ImSlower wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:ImSlower wrote:You guys keep vaunting Harden's scoring acumen, which is absolutely there. He's amazing at getting his team points. Of course he's far more valuable than Vuc and Ball.
He's be absolutely ruinous to Bulls roster he'd be coming to. You guys are looking at this amazing player and think he automatically upgrades a roster without looking at the team that'd be around him post trade.
This trade would make the Bulls flimsy frontcourt absolutely, comically pitiful. It would negate the synergy the Bulls have going with LaVine and DeRozan. DDR goes from top5 scorer and 4th quarter hero to an afterthought as Harden does his usual tunnel vision dribble iso garbage. Zach becomes a spot-up 3pt shooter. Both those guys are immediately unhappy that their roles, which have led to the most successful Bulls start in a decade, would be upended by the enormous gravity Harden requires. The entire momentum this team has built up would disappear in one day. Then Harden opts for 54 million and there's zero room to actually create a roster around him. Or he more likely bolts to a far better situation on a big new contract.
I understand that Harden is a great player and gets the Nets wins. This specific trade, to this specific team, would be an unmitigated disaster. It's completely illogical. Neither team would have an iota of interest.
You guys keep talking as if the Bulls are even in the Championship conversation.
Yes they have a nice little team. And a good record. They are currently a second round exit.
Cannot beat the Bucks, Nets and probably the Heat.
Who cares if it messes up the chemistry. Just last year Harden was playing like a top 5 player in the NBA. A stretch of bad games is not going to change that.
I would not trade Harden for Ball and Vucevic. Nor would I trade Harden for Derozan and Lavine. He is a huge step from those guys. And always will be.
Lavine has never even come close to playing at an MVP level. And is in his prime.
The last time Derozan was in the playoff conversation he was so horrific his own coach benched him. And then sent him on the next plane to San Antonio.
Yes Harden has had some struggles in the clutch. But hes also consistently put up 30+ and nearly beat the 2017 Ws, which many consider the greatest team of all time.
The fact that this thread exists to me is funny. But the fact that Bulls fans agree has me floored. You people have lost your mind.
Hey man, I aint too worried. I've disagreed with almost the entirety of your Nets opinions over the years, so this is no change. Keep doin you, respect for being an ongoing fan even through tough times out there. I went to Barclay's a couple times when I lived in Queens. I'm not dragging your team, despite my incredible contempt for their current stars. I'm just saying that your fave guy would not be a fit. I've been bagging on Bulls decisions for a decade. This is the first time the team has really moved in a positive direction since Rose's second knee blew. Ruining it for a declining Harden who would just leave immediately anyway is just such an absurd proposition. Harden's a superstar, I respect that. Surely you can take off your shades long enough to see that even the best players might screw up a different situation?
Preseason, plenty of smart people put us at 11th, so it's pretty great that the team everyone picked at #1 (you guys) are talking about trading their superstars to fix things. Anyway, see you in the playoffs.
To be fair, Harden is not my fave guy. I actually never liked him. And I do root for him on the Nets. But I am a WAY bigger fan of Kyrie and KD.
I do respect his talent though.
I just don't see how adding Harden by giving up guys like Ball and Vucevic would ruin the team.
That would be like me saying I didn't want Kyrie and KD because I loved watching the Russell/Dinwidde/Levert Nets. Which I in fact did.
The not having a long term contract I get. But from a talent standpoint I don't see how it wouldn't work.
I am happy for you guys though. I've always respected the Bulls and the NBA is better when they are good.
