Would James Harden and Blake Griffin for Lonzo Ball and Nikola Vucevic trade be upgrade for the Nets ?

[Jazztop]

The Nets are contenders. They’re not looking to trade a former MVP for 2 good young players when they already have everything they need and more once KD, Kyrie and LMA get back. Chicago doesn’t need that trade either.

It’s like this board is full of wannabe Billy Kings

[JoseRizal]

No for the Nets. They're contending, not treadmilling...

[basketballRob]

Nets would laugh at this and quickly say no before Bulls could accept.

Vucevic is the type of guy who other teams routinely exploit come playoff time, he'll be run off the court when it matters, and while Lonzo is good he's no Harden... Harden chilling and in cruise control has been a much better player than Lonzo this year, when Scary Hours is activated the comparison between the two becomes even more laughable.

Vucevic dominated the last time he was in the playoffs. 51/41/91. 28 PPG 11 RPG 4 APG.

If the Bulls played the Nets in the playoffs, Vuc would run them off the court. They have no one to matchup with him.

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[chitownsports4ever]

Imagine thinking Ball and Vucevic are better than a former MVP.

He hasn't been great this year. But hes still WAY better than those guys. Bulls would take that deal in 5 seconds.

Bulls would say no and wouldn't hesitate at all.

You are overrating Harden

They have Lavine and DeRozan why would they give up a top 10 center and a top 5 defensive pg for someone whose value comes entirely from scoring ?

People thinking the Bulls would even consider this deal this dont understand the way the they have constructed the team.

Ball is basically the key to how the Bulls want to play which is to disrupt the pick and chuck every time down the floor and Harden is basically the opposite of that

No you are overrating Ball and Vucevic.

Ball is a role player. Nothing more.

Vucevic has been FAR worse than Harden. And its not close. The Bulls have won in spite of him. .48 TS and bad defense.

Hes nothing more than a bad contract. A negative asset at this point.

So yeah Ball for Harden is not a trade the Nets would ever consider. And the Bulls would accept in 3 seconds.

The Bulls wouldn't touch Harden with a ten foot pole he doesn't give us anything we dont already have .

What part of defense don't you understand ? The Bulls have a top 3 SF and SG in the league right now they have literally ZERO use for a non defensive guard . Lonzos defense and floor game is more valuable to the Bulls than anything Harden brings to the table at this stage of his career and Vuc even with his scoring struggles is till a top 3 center in the east averaging 15 10 3 1 and 1 .

[Hello Brooklyn]

Bulls would say no and wouldn't hesitate at all.

You are overrating Harden

They have Lavine and DeRozan why would they give up a top 10 center and a top 5 defensive pg for someone whose value comes entirely from scoring ?

People thinking the Bulls would even consider this deal this dont understand the way the they have constructed the team.

Ball is basically the key to how the Bulls want to play which is to disrupt the pick and chuck every time down the floor and Harden is basically the opposite of that

No you are overrating Ball and Vucevic.

Ball is a role player. Nothing more.

Vucevic has been FAR worse than Harden. And its not close. The Bulls have won in spite of him. .48 TS and bad defense.

Hes nothing more than a bad contract. A negative asset at this point.

So yeah Ball for Harden is not a trade the Nets would ever consider. And the Bulls would accept in 3 seconds.

The Bulls wouldn't touch Harden with a ten foot pole he doesn't give us anything we dont already have .

What part of defense don't you understand ? The Bulls have a top 3 SF and SG in the league right now they have literally ZERO use for a non defensive guard . Lonzos defense and floor game is more valuable to the Bulls than anything Harden brings to the table at this stage of his career and Vuc even with his scoring struggles is till a top 3 center in the east averaging 15 10 3 1 and 1 .

He doesn't give you anything you don't have?

How about a Superstar? You know the one thing you almost always need to win a Championship.

If you are really banking on Demar Derozan you will be disappointed. As he proved every year in Toronto as a choke artist.

Lavine is an unknown. But he certainly can't do it alone.

Harden is literally one of the greatest offensive players of all time. And a bad 30 game sample doesn't change that.

I'm pretty sure Harden's elite level offense is FAR more valuable than Lonzo's defense lol. A guy who has never even made on all defensive team. And is not even the best defender on the Bulls.

Everyone has use for a Superstar level offensive guard. Your argument makes zero sense.

