2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

DutchManDanFan · Post #521 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:45 am

I’m quite sure all the superstars can lead a bad team to a .500 record and have great stats. It’s something else to lead a good team to a great record. The low seed/big stats guy only has a chance to win it if the best teams in the league don’t have a clear MVP on their team.

_NoMas · Post #522 » by **_NoMas** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:32 am

At what point does Demar Derozan warrant being put alongside the 4 main contenders? Feels like it should be a 5 man discussion now…

Clocian · Post #523 » by **Clocian** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:39 am

_NoMas wrote:At what point does Demar Derozan warrant being put alongside the 4 main contenders? Feels like it should be a 5 man discussion now…

Zach should be in there too. They damn near have identical stats.

26.4 pts / 50% fg / 40% 3p / 5.2 reb / 4.4 ast
27 pts / 50.6 % fg / 36.5% 3p / 5.1 reb / 4.4 ast

Literal co-mvp

They won't win because of KD/Curry, but should definitely be in the discussion

_NoMas · Post #524 » by **_NoMas** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:01 pm

Yeah agreed - it will probably end up counting against them but they should definitely be in the conversation right now.

AleksandarN · Post #525 » by **AleksandarN** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:23 pm

BoatsNZones wrote:
GSP wrote:Draymond out with Covid/safety protocols. Gonna be very interesting to see how Steph and the Warriors do. Steph and Dray have barely played without each other during the Kerr era. So much of their impact is tied together. Lets see........

They have thousands of minutes of on/off data over the years my man. There is no secret to either of their impact. And there is no secret to who runs the ship.

The Warriors next 4 games are Nuggets (2x), Miami and Utah. If they come out 2-2 without any wings and Draymond, I would be thrilled. The Warriors are a mess right now. This could be a 1-3 (0-4? Yikes. Possible) and a chance for the others to catch ground though. We shall see. Curry looks healthy. We may be in for a show.

Have you seen the Nuggets recently no way the Warriors lose

BoatsNZones · Post #526 » by **BoatsNZones** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:46 pm

I actually think Gobert and the Jazz are the guys being overlooked here. I think I could make the best case for him over any other player to round out the top 5 in MVP voting if it were taken today. They have a top 3 record (ahead of all East teams currently and #2 in SRS behind GS), he's averaging 15/15 + a steal and 2+ blocks on 72%(!) FG as a DPOY candidate. Advanced wise he's top 5 in RAPTOR and VORP while leading the NBA in WinShares, TS% and Rebound%.

I understand that he's not the sexy choice and people have hangups of his D in certain playoff series (most of which are massively overblown as well as irrelevant here), but he deserves to be on the top 5 ballot as is imo. At the very least his name should be mentioned in the discussion.

Marrrcuss · Post #527 » by **Marrrcuss** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:15 pm

The Lakers are in the 7th spot and LeBron is playing well, does he get consideration? Steph came in 3rd from the 8 spot last year.

BoatsNZones · Post #528 » by **BoatsNZones** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:40 pm

Marrrcuss wrote:The Lakers are in the 7th spot and LeBron is playing well, does he get consideration? Steph came in 3rd from the 8 spot last year.

The Lakers were the favorite to come out of the West and are 2 games below .500. Lebron is not top 5 in any advanced metrics (Curry was... he was playing at a clearly higher level than Lebron is, and nothing was expected from those Warriors that he had playing well over .500 ball). 'Bron is in plenty of discussions with these Lakers, but none of them are related to MVP.

WarriorGM · Post #529 » by **WarriorGM** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:43 pm

Marrrcuss wrote:The Lakers are in the 7th spot and LeBron is playing well, does he get consideration? Steph came in 3rd from the 8 spot last year.

Channeling a lot of Steph envy today aren't we?

Don't worry about LeBron the league has made sure with its playin change that his geriatric team has the best chance to conserve energy and fumble around in the regular season and still make the playoffs.

Marrrcuss · Post #530 » by **Marrrcuss** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:51 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Marrrcuss wrote:The Lakers are in the 7th spot and LeBron is playing well, does he get consideration? Steph came in 3rd from the 8 spot last year.

Channeling a lot of Steph envy today aren't we?

Don't worry about LeBron the league has made sure with its playin change that his geriatric team has the best chance to conserve energy and fumble around in the regular season and still make the playoffs.

I am OCD on consistency in all ways of life, lol.

