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Post#101 » by GTR11 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:23 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Harden had a 36 pt triple double with 17 trips to the FT line after a 15 day lay off but some of yall really showed your asses tonight.


Turned the ball over twice, went 0-7 from the field, played matador D entire 4th quarter that's all while having two week rest and getting 40m. How exactly he looked this season? What exactly did I say that is not factual? If anything you should go and re-watch some games from last year before hemi.

As for trip-double, Russ had one too. Point is, was it impactfull or was it inspite of.

I'm not bashing him for no damn reason here. This is a guy that supposedly should be taking us over the hump, he's not doing it and not looking like he'll do period. Anything shorter than chip is huge failure for me. If some have mediocre expectations, cool with me. Just don't come up and say Harden is delivering it and some of us based. He's not playing to the level he suppose to, he's definitely not top 5 ( not that I've asked him to be this season ), sad thing is that he not playing to all star level. I'd take 3-5 players before him right now.

Pretty much half of the season is gone and this team still has no set rotations or clue f*** they are. I'm starting to doubt a lot of things simply because this star driving theory is not working. LBJ was/is the only player who managed to do it one's, we here... we can't even get set rotations.


We have issues, a lot of them, time starting to work against us now.
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Post#102 » by GTR11 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:27 am

DarkXaero wrote:Funny to talk about use of timeouts to stop runs tonight when the timeouts didn't stop ****. Sometimes the other team just has more talent and momentum, and have the advantage of the crowd behind them (officiating was also kind to Lakers tonight). Nets collectively went cold for a very long stretch in the 4th quarter, missing the few good looks that they did get. Harden went 0-7 in the 4th but of course, we don't need to talk about that.

A lot of you have it out so bad for Nash that you'll never give him the credit he deserves. He's not a mistake free coach by any means but he has shown more than enough, yet will never ever get the credit here.


You say this stuff yet using it to defend Nash? C'mon now. His 4th quarter rotations almost cost us game.

Nash coaching this team to best record in EC is the only thing that Nash has going for him, if anything he says that himself in post games. Other than that, this team don't look like chip contender by any means. If regular season wins is all that we should be happy about than he has no business coaching this team.
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Re: Nets @ Lakers gamethread 

Post#103 » by Whiskey Slick » Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:25 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:Harden had a 36 pt triple double with 17 trips to the FT line after a 15 day lay off but some of yall really showed your asses tonight.


Anything shorter than chip is huge failure for me.

There's only ONE GUY to blame if this team doesn't win the chip and it's not James Harden.

ONE GUY and we all know who it is. I shouldn't even have to name the Judas Iscariot, so I won't.
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Post#104 » by Sharcm1 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:45 pm

They were a Westbrook missed dunk away from losing this game. They played well first quarter and third quarter. I thought harden looked tired in the fourth. I thought Nash should have put patty mills back in the game earlier in the fourth. And taken a damn time out. His inability to take time outs to stop runs really continues. He did it all last year and again this year. I don’t understand when everyone else seems to be able to see it. I was yelling at the tv to take a time out. The lack of defensive adjustments on the lebron cuts to the basket also drove me nuts. How many times do they have to run that play for Nash to make an adjustment.

Glad they won and to be honest I expected them to get blown out missing so many players, but the guys came to play and played hard.
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Post#105 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 26, 2021 1:19 pm

Still buzzing about this win. Harden looked amazing, Mills is just on another level right now and the defensive dogs are relentless. Once we add KD, Kyrie, Harris and the young boys we will be unstoppable
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Post#106 » by HardenGoat » Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:32 pm


Pretty much half of the season is gone and this team still has no set rotations or clue f*** they are. I'm starting to doubt a lot of things simply because this star driving theory is not working. LBJ was/is the only player who managed to do it one's, we here... we can't even get set rotations.


We have issues, a lot of them, time starting to work against us now.


You realize we had half our team and 4 starters out this game?
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Post#107 » by NetsWorld » Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:25 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Still buzzing about this win. Harden looked amazing, Mills is just on another level right now and the defensive dogs are relentless. Once we add KD, Kyrie, Harris and the young boys we will be unstoppable


This was our most important win of the season; not because of the quality of the team but because we faced LBJ on national TV on arguably the biggest holiday. Harden looks like the rest paid dividends and he played like Houston Harden. What I have noticed about the game is as long as the defense is clicking, offense will come no matter how hard it is. Big win boys.
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Post#108 » by Stone » Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:55 pm

Harden had no choice in the forth quarter but to play no defense, he had 5 fouls at that point. I also agree Nash should should have called a TO to get him rest or just just break the Lakers momentum. Or Nash should have sat him for a minute or two.

