The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

jfs1000d · Post #1861 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:36 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Need to tear it down to Tatum and maybe Grant, Langford and Nesmith, and acquire assets. Shoot for Beal in the off season. This team is going nowhere.

Tatum is the easier guy to deal with. Brown? Just too smart for his own good. Brown is a locker room lawyer and a contrarian.

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MagicBagley18 · Post #1862 » by **MagicBagley18** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:52 pm

Trade Jaylen in the offseason....dame is probably biggest name available & then go for beal in the sign and trade. It’s the teams only chance. U wanna get beal first then trade Jaylen ? That works too but the first idea is a chance to compete for a ring.

Curmudgeon · Post #1863 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:55 pm

Brown's intelligence doesn't bother me, but his assist to turnover ratio does--alot.
Last night he put up numbers but didn't play well at all. He missed plenty of shots-- I think it was the second quarter until he made one--and he was schooled on defense by D-leaguers.

Obviously it's time to blow it up. The good news is that we are headed for the lottery and in the draft we will have a shot at players like Paolo Banchero.

Larry_Russell · Post #1864 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:56 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:Trade Jaylen in the offseason....dame is probably biggest name available & then go for beal in the sign and trade. It’s the teams only chance. U wanna get beal first then trade Jaylen ? That works too but the first idea is a chance to compete for a ring.

I feel like we need a wing a point and a center to compete for a chip.

Jaylen for KAT theoretically could be a thing.

But still would need a PG. Beal can be a point guard right?

BK_2020 · Post #1865 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 3:58 pm

Jaylen for KAT won't be a thing because the Wolves GM hasn't lost his mind yet.

MagicBagley18 · Post #1866 » by **MagicBagley18** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:09 pm

KAT won’t be available Imo and then if he was I’m skeptical glen Taylor sends another franchise player to Boston and then I’m not sure t wolves want brown with ant.

Positions mean less to me than others- it’s a position less league. It’s always about talent. Always will be.

Curmudgeon · Post #1867 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:32 pm

I'm not interested in trading away talent to get more talent. I'm interested in trading Tatum and Brown for expiring contracts, undervalued young prospects and draft picks. I want to be really bad for a couple of years in order to get good later.

The Celtics are currently a 40-win team. Trade Jaylen Brown for Karl Anthony Towns and they are still a 40-win team. What's the point? You have to break the cycle of mediocrity, not perpetuate it.

GoGreen · Post #1868 » by **GoGreen** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:34 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Tim Legler of ESPN said the Celts will always be in the hunt because of the Jays.

The problem is the Celts don't have a playmaker, according to Legler.

So if Brad can upgrade the PG position, that allows Marcus Smart to return to the role of SG/PG.
For 2 seasons now it's very clear that Smart is not a real PG.
Yes, Smart makes great passes, but that doesn't mean he can run an offense.

Letting the Jays run the offense doesn't work.

What the Celts need is a real floor general.

After the PG position, Brad should add another shooter.

The question is can Brad make upgrades this season or do we have to wait until the summer of 2022?

How many floor generals are out there and even possibly available?? I like Dejounte Murray, but at what price.. Hali is my top choice, but at what price? There aren't any CP3s out there??

Cough Ben Simmons. Dude value is low and it is a risk, but he would ignite this offense and team.

We have no playmaker on the team. No one to control the tempo.

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This team has a culture/pride problem. There's something stinky in that locker room and I think Ben Simmons would only makes it worse, for as tempting as he may be. Imo, either the Jays have to go, be split up, or we bring in players around them to wake them up ala KG to Pierce. I'd give up the damn house for Dejounte Murray and fill out the rest of the roster with some tough roleplayers who hate to lose, the types who will get into the Jays' face when they're playing like sh*t and whining.

Curmudgeon · Post #1869 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:35 pm

No, this team has a talent problem at the top.

Larry_Russell · Post #1870 » by **Larry_Russell** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:44 pm

Talent at the top is fine.

Problems are a potential overlapping of browna and tatum and even more so the coaching and the skillsets surrounding them

Ime is a horrible coach.

Curmudgeon · Post #1871 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:46 pm

blame the coach, blame the role players, the officials, the general manager or the phases of the moon. If the talent at the top were fine, the team would be fine. It isn't.

