Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft

[floppymoose]

On the plus side most back issues work themselves out on their own with rest. Less scary to me than a knee issue.

[HiRez]

He's listed as available tonight FWIW, but yeah, back issues you just never know. We all remember Chris Taft right?

[hamncheese]

Depends on the back issue. In one fantasy league this year, I drafted Michael Porter Jr. and Brook Lopez.

[Dubs 707]

He's looking like a homerun!

[superunknown]

the kid looks every day better.

[Impuniti]

He was locking up CP3 whose been the 3rd best PG in the league this season for many possessions. Still makes a bunch of rookie mistakes, but some of those will get dusted with a bit more playing time. Kerr could also be playing mind games with the rook to push to keep improving instead of thinking things will be given to him and he won't have to give 100% at all times.

Hoping Kerr takes him out of the dog house, but I'm sure he'll find a way to play Chiozza over him for whatever reason.

[FNQ]

Kuminga is why you play rookies early. For everyone who railed Kerr about playing Wiseman too much and how he "learned" or "failed".. this Boxing Day crow is for you

If you have a big, 'raw' talent, play them early, levelset who they are as players, and then create a plan of attack. With Kuminga, we can probably get away with playing him 10-15mpg in games we need to win, right now. We could also take where he is now, send him to the GLeague and tell him to dominate (when GL restarts, anyways) and that if/when he does that, he'll come back to a scoring 7th man role, basically the old Paschall role. Either way probably works, but thats not something we could say if he was being treated like a raw rookie.

[clyde21]

Kuminga is why you play rookies early. For everyone who railed Kerr about playing Wiseman too much and how he "learned" or "failed".. this Boxing Day crow is for you

If you have a big, 'raw' talent, play them early, levelset who they are as players, and then create a plan of attack. With Kuminga, we can probably get away with playing him 10-15mpg in games we need to win, right now. We could also take where he is now, send him to the GLeague and tell him to dominate (when GL restarts, anyways) and that if/when he does that, he'll come back to a scoring 7th man role, basically the old Paschall role. Either way probably works, but thats not something we could say if he was being treated like a raw rookie.

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Hoping Kerr takes him out of the dog house, but I'm sure he'll find a way to play Chiozza over him for whatever reason.

Wait, who's in the dog house? Not Kuminga who has averaged 19mpg over the last 4. I don't think you know what a dog house is.

[wco81]

Two plays were interesting. He went downhill and tried to dunk two handed on Shamet and one other Sun to the side of the basket.

He was fouled but he absolutely could have finished it, I think the ball came off the back rim but should be able to do And-1s.

Another play, he cut from the left side got the ball in the paint against a smaller defender and he spun and was going to shoot over him but McGee dropped back and blocked it from behind.

They are looking to create some good shots in the paint and restricted area for him. But his open catch and shoot 3s have looked a lot better lately. Someone worked with him to make his form more compact and consistent, at least when he catches and shoots and has some time to gather into the shot.

[FNQ]

Kuminga is why you play rookies early. For everyone who railed Kerr about playing Wiseman too much and how he "learned" or "failed".. this Boxing Day crow is for you

If you have a big, 'raw' talent, play them early, levelset who they are as players, and then create a plan of attack. With Kuminga, we can probably get away with playing him 10-15mpg in games we need to win, right now. We could also take where he is now, send him to the GLeague and tell him to dominate (when GL restarts, anyways) and that if/when he does that, he'll come back to a scoring 7th man role, basically the old Paschall role. Either way probably works, but thats not something we could say if he was being treated like a raw rookie.

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

[NeoWarriors]

Look for Kuminga's minutes to become even more important with Draymond now out in the health & safety protocol.

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[whatisacenter]

Kuminga is why you play rookies early. For everyone who railed Kerr about playing Wiseman too much and how he "learned" or "failed".. this Boxing Day crow is for you

If you have a big, 'raw' talent, play them early, levelset who they are as players, and then create a plan of attack. With Kuminga, we can probably get away with playing him 10-15mpg in games we need to win, right now. We could also take where he is now, send him to the GLeague and tell him to dominate (when GL restarts, anyways) and that if/when he does that, he'll come back to a scoring 7th man role, basically the old Paschall role. Either way probably works, but thats not something we could say if he was being treated like a raw rookie.

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

add to this at the beginning of the season Wiggins was still figuring out his roll playing with Steph in the Warriors offense. That meant only Draymond and Curry knew what was supposed to happen and where they should be on offense with Wiseman, Oubre and Wiggins leading to Draymond to do this.

Read on Twitter

I can't wait to see how Wiseman looks with the revamped coaching staff and better players around him who know the offense.

[FNQ]

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

add to this at the beginning of the season Wiggins was still figuring out his roll playing with Steph in the Warriors offense. That meant only Draymond and Curry knew what was supposed to happen and where they should be on offense with Wiseman, Oubre and Wiggins leading to Draymond to do this.

