ATL - Trade Deadline 2/10/22

[Milbucks96]

All I've got is that Bulls fans are absolutely delusional with how good they are and what their ceiling is.

I haven’t seen anything crazy from bulls fans honestly even though I haven’t looked too hard, I scroll their forum every once in a while.

They’re a legit good team though, top 10 in offense and defense through a 3rd of the season while having injuries and Covid problems. They’re right there with the bucks as far as net rating goes. They’re not in the true contender tier with Warriors, Suns, Nets, Bucks but they’re in the next one in my eyes and could have a suns or hawks type run if the playoffs continues to be as weird as it has been the past couple years.

I still see the east as the Bucks and Nets and then maybe the Heat as that 3rd team that could put a scare into the Bucks or Nets and maybe push a series to 6 games. Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are having nice seasons, props to them in their fans but the Bucks or Nets would make pretty quick work of them in a 7 game series IMO.

I would expect the Bucks now that they're healthy to pull away a bit n that Bulls/Cavs/Heat pack.

I agree with you 100%, but as we know, fully healthy isn’t really a thing in the playoffs. I don’t think they can beat those top 4 that I’ve mentioned full strength, but they’re a good enough team that can take advantage of a nice matchup or an injury to a key player on one of the other contenders in the east.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them make the ecf or giving somebody a super hard second round, I would be surprised to see them in the finals though. They’re just a pretty good team that should be thinking of a deep playoff run but championship aspirations are unrealistic right now.

[giannis and 1]

All I've got is that Bulls fans are absolutely delusional with how good they are and what their ceiling is.

I haven’t seen anything crazy from bulls fans honestly even though I haven’t looked too hard, I scroll their forum every once in a while.

They’re a legit good team though, top 10 in offense and defense through a 3rd of the season while having injuries and Covid problems. They’re right there with the bucks as far as net rating goes. They’re not in the true contender tier with Warriors, Suns, Nets, Bucks but they’re in the next one in my eyes and could have a suns or hawks type run if the playoffs continues to be as weird as it has been the past couple years.

I still see the east as the Bucks and Nets and then maybe the Heat as that 3rd team that could put a scare into the Bucks or Nets and maybe push a series to 6 games. Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are having nice seasons, props to them in their fans but the Bucks or Nets would make pretty quick work of them in a 7 game series IMO.

I would expect the Bucks now that they're healthy to pull away a bit n that Bulls/Cavs/Heat pack.

I actually think the Bulls are better than the Heat.

Bucks/Nets
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Bulls
Heat
Sixers
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Cavs
Hornets
Celtics
Hawks
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Wizards
Raptors
Knicks
Pacers

[mediocrityrules]

I haven’t seen anything crazy from bulls fans honestly even though I haven’t looked too hard, I scroll their forum every once in a while.

They’re a legit good team though, top 10 in offense and defense through a 3rd of the season while having injuries and Covid problems. They’re right there with the bucks as far as net rating goes. They’re not in the true contender tier with Warriors, Suns, Nets, Bucks but they’re in the next one in my eyes and could have a suns or hawks type run if the playoffs continues to be as weird as it has been the past couple years.

I still see the east as the Bucks and Nets and then maybe the Heat as that 3rd team that could put a scare into the Bucks or Nets and maybe push a series to 6 games. Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are having nice seasons, props to them in their fans but the Bucks or Nets would make pretty quick work of them in a 7 game series IMO.

I would expect the Bucks now that they're healthy to pull away a bit n that Bulls/Cavs/Heat pack.

I actually think the Bulls are better than the Heat.

Bucks/Nets
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Bulls
Heat
Sixers
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Cavs
Hornets
Celtics
Hawks
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Wizards
Raptors
Knicks
Pacers

I feel like the Celtics are in free fall at the moment, even with their missing players. When they're all healthy there's still not something right in their roster make-up. Jaylen and Tatum do not play well together either. They seem to put up their numbers in spite of each other, not because they compliment each other.

[giannis and 1]

Celtics blow another 4th quarter lead. That's a shame

So many players out on both sides. Yet.. Jaylen Brown, the only star from either team that played in the game, went 8/24 from the field and 2/8 from three. Ouch.

[giannis and 1]

I still see the east as the Bucks and Nets and then maybe the Heat as that 3rd team that could put a scare into the Bucks or Nets and maybe push a series to 6 games. Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are having nice seasons, props to them in their fans but the Bucks or Nets would make pretty quick work of them in a 7 game series IMO.

I would expect the Bucks now that they're healthy to pull away a bit n that Bulls/Cavs/Heat pack.

I actually think the Bulls are better than the Heat.

