ImageImageImage

Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

Moderators: bisme37, Parliament10, canman1971, shackles10, snowman, Froob, Darthlukey, Shak_Celts

ddb
RealGM
Posts: 11,525
And1: 11,793
Joined: May 10, 2007

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1461 » by ddb » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:21 pm

theman wrote:
ddb wrote:Ironic how as soon as boosters started being administered, omicron boomed. Now the more boosters the more omicron.


Wait until everyone starts testing and all the asymptomatic people start testing positive.

As Dr. Campbell pointed out Omicron is actually the best thing to happen since Trump got the vaccine pushed through the FDA in record time. With Omicron (should that be capitalized?) being far less lethal it should bring us closer to herd immunity. Honestly if omicron and later variants are no worse than a cold (and I don't like having a cold) who cares? We should be able to go back to normal.


In theory you are right. But there is literally zero chance they let this go. At this point they have enough people on a string believing all the lies. It’s not going to stop.
exculpatory
RealGM
Posts: 15,195
And1: 11,386
Joined: Nov 10, 2008

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1462 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:33 pm

Sorry or actually not sorry.
Unless unavoidable, I am not reading your dangerous disinformation any longer.
SamIam 2010: Truth's ability to play so incredibly efficiently is so UNDERAPPRECIATED. Bballcool 2012: Amazing how great Pierce has been for so long. Continues to defy age! KG 2013: P is original Celtic. Wherever he goes, we go. This is The Truth's house.
ddb
RealGM
Posts: 11,525
And1: 11,793
Joined: May 10, 2007

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1463 » by ddb » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:04 pm

exculpatory wrote:Sorry or actually not sorry.
Unless unavoidable, I am not reading your dangerous disinformation any longer.


Stand 6ft apart. Wear a mask. Quarantine for 14 days
Get vaccinated. Don’t have to wear a mask if vaccinated. Quarantine for 10 days. Get booster. Wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Quarantine for 5 days

THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Just blind followers & order takers. Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters
djFan71
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 13,214
And1: 19,332
Joined: Jul 24, 2010
 

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1464 » by djFan71 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:07 pm

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:Sorry or actually not sorry.
Unless unavoidable, I am not reading your dangerous disinformation any longer.


Stand 6ft apart. Wear a mask. Quarantine for 14 days
Get vaccinated. Don’t have to wear a mask if vaccinated. Quarantine for 10 days. Get booster. Wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Quarantine for 5 days

THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Just blind followers & order takers. Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters

Science changes as new facts come in and conditions change.
User avatar
Parliament10
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 50,753
And1: 59,630
Joined: Jul 24, 2009
       

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1465 » by Parliament10 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:15 pm

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:
ddb wrote:
Wow. that was mean. Wife and 5 year old son had headache, cough, low grade temperature for a couple days over the holiday. We were secluded in the mountains away from people so it didn't matter. I felt tired and weak for a few days. Little cough too. all back to 100% already. back home now. I'm guessing it was the winter of death we escaped.


All your post demonstrated was the following:
1. You & your family were incredibly lucky having mild cases the second time around. God even protects morons sometimes, DDB.
2. Thank goodness you did not have a chance to infect others. There are still ~1500 people who are dying every day - the vast majority of them unvaccinated & a much smaller number of whom are vaccinated & in a vulnerable risk group (in conjunction with ~230K new cases every day). The vast majority of the vaccinated & vulnerable who become infected suffer mild cases because of the miracle of these beyond overwhelmingly safe vaccines.
3. Nothing you anecdotally reported changes 1 word of what I have posted countless times in these threads (included my recent summary above) - supported by real medical science & in agreement with 99% of the smartest epidemiologists, ID docs, & virologists on the planet.
4. Your comment also serves to further emphasize how **** ignorant, stupid, callous & selfish you are.

In a few words - you are a disgrace to humanity & **** you to kingdom come.


You’re a scumbag. Don’t give a F what your “credentials” are. Regardless, you’re a prick. Scum. Can go on and on about the way you speak to people. All I did was post statistics from a legitimate source. One you don’t like therefor can wish death on me and call me all sorts of names. The cycle continues.

I’m pure blood and not fooled by the so called experts. Sorry I’m not brainwashed.

This is NOT necessary. -- And it's way off the Scope of this Thread.
I'm Banning people for Excessive Personal Attacks.