But that magnificent assist he threw to Claxton was absolute perfection. I can't think of anyone else who could make such a pin point play. It has to go down as the play of the season so far. Claxton is going to be showing that one to his Grandkids.

Even after thinking it through I still disagree with Michael Wilbon, who I think usually does a good job. I get that we are down guys, but to say that we are Harden and a bunch of G leaguers......That ain't right, Patty, Blake, Bruce, Bembry etc... deserve a lot more respect than that.
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Post#109 » by gigantes » Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:09 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:...I thought harden looked tired in the fourth...

My streams kept failing, so I largely had to follow along with ESPN's web-gamecast. They've added simple animations over the years showing players hitting shots, missing them, where they attempted them, etc, and somehow it sells a certain illusion, like you're watching the game from the room over from the TV.

Point is, even from that simple experience, I kept thinking 'The Beard is tired, Nash, The Beard is tired, time to take him out.'

So Harden wound up playing all but ~8-9 minutes of the entire game after that long layoff. If this pattern keeps up, one of our stars is going to get injured because Nash doesn't have the jimmies to manage minutes better or say "no" to a star who insists he leave them in.

I don't understand why Marks and a quality coaching staff haven't been more influential on this shizzle.
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Post#110 » by DarkXaero » Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:38 pm

I'm tired of these dumb arguments here over and over again, it's why I barely post anymore here. Timeouts aren't the only thing in coaching, there's a lot more to coaching than timeouts. Nash was late to use timeouts a couple of times last night. Generally, he has been a lot better this year in timeout usage than last year. But speaking of last night, the timeouts did not stop the bleeding. Timeouts are not some magical solution to automatically stop the other team's run/momentum. It can help, sure but it's not always the case and wasn't the case last night. Lakers sustained their runs despite our timeouts, and we had our biggest runs of the game without taking timeouts.

Nash has managed to keep this team #1 in the East, despite having to play the likes of Bruce Brown, Deandre Bembry, Cam Thomas, David Duke Jr, Kessler Edwards, Jevon Carter, etc. minutes. We've managed to win games despite injuries, covid, kyrie, key guys underperforming, guys being in and out of the lineups. Nash dealt with the same adversity last season, and he's still dealing with it again. But no, god forbid that we give some credit to him for that, and managing to keep the team afloat very well. This forum as small as it is, you guys live in your own echo chamber, because while Nash criticism exists elsewhere too, it's nowhere near this extent.
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Post#111 » by Jay555 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:08 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Harden had a 36 pt triple double with 17 trips to the FT line after a 15 day lay off but some of yall really showed your asses tonight.


Turned the ball over twice, went 0-7 from the field, played matador D entire 4th quarter that's all while having two week rest and getting 40m. How exactly he looked this season? What exactly did I say that is not factual? If anything you should go and re-watch some games from last year before hemi.

As for trip-double, Russ had one too. Point is, was it impactfull or was it inspite of.

I'm not bashing him for no damn reason here. This is a guy that supposedly should be taking us over the hump, he's not doing it and not looking like he'll do period. Anything shorter than chip is huge failure for me. If some have mediocre expectations, cool with me. Just don't come up and say Harden is delivering it and some of us based. He's not playing to the level he suppose to, he's definitely not top 5 ( not that I've asked him to be this season ), sad thing is that he not playing to all star level. I'd take 3-5 players before him right now.

Pretty much half of the season is gone and this team still has no set rotations or clue f*** they are. I'm starting to doubt a lot of things simply because this star driving theory is not working. LBJ was/is the only player who managed to do it one's, we here... we can't even get set rotations.


We have issues, a lot of them, time starting to work against us now.



You are a hater lol.. Without Harden or Mills, we lose this game easy. Harden was clearly spent in the 4th and the 5 fouls made him hesitate a lot on both ends. I thought Harden looked great and was a lot like the Houston Harden. He’s quicker and thinner.

You are also a pessimist. We are No.1 in the East despite all the injuries and Ky not playing..Winning a chip is hard because it is about luck sometimes. You can have all the superstars in the world but injuries would still prevent you from getting one. However, with Ky back, we are clearly the fav even with a 80% Houston Harden. What we need to hope for is that they keep gelling moving forward and that we are injury free the rest of the way instead of worrying about us not having set rotations when most teams are on the same boat due to Covid protocols.
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Post#112 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:32 pm

Nash had this team up and prepared to play after a long lay off for multiple players. I'm not sure why he's getting bashed here in a game where we were clearly better on both ends of the floor.