Bucks/Nets
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Bulls
Heat
Sixers
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Cavs
Hornets
Celtics
Hawks
-
Wizards
Raptors
Knicks
Pacers

I feel like the Celtics are in free fall at the moment, even with their missing players. When they're all healthy there's still not something right in their roster make-up. Jaylen and Tatum do not play well together either. They seem to put up their numbers in spite of each other, not because they compliment each other.

They have no chemistry and need a point guard.

[rilamann]

I think you’re delusional if you think we’re much better than the Bulls. Difference that separates is playoff/championship experience other than DeRozan who has plenty, but talent wise they have arguably a big 4 to our Big 3, of course Giannis is much better than their best.

Against a healthy, focused and locked in Bucks team in a best of 7 series, the Bulls would win 1 game, maybe.

Your post almost comes across as a closet Bulls fan trolling the Bucks board.

I guess it may be guarding against being a homer but I’m not going to sit here and say I feel confident in a near-sweep of the Bulls in a playoff series. They are really good offensively (efficient and have been hitting more 3s lately). Luckily not near the Bucks defensive ability so that probably separates things but combine this with a pretty good coach in Donovan and I think they could give us a series quite easily.

I give the Bulls credit, they're having a solid season. I think part of it is that they are a good team but I also think they're sneaking up on some people and they're out to prove themselves every night. They're good, but they're not on the level of the Bucks. If we played them in a series, I see it being a 4-1 series with some competitive games, but I don't really see the Bulls as a threat in the east if we're healthy and locked in.

In the playoffs we're going to have a massive advantage over every team in the east simply because we have Giannis. With the exception of the Nets because of KD, they're only team in the east that has an MVP level star who can go blow for blow with Giannis. The Nets are the only team in the east that legitimately concerns me.

Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are good teams that are having good regular seasons and can win a playoff series if they get the right match up in round 1. They're just not on that contender level like the Bucks and Nets.

[mediocrityrules]

Yeah the Boston board in meltdown at the moment. I remember those dark days.

[mediocrityrules]

Against a healthy, focused and locked in Bucks team in a best of 7 series, the Bulls would win 1 game, maybe.

Your post almost comes across as a closet Bulls fan trolling the Bucks board.

I guess it may be guarding against being a homer but I’m not going to sit here and say I feel confident in a near-sweep of the Bulls in a playoff series. They are really good offensively (efficient and have been hitting more 3s lately). Luckily not near the Bucks defensive ability so that probably separates things but combine this with a pretty good coach in Donovan and I think they could give us a series quite easily.

I give the Bulls credit, they're having a solid season. I think part of it is that they are a good team but I also think they're sneaking up on some people and they're out to prove themselves every night. They're good, but they're not on the level of the Bucks. If we played them in a series, I see it being a 4-1 series with some competitive games, but I don't really see the Bulls as a threat in the east if we're healthy and locked in.

In the playoffs we're going to have a massive advantage over every team in the east simply because we have Giannis. With the exception of the Nets because of KD, they're only team in the east that has an MVP level star who can go blow for blow with Giannis. The Nets are the only team in the east that legitimately concerns me.

Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are good teams that are having good regular seasons and can win a playoff series if they get the right match up in round 1. They're just not on that contender level like the Bucks and Nets.

The Bulls feel like Utah to me. They can put together fantastic RS games and numbers, but aren't proven in playoffs, and may not be good enough when the game slows down and the defenses tighten right up. They seem better in the open court with a flowing game. Won't get that in the playoffs.

[MickeyDavis]

Great game winner by Ja

[rilamann]

I haven’t seen anything crazy from bulls fans honestly even though I haven’t looked too hard, I scroll their forum every once in a while.

They’re a legit good team though, top 10 in offense and defense through a 3rd of the season while having injuries and Covid problems. They’re right there with the bucks as far as net rating goes. They’re not in the true contender tier with Warriors, Suns, Nets, Bucks but they’re in the next one in my eyes and could have a suns or hawks type run if the playoffs continues to be as weird as it has been the past couple years.

I still see the east as the Bucks and Nets and then maybe the Heat as that 3rd team that could put a scare into the Bucks or Nets and maybe push a series to 6 games. Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are having nice seasons, props to them in their fans but the Bucks or Nets would make pretty quick work of them in a 7 game series IMO.

I would expect the Bucks now that they're healthy to pull away a bit n that Bulls/Cavs/Heat pack.

I actually think the Bulls are better than the Heat.

Bucks/Nets
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Bulls
Heat
Sixers
-
Cavs
Hornets
Celtics
Hawks
-
Wizards
Raptors
Knicks
Pacers

Bulls or Heat would be a good debate. The Heat scare me, not so much because of their overall talent, but because they have two guys in PJ and Bam who they can throw at Giannis. If the Heat can slow Giannis down and get hot from 3, they have the guys to make that a possibility, they could be some trouble for us. Or Giannis could go full goat on them and the Heat could go cold and it would be a quick series for us like it was last season.