Also, this Comment came after I paused this Thread.


BANNED

~ Parl
"You have to put the work in.
Nothing is given."

~ Jayson Tatum
User avatar
Parliament10
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 50,753
And1: 59,630
Joined: Jul 24, 2009
       

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1466 » by Parliament10 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:22 pm

exculpatory wrote:From this point on, my posts will be solely directed to the many amongst you who want to learn true Covid science, & appreciate my time & effort.
I am going to do everything I can to ignore the dangerous & unsubstantiated disinformation posted by a few.

https://apple.news/ABv-NnvHfQAm92W1aShw1RQ

Good News & Bad News

Vaccinations & boosting have made an enormous difference.

Those with three shots who get infected seem to suffer just a bad sore throat and some fatigue and muscle pain for a few days, Dr. Craig Spencer, an emergency room physician in New York City, said Monday in a Twitter thread.
People who've had two shots get somewhat worse symptoms.
"More fatigued. More fever. More coughing. A little more miserable overall," he wrote.
Those who've had just one shot, he said, fared worse, feeling horrible for a number of days: "Not great, but not life-threatening."

Virtually all of those who have to be admitted to the hospital for COVID-19 are unvaccinated, said Spencer, who works at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center: "Every one with profound shortness of breath. Every one whose oxygen dropped when they walked. Every one needing oxygen to breathe regularly."

The one exception are those whose immune systems are weak, perhaps because of medication or old age. 
"The immunocompromised, the elderly and people who are particularly frail – there we have to be careful," said Dr. Rajesh Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital. "That's an important group that despite vaccination haven't been fully protected."

Although researchers believe omicron may be less dangerous than previous variants, because it's so contagious, it may still land just as many or more people in the hospital, said Jeremy Luban, an infectious disease expert at the UMass Chan Medical School in Worcester, Massachusetts.


That means a return to the days of trying to "flatten the curve" to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, said Luban and Jacob Lemieux, an infectious disease expert at Mass. General

To Ex: Thank You, For sticking to the Subject Matter.

To All: Understanding that this Thread has varying Opinions in it.
However, If I see Excessive Personal Attacks, you'll be Banned.

Stick to the Subject Matter
.

~ Parl
"You have to put the work in.
Nothing is given."

~ Jayson Tatum
pac213up
General Manager
Posts: 8,582
And1: 4,216
Joined: Jul 11, 2006

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1467 » by pac213up » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:50 pm

djFan71 wrote:
ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:Sorry or actually not sorry.
Unless unavoidable, I am not reading your dangerous disinformation any longer.


Stand 6ft apart. Wear a mask. Quarantine for 14 days
Get vaccinated. Don’t have to wear a mask if vaccinated. Quarantine for 10 days. Get booster. Wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Quarantine for 5 days

THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Just blind followers & order takers. Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters

Science changes as new facts come in and conditions change.


The messaging on this has hurt, especially early on. I just don't understand what people expect from "science" when they are dealing with a mutating virus in real time. The number of dead would have been significantly higher if it was 20 years ago. Science has done an incredible job dealing with this situation IMO.
User avatar
Ed Pinkney
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,048
And1: 5,186
Joined: Jun 23, 2007
Location: Australia
 

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1468 » by Ed Pinkney » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:13 am

Parliament10 wrote:
To Ex: Thank You, For sticking to the Subject Matter.

To All: Understanding that this Thread has varying Opinions in it.
However, If I see Excessive Personal Attacks, you'll be Banned.

Stick to the Subject Matter
.

~ Parl





Sorry if this seems like back seat modding, but banning ddb at this stage of this thread, after how much has already been posted, is ridiculous.

I disagree with pretty much every single word ddb has posted in this thread, but he has received significantly more personal abuse than he has given out.
exculpatory
RealGM
Posts: 15,195
And1: 11,386
Joined: Nov 10, 2008

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1469 » by exculpatory » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:57 am

pac213up wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
ddb wrote:
Stand 6ft apart. Wear a mask. Quarantine for 14 days
Get vaccinated. Don’t have to wear a mask if vaccinated. Quarantine for 10 days. Get booster. Wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Quarantine for 5 days

THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Just blind followers & order takers. Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters

Science changes as new facts come in and conditions change.


1. The messaging on this has hurt, especially early on.

2. I just don't understand what people expect from "science" when they are dealing with a mutating virus in real time.

3. The number of dead would have been significantly higher if it was 20 years ago.

4. Science has done an incredible job dealing with this situation IMO.


Outstanding post.