Wait, first, if you thought the Harden topic was about Steph, you should have something about being a huge GSW fan in your screen name....

(check)

But im a Bron stan and since steph opened the door for players on teams in the bottom to win MVP, and hes playing pretty damn well, i think he should be considered.

giberish · Post #531 » by **giberish** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:19 pm

Alatan wrote:What bothers me about this years MVP race is how the media and a lot of casuals are hypocrites. Last season it was all about how Curry should be the MVP no mater his record because stats. This season its the reverse, its about the record no mater the stats. Laughable.

I dont mind Jokic not winning MVP even as is think he is carrying the hardest as MVP candidates need to have a good record so we can eliminate stat padders like WB that are detrimental to their teams. But the hypocrisy is something else.

I don't remember Curry getting much MVP consideration until late in the season. And even then it was a pretty clear third option behind Jokic/Embiid. Curry moved up late in the year due to a strong finishing run combined with many other top players missing big chunks of games taking them out of the MVP race. Perhaps there was some Giannis fatigue as well as he was the only other guy with the quality and availability to be considered above Curry.

Jokic is at worst 4th in MVP consideration this year and probably closer to #1 then Curry ever got to last year.

Marrrcuss · Post #532 » by **Marrrcuss** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:28 pm

Alatan wrote:What bothers me about this years MVP race is how the media and a lot of casuals are hypocrites. Last season it was all about how Curry should be the MVP no mater his record because stats. This season its the reverse, its about the record no mater the stats. Laughable.

I dont mind Jokic not winning MVP even as is think he is carrying the hardest as MVP candidates need to have a good record so we can eliminate stat padders like WB that are detrimental to their teams. But the hypocrisy is something else.

You are correct sir.

Thats the irritating part. Before last year, I would have been even more on his side this year. Tradition has been either you have a ridiculous season on MORE THAN ONE ACCOUNT or youre the best player on one the best teams. Last year, he didnt do either but got first place votes.

I think Jokic is getting a raw deal.

feyki · Post #533 » by **feyki** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:33 pm

Marrrcuss wrote:The Lakers are in the 7th spot and LeBron is playing well, does he get consideration? Steph came in 3rd from the 8 spot last year.

LA have 6-7 record without him and 11-11 with him.

Marrrcuss · Post #534 » by **Marrrcuss** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:35 pm

feyki wrote:
Marrrcuss wrote:The Lakers are in the 7th spot and LeBron is playing well, does he get consideration? Steph came in 3rd from the 8 spot last year.

LA have 6-7 record without him and 11-11 with him.

It will get better. Im not one of those people thats going to intentionally ignore how hurt they have been. I get it for people that hate the lakers but i find it silly af. We all know they have been decimated. I still expect the record to improve though.

eyeatoma · Post #535 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:46 pm

Prez wrote:Who you got, 20-25 games into the season?

Defending MVP:

NBA KIA MVP Ladder:
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-lamelo-ball-makes-way-into-conversation

BBallref 2021-22 MVP Tracker:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html

Poll options were made based on a combination of the bballref tracker & MVP ladder above - who should be added, and who should they replace?

Can we please add Embiid to the poll, thanks. Dude has averaged nearly 29 ppg in the last month.

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GSP · Post #536 » by **GSP** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:09 am

Luka having 0 votes is WILD......I dont think he should have any but he was the preseason favorite for Mvp the last 2 seasons now........

Lamak · Post #537 » by **Lamak** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 3:17 am

Steph the current MVP favorite, Jokic / KD / Giannis the next bracket. Darkhorse Derozan

Buckeye-NBAFan · Post #538 » by **Buckeye-NBAFan** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:04 am

DutchManDanFan wrote:I’m quite sure all the superstars can lead a bad team to a .500 record and have great stats. It’s something else to lead a good team to a great record. The low seed/big stats guy only has a chance to win it if the best teams in the league don’t have a clear MVP on their team.

Denver was the #2, #3 and #3 seed over the last 3 years, so it's pretty obvious Jokic can lead a good team to a great record, and that they don't have a great record yet this year only because of injuries.

mediocrityrules · Post #539 » by **mediocrityrules** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:36 am

Pains me to say it, but Jokic still my number one pick currently for MVP.

Balls Deep · Post #540 » by **Balls Deep** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:04 am

The Lakers would have a handful of wins without Bron, but u y’all don’t wanna hear that tho

Who is the MVP so far? (Poll Re-set 1/14/22)