Bulls strike me as a good regular season team that will fizzle out a bit in the playoffs. I think our defense would give them a lot of trouble in a best of 7 series. They have a bunch of good players, but they don't have a player on the level of Giannis. I think we'd just be too much for them.

[rilamann]

Great game winner by Ja

That was good, always good to see the Suns lose one too...lol.

Nice game by Jalen Smith, he's someone I would love on the Bucks if we were going to go after a big guy. I doubt the Suns would trade him period, let alone to the Bucks.

[0BobLobLaw0]

I don't know what it is about Zach lavine... but every time I watch him play I can't figure out why he is a good player

[giannis and 1]

I still see the east as the Bucks and Nets and then maybe the Heat as that 3rd team that could put a scare into the Bucks or Nets and maybe push a series to 6 games. Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are having nice seasons, props to them in their fans but the Bucks or Nets would make pretty quick work of them in a 7 game series IMO.

I would expect the Bucks now that they're healthy to pull away a bit n that Bulls/Cavs/Heat pack.

I actually think the Bulls are better than the Heat.

Bucks/Nets
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Bulls
Heat
Sixers
-
Cavs
Hornets
Celtics
Hawks
-
Wizards
Raptors
Knicks
Pacers

Bulls or Heat would be a good debate. The Heat scare me, not so much because of their overall talent, but because they have two guys in PJ and Bam who they can throw at Giannis. If the Heat can slow Giannis down and get hot from 3, they have the guys to make that a possibility, they could be some trouble for us. Or Giannis could go full goat on them and the Heat could go cold and it would be a quick series for us like it was last season.

Bulls strike me as a good regular season team that will fizzle out a bit in the playoffs. I think our defense would give them a lot of trouble in a best of 7 series. They have a bunch of good players, but they don't have a player on the level of Giannis. I think we'd just be too much for them.

I think the Heat would have a better chance against us, but in a series against each other, I think the Bulls would beat the Heat.

[rilamann]

I guess it may be guarding against being a homer but I’m not going to sit here and say I feel confident in a near-sweep of the Bulls in a playoff series. They are really good offensively (efficient and have been hitting more 3s lately). Luckily not near the Bucks defensive ability so that probably separates things but combine this with a pretty good coach in Donovan and I think they could give us a series quite easily.

I give the Bulls credit, they're having a solid season. I think part of it is that they are a good team but I also think they're sneaking up on some people and they're out to prove themselves every night. They're good, but they're not on the level of the Bucks. If we played them in a series, I see it being a 4-1 series with some competitive games, but I don't really see the Bulls as a threat in the east if we're healthy and locked in.

In the playoffs we're going to have a massive advantage over every team in the east simply because we have Giannis. With the exception of the Nets because of KD, they're only team in the east that has an MVP level star who can go blow for blow with Giannis. The Nets are the only team in the east that legitimately concerns me.

Teams like the Bulls and Cavs are good teams that are having good regular seasons and can win a playoff series if they get the right match up in round 1. They're just not on that contender level like the Bucks and Nets.

The Bulls feel like Utah to me. They can put together fantastic RS games and numbers, but aren't proven in playoffs, and may not be good enough when the game slows down and the defenses tighten right up. They seem better in the open court with a flowing game. Won't get that in the playoffs.

That's exactly how I see the Bulls too. Really good team, but not a team that I see as a real threat to the top contenders in the playoffs. Just like Utah in the west. They'll win around 50 games and maybe get to the 2nd round, but that's probably their ceiling. It's like with Utah, no matter how good they look in the regular season and no matter what their record is, you know they're going to get knocked off by a team like the Grizzlies let alone have a real shot against the Suns or Warriors. Bulls being the eastern conference version of the Jazz is a really good comparison IMO.

[rilamann]

I actually think the Bulls are better than the Heat.

Bucks/Nets
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Bulls
Heat
Sixers
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Cavs
Hornets
Celtics
Hawks
-
Wizards
Raptors
Knicks
Pacers

Bulls or Heat would be a good debate. The Heat scare me, not so much because of their overall talent, but because they have two guys in PJ and Bam who they can throw at Giannis. If the Heat can slow Giannis down and get hot from 3, they have the guys to make that a possibility, they could be some trouble for us. Or Giannis could go full goat on them and the Heat could go cold and it would be a quick series for us like it was last season.

Bulls strike me as a good regular season team that will fizzle out a bit in the playoffs. I think our defense would give them a lot of trouble in a best of 7 series. They have a bunch of good players, but they don't have a player on the level of Giannis. I think we'd just be too much for them.