Harden and Mills were out there with sometimes 3 to 4 non shooters and we were dogging the Lakers. Gotta credit the man.
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Post#113 » by Prokorov » Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:02 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Still buzzing about this win. Harden looked amazing, Mills is just on another level right now and the defensive dogs are relentless. Once we add KD, Kyrie, Harris and the young boys we will be unstoppable


This was our most important win of the season; not because of the quality of the team but because we faced LBJ on national TV on arguably the biggest holiday. Harden looks like the rest paid dividends and he played like Houston Harden. What I have noticed about the game is as long as the defense is clicking, offense will come no matter how hard it is. Big win boys.


Losing on national TV is never fun, so this was a good win to have. but this was not a quality win. the lakers are not a good team. you can argue they are a bad team. they have a losing record multiple games under ,.500. if they were in the east, they would currently not even be a play-in team.

The lakers are mediocure on offense and without AD are abysmal on offense. all-time bad spacing, one of the biggest high volume negative players in westbrook, and nothing to speak of outside lebron. on defense, again they have no stoppers outside lebron with AD sidelined. their best defender was a 10 day contract stanley johnson.

they are the west equivolent of the pacers or knicks
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Post#114 » by Prokorov » Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:14 pm

DarkXaero wrote:I'm tired of these dumb arguments here over and over again, it's why I barely post anymore here. Timeouts aren't the only thing in coaching, there's a lot more to coaching than timeouts.


Of course there is. But timeouts are a super important part of coaching. and its one of the few ways a coach can insert his influence on the game positively or negatively. Nash, consistently has a massive negative impact with his misuse/nonuse of timeouts. This game should have been a huge blowout. he not once, but twice blew an obvious choice to call a timeout before a 6-8 point run turned into a 14-16 point run.

What is worse is that he often makes the situation worse by combining his poor decision making with his poor use of timeouts. for instance in the first half after refusing to use the timeout until the run hit 13-0, he then came back WITH THE EXACT SAME LINEUP. Like 0 subs to a lineup that was getting anihilated. so you didnt break momentum, LA has confidence, the crowd is in a frenzy and you send out the same lineup that was getting pummeled? that is not a rational coaching decision in foresight or hindsight.

Timeouts matter alot. the difference in calling a timeout after a 6 or 8-0 run vs 13-15-0 run is fans going to the bathroom vs. fans staying in the seats being on their feet screaming until play returns

Nash was late to use timeouts a couple of times last night. Generally, he has been a lot better this year in timeout usage than last year.
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But speaking of last night, the timeouts did not stop the bleeding. Timeouts are not some magical solution to automatically stop the other team's run/momentum. It can help, sure but it's not always the case and wasn't the case last night. Lakers sustained their runs despite our timeouts, and we had our biggest runs of the game without taking timeouts. [/quite]

of course the timeouts didnt stop the bleeding, the wound was already too deep because he waited to long to call the timeout. the idea is to call the timeout before they gain momentum, not to stop momentum. call it at 6 or 8 points before it snowballs to a 15 point run and the fans turn rabid. you call a timeout at 6 or 8 points and its still a huge lead, you can sub in some guys, and the fans arent in a frenzy yet.

this is coaching 101.



No, Nash didnt manage to do anything, his stars have dragged him to that record. they have done it inspite of him. any other coach in this league and we are battling GSW for the best record in the league.

Also, the idea nash is playing short handed is absurd. every team is dealing with injuries and protocols and covid. the difference is nash has kevin durant and james harden and a super deep team of NBA veterans. when embiid went down, tobias harris wasnt going to carry them. when jokic was out aaron gordon wasnt gonna carry them. with butler/bam out lowry wasnt going to carry them. with giannis/middleton out jrue wasnt going to carry them

every east team has faced the same or worse circumstances with injury/covid.

Nash has done one of the worst coaching jobs in team history this season. he has regressed from last year, which was the previous worst coaching in team history (by a wide margin). he isnt no qualified to coach at the nba level. id argue at any level. great player, awful awful coach
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Post#115 » by Prokorov » Sun Dec 26, 2021 9:15 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Nash had this team up and prepared to play after a long lay off for multiple players. I'm not sure why he's getting bashed here in a game where we were clearly better on both ends of the floor.