You don't want Harden for what? To preserve your mediocore 2nd round exit team? Ok man. Makes perfect sense.

The Bulls would trade Harden for anyone on your roster. Easily. Without question.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets would laugh at this and quickly say no before Bulls could accept.

Vucevic is the type of guy who other teams routinely exploit come playoff time, he'll be run off the court when it matters, and while Lonzo is good he's no Harden... Harden chilling and in cruise control has been a much better player than Lonzo this year, when Scary Hours is activated the comparison between the two becomes even more laughable.

Vucevic dominated the last time he was in the playoffs. 51/41/91. 28 PPG 11 RPG 4 APG.

If the Bulls played the Nets in the playoffs, Vuc would run them off the court. They have no one to matchup with him.

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Bucks had no one to exploit him back then.

You put him in a playoff series vs a guy like Curry/Harden/Kyrie he gets played off the court. Easily.

He would be a defensive liability. FAR worse than Gobert.

[basketballRob]

Nets would laugh at this and quickly say no before Bulls could accept.

Vucevic is the type of guy who other teams routinely exploit come playoff time, he'll be run off the court when it matters, and while Lonzo is good he's no Harden... Harden chilling and in cruise control has been a much better player than Lonzo this year, when Scary Hours is activated the comparison between the two becomes even more laughable.

Vucevic dominated the last time he was in the playoffs. 51/41/91. 28 PPG 11 RPG 4 APG.

If the Bulls played the Nets in the playoffs, Vuc would run them off the court. They have no one to matchup with him.

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Bucks had no one to exploit him back then.

You put him in a playoff series vs a guy like Curry/Harden/Kyrie he gets played off the court. Easily.

He would be a defensive liability. FAR worse than Gobert.

Vuc would average 27 and 16 on Griffin. The Bucks had a player named Giannis.

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[Hello Brooklyn]

Vucevic dominated the last time he was in the playoffs. 51/41/91. 28 PPG 11 RPG 4 APG.

If the Bulls played the Nets in the playoffs, Vuc would run them off the court. They have no one to matchup with him.

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Bucks had no one to exploit him back then.

You put him in a playoff series vs a guy like Curry/Harden/Kyrie he gets played off the court. Easily.

He would be a defensive liability. FAR worse than Gobert.

Vuc would average 27 and 16 on Griffin. The Bucks had a player named Giannis.

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I mean he basically put that up v Giannis anyway lol. 28/11

Also wouldn't be Griffin. Don't forget about Claxton.

[TheFinishSniper]

Also wouldn't be Griffin. Don't forget about Claxton.

yeah. mvp claxton coming to the rescue. better make that james harden trade now.

[InsideInfo]

This is honestly so pointless. Nets fans just cannot get over the idea that Harden is not a perfect fit on every team.

The Bulls are 11 games over 500. They have the 5th best record in the NBA. Why is it so hard to believe they wouldn't want to trade starters who are locked into contracts and complement our stars?

All of the Nets fans hair are completely ignoring the reality that HARDEN CAN WALK AT THE END OF THE SEASON.

Hardens main asset as a player is his ability to score and his ability to get to the free throw line.

The Bulls have that. 27ppg and 26.4PPG for DDR and Lavine. DDR is 2nd in the NBA at FT per game.

Harden is just not the guy that we need.

It blows my mind that after watching the Lakers this season people can't seem to figure out that just bc you have superstars doesn't mean it's necessary going to work and be a good fit.

[Karate Diop]

Vucevic dominated the last time he was in the playoffs. 51/41/91. 28 PPG 11 RPG 4 APG.

If the Bulls played the Nets in the playoffs, Vuc would run them off the court. They have no one to matchup with him.

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Bucks had no one to exploit him back then.

You put him in a playoff series vs a guy like Curry/Harden/Kyrie he gets played off the court. Easily.

He would be a defensive liability. FAR worse than Gobert.

Vuc would average 27 and 16 on Griffin. The Bucks had a player named Giannis.

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Vucevic would be the Nets 4th best player

Vucevic was a -48 that series, the Bucks wanted him on the court because the longer he was out there the bigger the Bucks lead would become. Also what happened the year before when Vucevic was a -66 and averaged 11 and 8 on 36% shooting? You seemed to have conveniently left that out...