Read on Twitter

I can't wait to see how Wiseman looks with the revamped coaching staff and better players around him who know the offense.

I mean he was bad and our offense was disjointed, but having our 5 (whos very involved with cycling) be a green rookie who missed an entire offseason was never going to go well, and it was either Wiseman or go small for the entirety of some games. The fact that we went into the post more than usual, and then immediately backtracked from that when we had depth, more points to necessity than a plan

But we wont know for 100% sure until Wiseman returns. If he returns and he still gets even close to the same amount of touches (%-wise) as he did before on the low block, then yes Kerr is specifically accommodating him. Considering we dont do that for Kuminga or Moody, didnt for Poole, and havent for any rookie or even newcomer (KD) makes me believe, easily, that Kerr's not going to shoehorn Wiseman's post-up game into our offense with a near decade of success

[clyde21]

Kuminga is why you play rookies early. For everyone who railed Kerr about playing Wiseman too much and how he "learned" or "failed".. this Boxing Day crow is for you

If you have a big, 'raw' talent, play them early, levelset who they are as players, and then create a plan of attack. With Kuminga, we can probably get away with playing him 10-15mpg in games we need to win, right now. We could also take where he is now, send him to the GLeague and tell him to dominate (when GL restarts, anyways) and that if/when he does that, he'll come back to a scoring 7th man role, basically the old Paschall role. Either way probably works, but thats not something we could say if he was being treated like a raw rookie.

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

point still stands, our offense instantly changed when Wiseman was on the court, he's naturally a high usage big that can't really pass or set screens...and we saw how terrible that was when he played...On/Off numbers last season with and without Wiseman for everyone speak for themselves

none of this true for Minga and Moody and why they should play immediately and continue to play, you're not really changing the constitution of your scheme or offensive principles when they are on the court the same way you kinda had to to get Wiseman involved at any real level for a 2nd overall pick...so I again, I just think the comp is off.

i know its a dead horse, but Wiseman just should've never been the pick. it was always obvious he was a bad fit here schematically.

[FNQ]

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

point still stands, our offense instantly changed when Wiseman was on the court, he's naturally a high usage big that can't really pass or set screens...and we saw how terrible that was when he played...On/Off numbers last season with and without Wiseman for everyone speak for themselves

none of this true for Minga and Moody and why they should play immediately and continue to play, you're not really changing the constitution of your scheme or offensive principles when they are on the court the same way you kinda had to to get Wiseman involved at any real level for a 2nd overall pick...so I again, I just think the comp is off.

i know its a dead horse, but Wiseman just should've never been the pick. it was always obvious he was a bad fit here schematically.

The comp is relative to Kerr and his strategy, not that Wiseman is as good a fit as Kuminga and Moody - I cede that point immediately and have for a while. Kerr's shown no history of catering to new people, and that was thrown into question with Wiseman's usage. Nothing's changed though, blaming him for the limited abilities of Wiseman as a green rookie is no different than blaming him for 19-20, going from a Finals team to drafting #2 overall. The situation dictated that, not choices by Kerr

The 5 in our system is important, it cycles fairly frequently. Whoever is there has to know whats happening, Wiseman clearly didn't. So its either throw him into that gauntlet over and over, knowing that he's not a natural fit for that coming out of 'college' - and god the metrics on him getting the ball around the top of key or 3/4 mark were AWFUL - or go to the one thing that Wiseman has had practice in growing up, which was back to basket stuff. And he wasn't ready for that either

But overarching point is about Kerr and whether or not this was the plan from the start, or what we had to do on the fly. Based on Kerr's history, and how apprehensive he's been to really give Kuminga a rotation spot - or Moody any legit chance at all - seems like clearly this was a last-second audible, and while the results were bad, there's nothing that shows JW would have done any better sticking solely to the Looney role, where he frequently killed ball movement, turned it over, or took contested jumpers

[clyde21]

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

point still stands, our offense instantly changed when Wiseman was on the court, he's naturally a high usage big that can't really pass or set screens...and we saw how terrible that was when he played...On/Off numbers last season with and without Wiseman for everyone speak for themselves

none of this true for Minga and Moody and why they should play immediately and continue to play, you're not really changing the constitution of your scheme or offensive principles when they are on the court the same way you kinda had to to get Wiseman involved at any real level for a 2nd overall pick...so I again, I just think the comp is off.

i know its a dead horse, but Wiseman just should've never been the pick. it was always obvious he was a bad fit here schematically.

