76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

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[dhsilv2]

Where is this weird spite and pride stuff coming from? If he'd even considered a single trade we've heard, the owners would have fired him and rejected it. From day one everyone agreed this could be a 2 year process to move Simmons and there wasn't anyway the 76ers could avoid that.

You can't start claiming pride and ego until there's an actual player available for Simmons. This summer there was nothing. Which the meant there could be no trade PERIOD until December 15th, we're 10 days past that now. He's maybe had 20 days to move simmons in all of this. Maybe... And NOBODY is currently available.

Imagine you're trying to in a normal job hire someone at simmon's relative level. That hiring could take upwards of 2 years as well. And you might hire the wrong person and have to fire them and start over. This happens for companies ALL the freaking time! This is even a smaller talent pool and you can't just over pay.

And no....Simmons value doesn't go freaking down because he isn't playing. That has never happened to any other player in NBA history.

The spite and pride stuff is coming from exactly the same place as your "the owners would have fired him if he took any of these deals". They are simply our opinions on it.

I see a GM who is not willing to make a trade unless he rips another team off. I see a GM who is desperate to uphold his reputation as someone who always win trades and is therefore reluctant to make a fair trade who would actually help his team. I saw that same thing with Danny Ainge. GMs like that do not negotiate in good faith with other GMs which is why other GMs eventually shut those GMs out and do not trade with them. This was Ainge's undoing and it will be Morey's undoing as well if he keeps this up.

That's my opinion on matter, at least. You are free to disagree and hold your own opinion.

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

[dhsilv2]

If you add up all the Simmons threads made in this forum since this soap opera's start, you'll have the first billion page thread in internet's history.

There was a god is not real thread on an aol video game forum I was on back in the 90's that broke into the tens of millions of mosts over 5-6 years lol.

[Nuntius]

Where is this weird spite and pride stuff coming from? If he'd even considered a single trade we've heard, the owners would have fired him and rejected it. From day one everyone agreed this could be a 2 year process to move Simmons and there wasn't anyway the 76ers could avoid that.

You can't start claiming pride and ego until there's an actual player available for Simmons. This summer there was nothing. Which the meant there could be no trade PERIOD until December 15th, we're 10 days past that now. He's maybe had 20 days to move simmons in all of this. Maybe... And NOBODY is currently available.

Imagine you're trying to in a normal job hire someone at simmon's relative level. That hiring could take upwards of 2 years as well. And you might hire the wrong person and have to fire them and start over. This happens for companies ALL the freaking time! This is even a smaller talent pool and you can't just over pay.

And no....Simmons value doesn't go freaking down because he isn't playing. That has never happened to any other player in NBA history.

The spite and pride stuff is coming from exactly the same place as your "the owners would have fired him if he took any of these deals". They are simply our opinions on it.

I see a GM who is not willing to make a trade unless he rips another team off. I see a GM who is desperate to uphold his reputation as someone who always win trades and is therefore reluctant to make a fair trade who would actually help his team. I saw that same thing with Danny Ainge. GMs like that do not negotiate in good faith with other GMs which is why other GMs eventually shut those GMs out and do not trade with them. This was Ainge's undoing and it will be Morey's undoing as well if he keeps this up.

That's my opinion on matter, at least. You are free to disagree and hold your own opinion.

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

The underlined is exactly the problem here. The 76ers want a top 25 player for a player who isn't worth as much. Simmons is worth a top 50 player, at best. He is severely flawed, especially on the offensive end, and his particular flaws are anathema in this NBA era.

Morey is overvaluing his assets and that's where pride and ego kick in. He isn't going to accept that his evaluation is wrong so nothing will get done.

[Pointgod]

Where is this weird spite and pride stuff coming from? If he'd even considered a single trade we've heard, the owners would have fired him and rejected it. From day one everyone agreed this could be a 2 year process to move Simmons and there wasn't anyway the 76ers could avoid that.