1. In fact, the messaging was quite harmful during CY 2020. And it continues to be in certain parts of the country. It has resulted in many many deaths.

2. Precisely. Recommendations evolve as data accumulates & the peer reviewed science is published.

3. Absolutely. Conservatively estimated, we would have 750K to 1 million MORE dead Americans - if not for the miraculous efficacy & safety of the vaccines & the therapeutic advances.

4. Without a doubt. I stand in awe of those doing the basic & clinical research, & those docs on the front lines - such as our own Mr. Loggins. We owe them big time.
SamIam 2010: Truth's ability to play so incredibly efficiently is so UNDERAPPRECIATED. Bballcool 2012: Amazing how great Pierce has been for so long. Continues to defy age! KG 2013: P is original Celtic. Wherever he goes, we go. This is The Truth's house.
celtics792244
Rookie
Posts: 1,061
And1: 839
Joined: Sep 12, 2007

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1470 » by celtics792244 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:17 am

Ed Pinkney wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
To Ex: Thank You, For sticking to the Subject Matter.

To All: Understanding that this Thread has varying Opinions in it.
However, If I see Excessive Personal Attacks, you'll be Banned.

Stick to the Subject Matter
.

~ Parl





Sorry if this seems like back seat modding, but banning ddb at this stage of this thread, after how much has already been posted, is ridiculous.

I disagree with pretty much every single word ddb has posted in this thread, but he has received significantly more personal abuse than he has given out.


+1000
MUCH MORE severe personal abuse went his way.
celtics543
Analyst
Posts: 3,181
And1: 3,210
Joined: Dec 29, 2004
       

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1471 » by celtics543 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:42 am

celtics792244 wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
To Ex: Thank You, For sticking to the Subject Matter.

To All: Understanding that this Thread has varying Opinions in it.
However, If I see Excessive Personal Attacks, you'll be Banned.

Stick to the Subject Matter
.

~ Parl





Sorry if this seems like back seat modding, but banning ddb at this stage of this thread, after how much has already been posted, is ridiculous.

I disagree with pretty much every single word ddb has posted in this thread, but he has received significantly more personal abuse than he has given out.


+1000
MUCH MORE severe personal abuse went his way.


I agree with Ed. I don't believe or endorse anything DDB said but he has been the victim of WAY more personal attacks in this thread than anyone else. By all means ban him but if he's being banned then a lot of other people should be going with him. Just my two cents and I apologize for the backseat modding. You guys do a great job but this seemed a little unfair.

Ex has been great for information in this thread but if you read his 4th point and the line below, I'm not sure how that's not way more inflammatory and way more of a personal attack than anything DDB said in his post below it.
MagicBagley18
RealGM
Posts: 14,831
And1: 20,333
Joined: Feb 15, 2019
   

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1472 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 3:02 am

How the hell you gonna have a mod (basically 1 guy) come in here now and try and police this thread lol......the gloves are off already. Let it ride.
Dangit
Starter
Posts: 2,197
And1: 2,114
Joined: Mar 01, 2005
     

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1473 » by Dangit » Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:01 am

Why would we ban one user and not the other ?
When the other seems to attack twice as much ?
That seems odd ?


I understand only certain political views are ok ... but this seems really weird ?
Postby YouthMovement on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:09 pm

im 19 and i can say paul pierce ruined my childhood
User avatar
Bad-Thoma
Head Coach
Posts: 7,110
And1: 9,846
Joined: Feb 22, 2006
Location: Still riding proud on the C's bandwagon

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1474 » by Bad-Thoma » Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:15 am

ddb wrote:
exculpatory wrote:Sorry or actually not sorry.
Unless unavoidable, I am not reading your dangerous disinformation any longer.