I get it, the Bulls are happy their team is going all out right now to try to get regular season wins but we've seen limited mobility bigs get game planned out come playoff time again and again and again... Vuc ain't special.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Also wouldn't be Griffin. Don't forget about Claxton.

yeah. mvp claxton coming to the rescue. better make that james harden trade now.

Better get off Derozan before he goes for his annual playoff choke and get benched in the 4th Q.

[Bulls2021]

I would hang up if the Bulls offered anything for Harden.

Not for Derozan, Ball and Lavine combined.

None of those guys are Superstars. Not even close. They don't grow on trees. 4 quarters don't equal a dollar when it comes to talent.

Harden just last year was a top 5 player. And a 30 game stretch coming off injury doesn't change that.

Look at the game tonight if you need further proof.

I will take that 1000x over a #2 pick bust role player, a habitual playoff choker, and a guy who hasn't been on a winning team in his life until age 26.

Harden is no superstar anymore and a both LaVine and DeRozan are better right now. That is a FACT backed objective statistics and also the eye test.

Theyre better for a 30 game sample when Harden is coming off an injury with a shortened off season.

He is a Superstar.

Derozan has never been a superstar in his career. Hes a habitual playoff choker. Lavine is a career loser.

They will never be on the same planet as Harden. Who is a top 30 guy of all time easily.

You realize we're talking about the guy who came into camp fat as ****, gave zero effort, sabotaged his team and forced a trade? Talk about a loser. Harden hasn't won a damn thing with stacked teams.

[Evalar]

This is all getting a bit childish when you have to sink to slandering three great players your argument looks weak. If Nets fans wouldn't consider it and neither would the Bulls fans then the answer seems to be that it isn't an upgrade for either team. Looking at the standings in the East it seems that each player is were they should be. As a Nets fan I have to say that Harden is nowhere near washed though!!

[Hello Brooklyn]

Harden is no superstar anymore and a both LaVine and DeRozan are better right now. That is a FACT backed objective statistics and also the eye test.

Theyre better for a 30 game sample when Harden is coming off an injury with a shortened off season.

He is a Superstar.

Derozan has never been a superstar in his career. Hes a habitual playoff choker. Lavine is a career loser.

They will never be on the same planet as Harden. Who is a top 30 guy of all time easily.

You realize we're talking about the guy who came into camp fat as ****, gave zero effort, sabotaged his team and forced a trade? Talk about a loser. Harden hasn't won a damn thing with stacked teams.

Harden isn't the first player to demand a trade and play his way out of a team and he won't be the last.

Still way better than Lavine who couldn't even get to .500 in the pathetic East without a ton of talent on the roster.

[Bulls2021]

Theyre better for a 30 game sample when Harden is coming off an injury with a shortened off season.

He is a Superstar.

Derozan has never been a superstar in his career. Hes a habitual playoff choker. Lavine is a career loser.

They will never be on the same planet as Harden. Who is a top 30 guy of all time easily.

You realize we're talking about the guy who came into camp fat as ****, gave zero effort, sabotaged his team and forced a trade? Talk about a loser. Harden hasn't won a damn thing with stacked teams.

Harden isn't the first player to demand a trade and play his way out of a team and he won't be the last.

Still way better than Lavine who couldn't even get to .500 in the pathetic East without a ton of talent on the roster.

What Harden did was shameful. He completely gave up and made it blatant. Zach has more dignity than that. As it stands, they both have the same number of championships. Harden hasn't won a thing yet.

[nitric0]

Also wouldn't be Griffin. Don't forget about Claxton.

yeah. mvp claxton coming to the rescue. better make that james harden trade now.

Better get off Derozan before he goes for his annual playoff choke and get benched in the 4th Q.

I forgot harden has won a championship before. Or maybe you enjoy living in the past.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I’d like to trade Siakam for Karl Towns next in OPs fantasy land

[Fantastik_Goat]

Also wouldn't be Griffin. Don't forget about Claxton.

yeah. mvp claxton coming to the rescue. better make that james harden trade now.

Better get off Derozan before he goes for his annual playoff choke and get benched in the 4th Q.

Right!
How dare people compare him to James “The Closer” Harden.
Derozan has never won a championship, he’s never even made it to the finals. 0-27

[Sharcm1]

This is a very fun thread. Why would anyone make such a trade. Yeah let’s trade harden for two role players. Pass. No one is trading harden. Maybe Irving but not harden