry. We have a more talented player there and too many roster holes to not trade him.

MMhhmmm.