Stand 6ft apart. Wear a mask. Quarantine for 14 days
Get vaccinated. Don’t have to wear a mask if vaccinated. Quarantine for 10 days. Get booster. Wear a mask if you are vaccinated. Quarantine for 5 days

THERE IS NO SCIENCE. Just blind followers & order takers. Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters


Image
User avatar
SichtingLives
RealGM
Posts: 40,893
And1: 25,460
Joined: Mar 25, 2009

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1475 » by SichtingLives » Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:28 am

10 miles through the snow uphill both ways
User avatar
Bad-Thoma
Head Coach
Posts: 7,110
And1: 9,846
Joined: Feb 22, 2006
Location: Still riding proud on the C's bandwagon

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1476 » by Bad-Thoma » Wed Dec 29, 2021 4:30 am

SichtingLives wrote:


I'd give you multiple and1s if I could for that reference
exculpatory
RealGM
Posts: 15,195
And1: 11,386
Joined: Nov 10, 2008

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1477 » by exculpatory » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:34 am

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/964431

Vaccine Protection Drops Against Omicron, Making Boosters Crucial - ESPECIALLY IN THE ELDERLY & HIGH RISK GROUPS

Editor's note: Find the latest COVID-19 news and guidance in Medscape's Coronavirus Resource Center.

A raft of new studies that looked at the ability of Omicron to evade an array of currently available vaccines, suggest a substantial loss of protection against the highly mutated Omicron
variant.

The new studies, from teams of researchers in Germany, South Africa, Sweden, and the drug company Pfizer, showed 25 to 40-fold drops in the ability of antibodies created by two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to neutralize the virus.

But there seemed to be a bright spot in the studies too.
The virus didn't completely escape the immunity from the vaccines, and giving a third, booster dose appeared to restore antibodies to a level that's been associated with protection against variants in the past - IN THE SHORT TERM.


IN THE LONG TERM, a third booster dose may not protect as well.
Ciesek and her team exposed Omicron viruses to the antibodies of volunteers who had been boosted with the Pfizer vaccine 3 months prior.
She also compared the results to what happened to those same 3-month antibody levels against Delta variant viruses. She found only a 25% neutralization of Omicron compared with a 95% neutralization of Delta. That represented about a 37-fold reduction in the ability of the antibodies to neutralize Omicron vs Delta.

Israel & most recently the UK ALSO reported a diminished effect of a third booster dose over time.

https://apple.news/ART3ST8BOQ12wma-G1hJStQ

Recipients of three Pfizer doses started with 70 percent effectiveness against Omicron one week after the booster. That protection dropped to 45 percent after 10 weeks. Those who were initially double-dosed with Pfizer, but then received a Moderna booster, stayed at around 75 percent effectiveness at up to nine weeks post-booster administration.

The authors of the report note that these statistics refer to symptomatic disease only—booster shot protection against severe disease and hospitalization is likely higher and longer lasting.


CONSEQUENTLY, multiple countries including Israel, are evaluating a FOURTH booster dose for people >60 & in high risk groups. In addition, Pfizer & Moderna are working around the clock to tweak their vaccines so that they are more efficacious VS Omicron for a longer period of time - in order to be prepared.

At the end of the day:
1. Vaccines have miraculously saved close to a million American lives to date.
2. Vaccines are not perfect & until a universally & indefinitely effective vaccine is developed, boosting of current vaccines +/- tweaking of current vaccines will be necessary.
3. Until the dangerously uninformed & despicably irresponsible tens of millions get vaccinated & cease being the primary transmitters of Covid, this evil pandemic will likely go on and on with worse & worse variants evolving over time.


PS This has NEVER EVER EVER been about politics for me. It is & has always been about excellence in medicine - to which I have dedicated my career & life. Avoid being influenced by the despicable disinformation out there in the media & online - including the unsubstantiated & dangerous garbage posted by a few people on this board. I will no longer be responding to them here in this thread - either politely & patiently as I used to in earlier threads or profanely as I have of late when my frustration boiled over. Good luck!

PPS AND, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, I AM EONS FAR FROM THE SO CALLED BRAINWASHED SHEEPLE WHO GET THEIR INFORMATION FROM HAIR ON FIRE LIBERAL COMMENTATORS. RATHER, I GET MY INFORMATION FROM THE ORIGINAL PEER REVIEWED LITERATURE PUBLISHED BY 99% OF THE SMARTEST EPIDEMIOLOGISTS, INFECTIOUS DISEASE PHYSICIANS & VIROLOGISTS ON PLANET EARTH.
SamIam 2010: Truth's ability to play so incredibly efficiently is so UNDERAPPRECIATED. Bballcool 2012: Amazing how great Pierce has been for so long. Continues to defy age! KG 2013: P is original Celtic. Wherever he goes, we go. This is The Truth's house.
exculpatory
RealGM
Posts: 15,195
And1: 11,386
Joined: Nov 10, 2008

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants 

Post#1478 » by exculpatory » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:06 pm

And more - GET BOOSTERED & VACCINATED

https://apple.news/A82GcteuqQG2NH6IdkI2Fdw

Front-line physicians describe how vaccination affects patients in latest Covid wave

Physicians around the country facing the latest surge of Covid-19 cases, driven by the highly contagious omicron variant, have a straightforward message based on what they're seeing in their emergency rooms: vaccination is tied to a patient's symptoms.