The comp is relative to Kerr and his strategy, not that Wiseman is as good a fit as Kuminga and Moody - I cede that point immediately and have for a while. Kerr's shown no history of catering to new people, and that was thrown into question with Wiseman's usage. Nothing's changed though, blaming him for the limited abilities of Wiseman as a green rookie is no different than blaming him for 19-20, going from a Finals team to drafting #2 overall. The situation dictated that, not choices by Kerr

The 5 in our system is important, it cycles fairly frequently. Whoever is there has to know whats happening, Wiseman clearly didn't. So its either throw him into that gauntlet over and over, knowing that he's not a natural fit for that coming out of 'college' - and god the metrics on him getting the ball around the top of key or 3/4 mark were AWFUL - or go to the one thing that Wiseman has had practice in growing up, which was back to basket stuff. And he wasn't ready for that either

But overarching point is about Kerr and whether or not this was the plan from the start, or what we had to do on the fly. Based on Kerr's history, and how apprehensive he's been to really give Kuminga a rotation spot - or Moody any legit chance at all - seems like clearly this was a last-second audible, and while the results were bad, there's nothing that shows JW would have done any better sticking solely to the Looney role, where he frequently killed ball movement, turned it over, or took contested jumpers

i think it's the opposite, Kerr probably projecting the results of Wiseman on Minga and to a higher extent Moody...the Wiseman experiment was pretty much a disaster last yr and I think that's what's kept him from really taking the leash off Minga/Moody.

problem here is Kerr doesn't seem to understand why Wiseman failed for completely different reasons last yr...if Minga/Moody fail it won't be because they are bad fits here.

[wco81]

Yeah Kerr doesn't understand, not like experts on Real GM.

[clyde21]

Yeah Kerr doesn't understand, not like experts on Real GM.

the usual appeal to authority nonsense, why even bother posting if all we're ever allowed to do say is 'Kerr is perfect'

[michaelm]

i don't see the comp between Wise and minga

problem with Wiseman wasn't that we were playing him early, it was the fact that we were actively changing our offense to accommodate him on the court

this is not happening with Kuminga...Minga is coming in and essentially just playing the JTA role, just running and cutting and defense, we're not drawing up slow processing post plays for Minga like we consistently did for Wiseman last yr just to try and get him involved.

Wiseman got 1.8 touches per game on the low block that were not from an OREB.. Looney gets 0.7 and Nemo gets 0.6 (Looney was at 1.0 last year and 0.9 the year prior)

So it’s 300% increase compared to those guys, or 1 extra touch per game. The problem was, and is, that Wiseman was so unprepared for the role, that each instance sticks out, whereas our current Cs don’t typically end the possession from those spots

Wiseman also had the added.. benefit.. of playing with some very bad fits. 63% of his time was with Oubre. Of the remaining 37%, 28% was without Curry, and one of Wanamaker or Poole running the offense.

I’m just saying the numbers don’t bear out this dramatic shift, we just remember it clearer because it went that badly

point still stands, our offense instantly changed when Wiseman was on the court, he's naturally a high usage big that can't really pass or set screens...and we saw how terrible that was when he played...On/Off numbers last season with and without Wiseman for everyone speak for themselves

none of this true for Minga and Moody and why they should play immediately and continue to play, you're not really changing the constitution of your scheme or offensive principles when they are on the court the same way you kinda had to to get Wiseman involved at any real level for a 2nd overall pick...so I again, I just think the comp is off.

i know its a dead horse, but Wiseman just should've never been the pick. it was always obvious he was a bad fit here schematically.

They didn’t ‘t draft him to be a second Patrick Ewing, they wanted a second Kevin Durant. Quite unlikely he will be anywhere close, but I also don’t consider that how a guy plays as a 19 year old with a quite limited basketball education in unusual circumstances sets the limit on how he can play for the rest of his career. As has been said two other members of the starting five were unfamiliar with the GSW/Curry system, and if you want a poster child for a player unsuited to that system Oubre is he. I also think the organisation believed the only way they could contend was for Wiseman to develop quickly. He was being utilised in a more nuanced fashion and doing better just before he went down as has also been said. If he was played in a fashion contrary to what Kerr would have chosen on his own because he was a Lacob pick and Lacob is high on him then that was unsatisfactory and will be continue to be unsatisfactory in the future. Hard to see how in current circumstances Kerr could treat him differently than Kuminga and Moody though, particularly when Kunminga at 7 is looking very much like a great pick. I also think Lamelo would have been redundant, certainly as a starter, for a team that has Curry and Green, and that the Ball family shenanigans would have been horrible had he been drafted by GSW to be a bench player.

We shall see. If Wiseman continues to have bad hands, to not look strong enough to mix it with other 7 foot centers (we do need some center stuff from him and got same from the actual Kevin Durant), and looks to have no feel for the game going forward then that will make him a bad pick, but I don’t know why any GSW fan would want him to fail to prove a viewpoint that the FO shouldn’t have drafted him as seems to be the case with you.