You can't start claiming pride and ego until there's an actual player available for Simmons. This summer there was nothing. Which the meant there could be no trade PERIOD until December 15th, we're 10 days past that now. He's maybe had 20 days to move simmons in all of this. Maybe... And NOBODY is currently available.

Imagine you're trying to in a normal job hire someone at simmon's relative level. That hiring could take upwards of 2 years as well. And you might hire the wrong person and have to fire them and start over. This happens for companies ALL the freaking time! This is even a smaller talent pool and you can't just over pay.

And no....Simmons value doesn't go freaking down because he isn't playing. That has never happened to any other player in NBA history.

The spite and pride stuff is coming from exactly the same place as your "the owners would have fired him if he took any of these deals". They are simply our opinions on it.

I see a GM who is not willing to make a trade unless he rips another team off. I see a GM who is desperate to uphold his reputation as someone who always win trades and is therefore reluctant to make a fair trade who would actually help his team. I saw that same thing with Danny Ainge. GMs like that do not negotiate in good faith with other GMs which is why other GMs eventually shut those GMs out and do not trade with them. This was Ainge's undoing and it will be Morey's undoing as well if he keeps this up.

That's my opinion on matter, at least. You are free to disagree and hold your own opinion.

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

So Morey wants a top 25 player for a guy himself who isn’t a top 25 player. So is Morey going to throw in 5 draft picks because Simmons for a top 25 player is not a legit offer. This just backs up Nuntius is saying that Morey won’t do a trade unless he’s ripping someone off and he’s in a position where he has zero leverage.

[dhsilv2]

The spite and pride stuff is coming from exactly the same place as your "the owners would have fired him if he took any of these deals". They are simply our opinions on it.

I see a GM who is not willing to make a trade unless he rips another team off. I see a GM who is desperate to uphold his reputation as someone who always win trades and is therefore reluctant to make a fair trade who would actually help his team. I saw that same thing with Danny Ainge. GMs like that do not negotiate in good faith with other GMs which is why other GMs eventually shut those GMs out and do not trade with them. This was Ainge's undoing and it will be Morey's undoing as well if he keeps this up.

That's my opinion on matter, at least. You are free to disagree and hold your own opinion.

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

The underlined is exactly the problem here. The 76ers want a top 25 player for a player who isn't worth as much. Simmons is worth a top 50 player, at best. He is severely flawed, especially on the offensive end, and his particular flaws are anathema in this NBA era.

Morey is overvaluing his assets and that's where pride and ego kick in. He isn't going to accept that his evaluation is wrong so nothing will get done.

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

[Loaded_Hollows]

Is he still being fined?

[Wolveswin]

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

The underlined is exactly the problem here. The 76ers want a top 25 player for a player who isn't worth as much. Simmons is worth a top 50 player, at best. He is severely flawed, especially on the offensive end, and his particular flaws are anathema in this NBA era.

Morey is overvaluing his assets and that's where pride and ego kick in. He isn't going to accept that his evaluation is wrong so nothing will get done.

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

He WAS a top 25 player value before this drama which did an amazing job of changing his value to not top 25.

Morey not only needs a star to ask out, but for that divorce to be ugly. Ugly enough to drive down value of that player to be named.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

This is the crux of this problem because he just isn't. He is a flawed and mercurial player going all the way back to his days at LSU. There is a long pattern of suboptimal behavior from him. He does what he wants and says F-you to anyone who criticizes that. It's extremely hard to work around, even before you get to his quirk of not taking 3 pointers. If Damian Lillard demands a trade Ben Simmons is the last kind of player I would want, assuming he would even play he would keep us on a treadmill for a few years before he can sign a deal in LA and leave us for nothing. So I really don't think when a star demands out that Ben Simmons will be some super valuable asset and that other teams can and will make better offers.