Harden and Mills were out there with sometimes 3 to 4 non shooters and we were dogging the Lakers. Gotta credit the man.


Because he nearly cost us the game with his horrific coaching. his talent bailed him out, like it does most nights.

this was one of if not the worst coached game of the year.

The lakers were out there with 0 shooters for alot of the game. we had the edge in spacing all game and we they had the handicap of 4-20 westbrick who basically threw the game for them
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Post#116 » by DarkXaero » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:12 pm

Only thing awful here is your posting. Hard to read through that garbage when you keep regurgitating the same **** points in your typical hyperbolic fashion, with the inability to move from your stubborn position. One of the things that annoy me the most are entitled sports fans who think they know better. You're the epitome of that.
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Post#117 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:48 pm

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Post#118 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:56 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Nash had this team up and prepared to play after a long lay off for multiple players. I'm not sure why he's getting bashed here in a game where we were clearly better on both ends of the floor.

Harden and Mills were out there with sometimes 3 to 4 non shooters and we were dogging the Lakers. Gotta credit the man.


Because he nearly cost us the game with his horrific coaching. his talent bailed him out, like it does most nights.

this was one of if not the worst coached game of the year.

The lakers were out there with 0 shooters for alot of the game. we had the edge in spacing all game and we they had the handicap of 4-20 westbrick who basically threw the game for them


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Post#119 » by GTR11 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:13 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Harden had a 36 pt triple double with 17 trips to the FT line after a 15 day lay off but some of yall really showed your asses tonight.


Anything shorter than chip is huge failure for me.

There's only ONE GUY to blame if this team doesn't win the chip and it's not James Harden.

ONE GUY and we all know who it is. I shouldn't even have to name the Judas Iscariot, so I won't.


He's dead to me, I don't even think about him anymore. Only time I'll be concerned about Kyrie is during off-season, that's when he'll come to demand money. If Marks/Tsai will batch they'll set us for failure. This Luney Toon cannot be trusted.
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Post#120 » by GTR11 » Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:29 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Harden had a 36 pt triple double with 17 trips to the FT line after a 15 day lay off but some of yall really showed your asses tonight.


Turned the ball over twice, went 0-7 from the field, played matador D entire 4th quarter that's all while having two week rest and getting 40m. How exactly he looked this season? What exactly did I say that is not factual? If anything you should go and re-watch some games from last year before hemi.

As for trip-double, Russ had one too. Point is, was it impactfull or was it inspite of.

I'm not bashing him for no damn reason here. This is a guy that supposedly should be taking us over the hump, he's not doing it and not looking like he'll do period. Anything shorter than chip is huge failure for me. If some have mediocre expectations, cool with me. Just don't come up and say Harden is delivering it and some of us based. He's not playing to the level he suppose to, he's definitely not top 5 ( not that I've asked him to be this season ), sad thing is that he not playing to all star level. I'd take 3-5 players before him right now.

Pretty much half of the season is gone and this team still has no set rotations or clue f*** they are. I'm starting to doubt a lot of things simply because this star driving theory is not working. LBJ was/is the only player who managed to do it one's, we here... we can't even get set rotations.


We have issues, a lot of them, time starting to work against us now.



You are a hater lol.. Without Harden or Mills, we lose this game easy. Harden was clearly spent in the 4th and the 5 fouls made him hesitate a lot on both ends. I thought Harden looked great and was a lot like the Houston Harden. He’s quicker and thinner.

You are also a pessimist. We are No.1 in the East despite all the injuries and Ky not playing..Winning a chip is hard because it is about luck sometimes. You can have all the superstars in the world but injuries would still prevent you from getting one. However, with Ky back, we are clearly the fav even with a 80% Houston Harden. What we need to hope for is that they keep gelling moving forward and that we are injury free the rest of the way instead of worrying about us not having set rotations when most teams are on the same boat due to Covid protocols.


Well haters gonna hate :lol:

As the season moves on and goal posts move, my demands will adjust accordingly. This far it's hard to get exited about where we at. This is not how chip teams be.

He's not. He also doesn't understand gameplan and free styling out there. He says that himself in post game interviews.


We not most teams and shouldn't consider ourselves either. To be elite you have to set bar where others can't reach. We not that at this point with half season gone, there's a lot of blame to go around, moot point to debate it. Pretty much combination of everything. If we won't adjust we will fail for sure.

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