“The general trend that I’m seeing is, if you’re boosted and you get Covid, you really just at worst end up with bad cold symptoms. It’s not like before where you were coughing, couldn’t say sentences and were short of breath,” said Dr. Matthew Bai, an emergency medicine physician at Mount Sinai Queens in New York City.

“There are obviously exceptions like if you start out with a very weakened immune system, your immune response won’t be as strong with a booster. But in your average person, a booster’s definitely going to make a difference is what I’m seeing,” he said.

Dr. Joseph Varon, chief of critical care services and the Covid-19 unit at Houston’s United Memorial Medical Center, said of the roughly 50 patients admitted to the hospital’s Covid unit in the last four weeks, 100 percent of them were unvaccinated.

He said patients who needed to be admitted typically have “shortness of breath, high fevers, being dehydrated like crazy.” He said those who are unvaccinated also “have more illness. What I mean by more illness is more pneumonia, not just a little bit of pneumonia, you have a lot of pneumonia.”

“The people that are coming in unvaccinated have a much larger burden of illness in the lungs than those who are vaccinated,” he said.

Meanwhile, those who had received the booster shot were “almost back to normal” within several days, he said. Those who had not received the booster have tended to “still feel sick after a week, a week and a half or so,” he added.

Patients who have received the booster shot may still have symptoms such as a sore throat, a lot of fatigue and muscle pain, said Dr. Craig Spencer, director of global health in emergency medicine at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center.

Those who are vaccinated but have not got the booster “looked worse, they looked like they felt pretty darn bad. But, again, they didn’t need to be hospitalized,” he said.

"I’m not seeing people who have got two doses and a booster and are coming in profoundly short of breath," he said. "It’s just not happening."

Those who are vaccinated but have not got a booster have shown symptoms such as more coughing, more fever and more fatigue than those who had received a booster, he said.

Meanwhile, Spencer said almost every single patient he has seen who needed to be admitted was unvaccinated.
.

These are the people who are primarily spreading this awful curse to mankind.

“We’ve known that there are multiple presentations of this disease, that hasn’t changed. What has changed is that we know that those who are vaccinated are significantly less likely to end up seeing me in the hospital and needing to be admitted. That’s for certain,” he said.

The new omicron variant continues to spread rapidly in the United States, making up about 58 percent of all new Covid cases for the week ending Dec. 25, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Early evidence suggests that for most people, at least for those who are up to date on their Covid vaccines, omicron appears less likely to cause severe illness.

LISTEN UP, PEOPLE!
SamIam 2010: Truth's ability to play so incredibly efficiently is so UNDERAPPRECIATED. Bballcool 2012: Amazing how great Pierce has been for so long. Continues to defy age! KG 2013: P is original Celtic. Wherever he goes, we go. This is The Truth's house.
Mr Loggins
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,150
And1: 2,494
Joined: Jul 22, 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1479 » by Mr Loggins » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:12 pm

ddb wrote: Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters



don't forget the threat the unvaccinated pose to ICU capacity and healthcare worker burnout (among a plethora of other things you missed)
exculpatory
RealGM
Posts: 15,195
And1: 11,386
Joined: Nov 10, 2008

Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1480 » by exculpatory » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:19 pm

Mr Loggins wrote:
ddb wrote: Unvaccinated aren’t a threat to your health. We are a threat to the puppet masters



Dont forget the threat the unvaccinated pose to ICU capacity and healthcare worker burnout (among a plethora of other things you missed)


Mr Loggins.

He is not worthy of a response from someone phenomenal like you.

Ignore him.
SamIam 2010: Truth's ability to play so incredibly efficiently is so UNDERAPPRECIATED. Bballcool 2012: Amazing how great Pierce has been for so long. Continues to defy age! KG 2013: P is original Celtic. Wherever he goes, we go. This is The Truth's house.

Return to Boston Celtics