[dhsilv2]

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

This is the crux of this problem because he just isn't. He is a flawed and mercurial player going all the way back to his days at LSU. There is a long pattern of suboptimal behavior from him. He does what he wants and says F-you to anyone who criticizes that. It's extremely hard to work around, even before you get to his quirk of not taking 3 pointers. If Damian Lillard demands a trade Ben Simmons is the last kind of player I would want, assuming he would even play he would keep us on a treadmill for a few years before he can sign a deal in LA and leave us for nothing. So I really don't think when a star demands out that Ben Simmons will be some super valuable asset and that other teams can and will make better offers.

He is no worse than top 35. And his flaws are part of why he is only roughly a top 25 guy. If Dame asks out the market is going to be something like 4 first round picks and some blah salary match. No way the blazers are looking to tank imo. If they're ok tanking and 4 likely not great firsts is worth it, ok...but that's a pretty bad haul.

A deal like Simmons and Maxey plus a first is just a way better offer than the market has ever really seen for someone like Dame demanding out with only 1-2 years left.

[Nuntius]

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

The underlined is exactly the problem here. The 76ers want a top 25 player for a player who isn't worth as much. Simmons is worth a top 50 player, at best. He is severely flawed, especially on the offensive end, and his particular flaws are anathema in this NBA era.

Morey is overvaluing his assets and that's where pride and ego kick in. He isn't going to accept that his evaluation is wrong so nothing will get done.

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

You have the right to your opinion, my friend, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Simmons' offensive flaws do not allow him to be a top 25 player in this NBA era. You cannot be a top 25 player right now when you're forcing your team to play 4 vs 5 on offense in the halfcourt. You just cannot. Ben could have the potential to be a top 25 player if he works on his halfcourt offense but he hasn't done that so far and he's already 25. So, teams have doubts whether he's ever going to realize that potential.

Right now, Simmons is somewhere on the top 50. I'd say that he's definitely closer to 50 than he is to 25. His defense is still really **** good and his playmaking is valuable but there's only so high that one can get while forcing their team to play 4 vs 5 in the halfcourt.

[VDT]

The spite and pride stuff is coming from exactly the same place as your "the owners would have fired him if he took any of these deals". They are simply our opinions on it.

I see a GM who is not willing to make a trade unless he rips another team off. I see a GM who is desperate to uphold his reputation as someone who always win trades and is therefore reluctant to make a fair trade who would actually help his team. I saw that same thing with Danny Ainge. GMs like that do not negotiate in good faith with other GMs which is why other GMs eventually shut those GMs out and do not trade with them. This was Ainge's undoing and it will be Morey's undoing as well if he keeps this up.

That's my opinion on matter, at least. You are free to disagree and hold your own opinion.

Rip off? There still hasn't been an offer of a player they want that we're aware of.

I feel like I'm living in crazy world where everyone's watching a different thing. The 76ers want a top 25 player. There isn't one available. And thus we wait...

Morey has said what he wants, obviously if someone came in and said "how about CJ" the answer would be "no" and if you said "what else can we add in?" Then sure he might throw out 5 picks or something crazy...because CJ isn't a legit offer.

The underlined is exactly the problem here. The 76ers want a top 25 player for a player who isn't worth as much. Simmons is worth a top 50 player, at best. He is severely flawed, especially on the offensive end, and his particular flaws are anathema in this NBA era.

Morey is overvaluing his assets and that's where pride and ego kick in. He isn't going to accept that his evaluation is wrong so nothing will get done.

Dude, every post of yours that i see is missing the point. I dont even know why you care so much about Simmons and Morey, when you are not a Sixers fan or a fan of a team that might want Simmons.

it is true that the Sixers need an upgrade and they should be ready to send some picks along with Simmons to get that. That's whay they tried to do with Harden. Will it work? No one knows. Morey is obviously waiting for a team that is forced to make a trade so that he can get what he wants. Maybe it will work out maybe not. But that's his job as a GM. It is the only realistic path for the Sixers to become contenders and it is what every competent GM would do. I have literally no idea why you are talking about ego and pride here. The Sixers need a good deal (i.e. get an upgrade or get enough assets to likely get an upgrade)and Morey is trying to do that, there is nothing else to see here.