BK_2020 · Post #1872 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:47 pm

If Jaylen's problem is "overlapping" with Tatum then why is he worse when Tatum sits

cl2117 · Post #1873 » by **cl2117** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:02 pm

Look at the Suns. Similar talent levels but they were missing a piece to bring it all together.

Tatum and Brown aren't LeBron/Giannis type talents that are going to drag a mediocre team to greener pastures no matter what. That's fine but it just means you need to get that third heat that can bring it all together.

CP3 was that for Phoenix. C's need to find their own equivalent if they want to make this roster work. That's not an indictment against Tatum and Brown as star talents, it's just an acknowledgement of their limitations.

GoGreen · Post #1874 » by **GoGreen** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:13 pm

cl2117 wrote:Look at the Suns. Similar talent levels but they were missing a piece to bring it all together.

Tatum and Brown aren't LeBron/Giannis type talents that are going to drag a mediocre team to greener pastures no matter what. That's fine but it just means you need to get that third heat that can bring it all together.

CP3 was that for Phoenix. C's need to find their own equivalent if they want to make this roster work. That's not an indictment against Tatum and Brown as star talents, it's just an acknowledgement of their limitations.

I really wonder if Dejounte Murray could be that guy. I'm just not ready to give up on the Jays yet. Maybe I'm naive, idk, but talented wings don't grow on trees. Really want to find a way to make it work. Question is, will the Spurs even trade him?

Curmudgeon · Post #1875 » by **Curmudgeon** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:22 pm

Sure, the Suns improved when they got CP3. So have they won a championship? Do we expect them to win one this year? I don't.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1876 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:25 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Sure, the Suns improved when they got CP3. So have they won a championship? Do we expect them to win one this year? I don't.

LOL. They have a legit shot this year.

So your plan is to tear it down and dump 2 All Stars, and try to draft the next Giannis or LeBron or Steph Curry?

Celts17Pride · Post #1877 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:49 pm

BK_2020 wrote:If Jaylen's problem is "overlapping" with Tatum then why is he worse when Tatum sits

I've seen Tatum have 50 games over the last two tears like the one Jaylen Brown had last night. Your stretching on your Jaylen Brown hate.

Post #1878 » by **Feed Your Head** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:54 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:If Jaylen's problem is "overlapping" with Tatum then why is he worse when Tatum sits

I've seen Tatum have 50 games over the last two tears like the one Jaylen Brown had last night. Your stretching on your Jaylen Brown hate.

50? Stop it lol. That post is just as much Tatum hate as the quoted one is Jaylen hate.

There’s a massive difference between being the guy defenses load up against, and being the guy playing off of that.

BK_2020 · Post #1879 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:56 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Sure, the Suns improved when they got CP3. So have they won a championship? Do we expect them to win one this year? I don't.

LOL. They have a legit shot this year.

So your plan is to tear it down and dump 2 All Stars, and try to draft the next Giannis or LeBron or Steph Curry?

Odds are Jaylen never makes another all star game. He shouldn't have gotten in last year either. It should've been Lavine.

cl2117 · Post #1880 » by **cl2117** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:57 pm

GoGreen wrote:
cl2117 wrote:Look at the Suns. Similar talent levels but they were missing a piece to bring it all together.

Tatum and Brown aren't LeBron/Giannis type talents that are going to drag a mediocre team to greener pastures no matter what. That's fine but it just means you need to get that third heat that can bring it all together.

CP3 was that for Phoenix. C's need to find their own equivalent if they want to make this roster work. That's not an indictment against Tatum and Brown as star talents, it's just an acknowledgement of their limitations.

I really wonder if Dejounte Murray could be that guy. I'm just not ready to give up on the Jays yet. Maybe I'm naive, idk, but talented wings don't grow on trees. Really want to find a way to make it work. Question is, will the Spurs even trade him?

Think he's exactly what we need, but no reason for them to trade him unless they're looking to tank, which isn't a very Spurs thing to do. Maybe if Pop wants to be our next McHale and send us him for picks when he's on his way out thanks to the Ime connection, but I just don't see a realistic path to getting him barring something unexpected happening.