I think the Heat would have a better chance against us, but in a series against each other, I think the Bulls would beat the Heat.

You could be right about that, it's one of those match up things. If you took the Bucks and Nets out of the argument in the east, who is the best team? I would be tempted to say the Bulls right now. With Miami being #2 when they're fully healthy. That said, I'd be more nervous from the Buck's perspective if we played the Heat than if we played the Bulls.

I don't think the Heat would beat the Bucks in a series if the Bucks are locked in and relatively healthy, I think we could beat Miami without Lopez, although he'd be big in that series no pun intended. Miami is just one of those teams I would rather not have to face in the playoffs if we can help it. Let them beat up the Nets in round 2.

If the Nets get the #1 seed, I will be hoping Miami is in that #4 vs #5 match up. If we get the #1 seed, hopefully Miami finishes #3.

Here's how I see the east finishing up as of right now, still got a long way to go obviously and a lot can change.

#1 Bucks 56-26 - I think we end up over taking the Nets by seasons end. Partly because I think we're going to pick it up a notch or two and partly because I think the Nets are going to load manage KD a bit in the 2nd half of the season. Although Bud could load manage Giannis and a few other guys in the 2nd half of the season for us and make it a wash.

#2 Nets 54-28 - Like I said, I think the Nets load manage KD and probably Harden too in the 2nd half of the season. I can't imagine that Nash is going to continue to play KD close to 40 minutes almost every night for the rest of the season. I could be wrong though, I think if the Nets go hard for the #1 seed and don't manage KD's minutes, they will win around 58 games and get the #1 seed. As of right now, I think the #1 seed is the Net's to lose. But is it worth driving KD into the ground by May? For some reason the Nets strike me as the type of team who would jeopardize winning the east to try and get the #1 seed. Maybe that's just me. If they want the #1 seed bad enough to drive KD into the ground to get it, be my guest. We know Bud isn't going to drive Giannis into the ground for the #1 seed.

#3 Bulls 51-31 - I think the Bulls will cool off a bit and not sneak up on people as much in the 2nd half of the season. 51-31 is still a really good record for them.

#4 Heat 49-33 - Would have had the Heat #3 if Bam hadn't gotten hurt. I don't think they can beat the Nets or Bucks in a series but they can put some scare into them.

#5 Sixers 48-34 - I think the Sixers come back and go on a good run, they were actually on a good track until Embiid got Covid. There's always that team or two who goes on a run and has a couple of the better records after the all star break. I think the Sixers will be one of those teams, like the Hawks last season. Plus they will probably end up getting some quality players for Simmons at some point before the deadline.

#6 Cavs 46-36 - I think the Cavs come back down to earth a bit, they're good but I think they are overachieving and like the Bulls, are sneaking up on people. 46-36 is a great season compared to where the Cavs were last season. One of the surprise teams and coolest stories of the season. If they trade for Simmons? I think they could drop out of #6 and end up in the play-in. If I am the Cavs I don't go for Simmons. They have a good thing going chemistry wise, it looks like they have a good group of guys who enjoy playing together, it's one of the reasons they are playing well, don't risk messing it up. I wouldn't at least

Those are my six who get in. Hard to say who is going to be #7 and #8 because of the play-in. The play-in is actually going to be pretty incredible because 2 really good teams aren't going to make the playoffs. My play-in teams would be the Hornets, Celtics, Hawks and Wizards. I think the Hawks end up #7 and stay #7 after the play-in. I'll say Hornets get #8. Celtics, Knicks and Wizards are all really solid teams that won't make the playoffs.


That's my take. I think the east is the Bucks and Nets and a bunch of really good teams who aren't quite good enough to beat the Bucks and Nets. If I had to sum it up.

[Ruzious]

I don't know what it is about Zach lavine... but every time I watch him play I can't figure out why he is a good player

It uh... does require knowing the difference between a basketball and a hockey puck. Other than that, it's not that hard, tbh.

[Ruzious]

I feel like the Celtics are in free fall at the moment, even with their missing players. When they're all healthy there's still not something right in their roster make-up. Jaylen and Tatum do not play well together either. They seem to put up their numbers in spite of each other, not because they compliment each other.

Speaking of the Celtics loss to Minnesota, congrats go to Greg Monroe. Call it a comeback.

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[emunney]

Yeah the Boston board in meltdown at the moment. I remember those dark days.

Saw Cs fans on twitter complaining about Udoka not playing the 10 day guys. If that's the problem, that's not The Problem.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wouldn't call the bulls serious contenders but really who the **** knows. It's not like we've seen this group together in a playoff series and most of their key guys have never been in the playoffs at all. Most of the time that's not a recipe for success but it's not completely out of the question that a guy like Lavine would blow up in a series.

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[crkone]

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