[Nuntius]

Dude, every post of yours that i see is missing the point. I dont even know why you care so much about Simmons and Morey, when you are not a Sixers fan or a fan of a team that might want Simmons.

I originally commented on this thread when people were attacking Simmons' mental health issues and I've had several discussions about a number of Simmons-related topics. People keep quoting so I keep answering. That's all there is to it.

it is true that the Sixers need an upgrade and they should be ready to send some picks along with Simmons to get that. That's whay they tried to do with Harden. Will it work? No one knows. Morey is obviously waiting for a team that is forced to make a trade so that he can get what he wants. Maybe it will work out maybe not. But that's his job as a GM. It is the only realistic path for the Sixers to become contenders and it is what every competent GM would do. I have literally no idea why you are talking about ego and pride here. The Sixers need a good deal (i.e. get an upgrade or get enough assets to likely get an upgrade)and Morey is trying to do that, there is nothing else to see here.

I get that point and my argument is that the Sixers do not have the luxury to wait until a star wants out. Embiid's injury history means that his title window is rather short and that the time for the Sixers to strike is right now.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

This is the crux of this problem because he just isn't. He is a flawed and mercurial player going all the way back to his days at LSU. There is a long pattern of suboptimal behavior from him. He does what he wants and says F-you to anyone who criticizes that. It's extremely hard to work around, even before you get to his quirk of not taking 3 pointers. If Damian Lillard demands a trade Ben Simmons is the last kind of player I would want, assuming he would even play he would keep us on a treadmill for a few years before he can sign a deal in LA and leave us for nothing. So I really don't think when a star demands out that Ben Simmons will be some super valuable asset and that other teams can and will make better offers.

He is no worse than top 35. And his flaws are part of why he is only roughly a top 25 guy. If Dame asks out the market is going to be something like 4 first round picks and some blah salary match. No way the blazers are looking to tank imo. If they're ok tanking and 4 likely not great firsts is worth it, ok...but that's a pretty bad haul.

A deal like Simmons and Maxey plus a first is just a way better offer than the market has ever really seen for someone like Dame demanding out with only 1-2 years left.

Maybe the Sixers can land Dame as a 3 team deal, but in my view Simmons is a depreciating asset that only gets worse the fewer years left on his deal. He has zero loyalty and unless I was the Lakers I have zero faith he will ever resign here. So if I trade Dame for Simmons I lose all of that value, Morey and the Sixers have just passed that headache to deal with down to me. You can disagree if you want, but in my opinion Simmons is not an asset that is going to benefit my team in the long-term.

[dhsilv2]

This is the crux of this problem because he just isn't. He is a flawed and mercurial player going all the way back to his days at LSU. There is a long pattern of suboptimal behavior from him. He does what he wants and says F-you to anyone who criticizes that. It's extremely hard to work around, even before you get to his quirk of not taking 3 pointers. If Damian Lillard demands a trade Ben Simmons is the last kind of player I would want, assuming he would even play he would keep us on a treadmill for a few years before he can sign a deal in LA and leave us for nothing. So I really don't think when a star demands out that Ben Simmons will be some super valuable asset and that other teams can and will make better offers.

He is no worse than top 35. And his flaws are part of why he is only roughly a top 25 guy. If Dame asks out the market is going to be something like 4 first round picks and some blah salary match. No way the blazers are looking to tank imo. If they're ok tanking and 4 likely not great firsts is worth it, ok...but that's a pretty bad haul.

A deal like Simmons and Maxey plus a first is just a way better offer than the market has ever really seen for someone like Dame demanding out with only 1-2 years left.

Maybe the Sixers can land Dame as a 3 team deal, but in my view Simmons is a depreciating asset that only gets worse the fewer years left on his deal. He has zero loyalty and unless I was the Lakers I have zero faith he will ever resign here. So if I trade Dame for Simmons I lose all of that value, Morey and the Sixers have just passed that headache to deal with down to me. You can disagree if you want, but in my opinion Simmons is not an asset that is going to benefit my team in the long-term.

The thing is, I don't believe that's the view of GM's. That doesn't match how trades and play valuations have historically happened. And look fine maybe there's a 3rd team there and you get 4 first round picks 18-30...but that's historically what these deals have looked like. Hell look at Leonard, not only did the spurs trade him, they had to give away Danny Green....that was a horrible throw in!

If that's all you want for Dame then so be it. And man, I'd be pretty worried of my GM and coaching staff was scared to take on an already allstar guy for 3 years which will be his peak athletic 3 years and where nearly every player ever has peaked who wasn't some kind of all time great ultra skilled shooter. And I don't think people get into those types of roles/jobs without the ego to think they can fix players, especially ones already so freaking good as Simmons.

[dhsilv2]

The underlined is exactly the problem here. The 76ers want a top 25 player for a player who isn't worth as much. Simmons is worth a top 50 player, at best. He is severely flawed, especially on the offensive end, and his particular flaws are anathema in this NBA era.

Morey is overvaluing his assets and that's where pride and ego kick in. He isn't going to accept that his evaluation is wrong so nothing will get done.

He's a top 25 player, at 25, with a long term deal. He is the most valuable player ever to be on the market like this. You're crazy if you think he's not worth what Morey is asking. Once a star demands out, this will all get resolved.

You have the right to your opinion, my friend, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Simmons' offensive flaws do not allow him to be a top 25 player in this NBA era. You cannot be a top 25 player right now when you're forcing your team to play 4 vs 5 on offense in the halfcourt. You just cannot. Ben could have the potential to be a top 25 player if he works on his halfcourt offense but he hasn't done that so far and he's already 25. So, teams have doubts whether he's ever going to realize that potential.

Right now, Simmons is somewhere on the top 50. I'd say that he's definitely closer to 50 than he is to 25. His defense is still really **** good and his playmaking is valuable but there's only so high that one can get while forcing their team to play 4 vs 5 in the halfcourt.

I'd agree with you if I agreed Simmons turned his team into playing 4 on 5 in the half court. That almost never actually happens. And a lot of it is poor fit with Embiid and bad coaching around him. Not to mention some down right idiotic and incompetent moves by Brand.

That said our opinions don't matter here. What matters are coaches and GM's who seem to feel differently from you and much more like I am.

[Myth]

Just throwing this out there: ESPN ranked Simmons as the 28th best player going into this season. You add his contract and this absurd circus show, and his value drops further behind other top 25 players. And if this does take 2 years, his value drops further because the longer a player sits out, the more question marks there are that make a player risky.

[VDT]

I get that point and my argument is that the Sixers do not have the luxury to wait until a star wants out. Embiid's injury history means that his title window is rather short and that the time for the Sixers to strike is right now.

The Sixers failed (miserably) to win last year with Simmons, how are they expected to win by trading Simmons for lesser pieces?
Morey has to wait for a star to become available, precisely because of Embiid's age / health concerns. The Sixers simply cant afford to make a bad trade, if they are forced to do it they will likely have to rebuild themselves very soon.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

He is no worse than top 35. And his flaws are part of why he is only roughly a top 25 guy. If Dame asks out the market is going to be something like 4 first round picks and some blah salary match. No way the blazers are looking to tank imo. If they're ok tanking and 4 likely not great firsts is worth it, ok...but that's a pretty bad haul.

A deal like Simmons and Maxey plus a first is just a way better offer than the market has ever really seen for someone like Dame demanding out with only 1-2 years left.

Maybe the Sixers can land Dame as a 3 team deal, but in my view Simmons is a depreciating asset that only gets worse the fewer years left on his deal. He has zero loyalty and unless I was the Lakers I have zero faith he will ever resign here. So if I trade Dame for Simmons I lose all of that value, Morey and the Sixers have just passed that headache to deal with down to me. You can disagree if you want, but in my opinion Simmons is not an asset that is going to benefit my team in the long-term.

The thing is, I don't believe that's the view of GM's. That doesn't match how trades and play valuations have historically happened. And look fine maybe there's a 3rd team there and you get 4 first round picks 18-30...but that's historically what these deals have looked like. Hell look at Leonard, not only did the spurs trade him, they had to give away Danny Green....that was a horrible throw in!

If that's all you want for Dame then so be it. And man, I'd be pretty worried of my GM and coaching staff was scared to take on an already allstar guy for 3 years which will be his peak athletic 3 years and where nearly every player ever has peaked who wasn't some kind of all time great ultra skilled shooter. And I don't think people get into those types of roles/jobs without the ego to think they can fix players, especially ones already so freaking good as Simmons.

3 years is too short time of a window to bank anything on. I would rather get those picks and young players and give myself time to do a proper rebuild rather than this quick retool on the fly that is 100% predicated on Ben Simmons mercurial personality.

I think the team that will give the best value for Simmons is a team in a win-now mode that thinks he can be their Draymond Green not a team looking for a long-haul rebuild with him as the focal point, that is just prolonging the inevitable with a 2 year treadmill and ultimately losing value when you have to move him as an expiring before he leaves for nothing. Daryl Morey and the Sixers would love to unload their headache on someone else because we all know Ben Simmons is a major pain in the A, even going all the way back to his days at LSU.

[dhsilv2]

Maybe the Sixers can land Dame as a 3 team deal, but in my view Simmons is a depreciating asset that only gets worse the fewer years left on his deal. He has zero loyalty and unless I was the Lakers I have zero faith he will ever resign here. So if I trade Dame for Simmons I lose all of that value, Morey and the Sixers have just passed that headache to deal with down to me. You can disagree if you want, but in my opinion Simmons is not an asset that is going to benefit my team in the long-term.

The thing is, I don't believe that's the view of GM's. That doesn't match how trades and play valuations have historically happened. And look fine maybe there's a 3rd team there and you get 4 first round picks 18-30...but that's historically what these deals have looked like. Hell look at Leonard, not only did the spurs trade him, they had to give away Danny Green....that was a horrible throw in!

If that's all you want for Dame then so be it. And man, I'd be pretty worried of my GM and coaching staff was scared to take on an already allstar guy for 3 years which will be his peak athletic 3 years and where nearly every player ever has peaked who wasn't some kind of all time great ultra skilled shooter. And I don't think people get into those types of roles/jobs without the ego to think they can fix players, especially ones already so freaking good as Simmons.

3 years is too short time of a window to bank anything on. I would rather get those picks and young players and give myself time to do a proper rebuild rather than this quick retool on the fly that is 100% predicated on Ben Simmons mercurial personality.

I think the team that will give the best value for Simmons is a team in a win-now mode that thinks he can be their Draymond Green not a team looking for a long-haul rebuild with him as the focal point, that is just prolonging the inevitable with a 2 year treadmill and ultimately losing value when you have to move him as an expiring before he leaves for nothing. Daryl Morey and the Sixers would love to unload their headache on someone else because we all know Ben Simmons is a major pain in the A, even going all the way back to his days at LSU.

I want to say this in the most respectful way possible.

Nobody really give a fly crap about our opinions.

Now with that said, the nba is about money. And Ben is one of the most fun players there is imo for a team that's not a contender. He's a fast break at all times, and his upside is insane. I think you're thinking too big picture "elitist" fan vs what a GM has to think about which is who sell tickets