2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[yoyoboy]

Garland possibly missing 10 days is gonna hurt his All-Star campaign a bit I think. Hopefully Cavs keep winning so no one notices lol.

Still think Allen deserves it more but frontcourt is much tougher I feel.

This Cavs team goes as Garland goes imo. He's just more important to the success of the team than Allen is. No surprise he ranks 4th in the NBA in RAPM this season.

Garland ON, Allen OFF:
114.8 ORTG
103.8 DRTG
+11.0 Net

Garland ON, Mobley OFF:
118.1 ORTG
103.9 DRTG
+14.2 Net

Garland ON, Mobley and Allen OFF:
116.6 ORTG
101.5 DRTG
+11.1 Net

Allen ON, Garland OFF:
102.9 ORTG
106.1 DRTG
-3.2 Net

Allen ON, Mobley OFF:
115.8 ORTG
108.6 DRTG
+7.2 Net

Allen ON, Garland and Mobley OFF:
110.3 ORTG
112.9 DRTG
-2.6 Net

Mobley ON, Garland OFF:
96.1 ORTG
96.6 DRTG
-0.5 Net

Mobley ON, Allen OFF:
108.1 ORTG
102.6 DRTG
+5.5 Net

Mobley ON, Garland and Allen OFF:
99.6 ORTG
96.6 DRTG
+3.0 Net

Allen and Mobley ON, Garland OFF:
92.5 ORTG
96.5 DRTG
-4.0 Net

Allen and Garland ON, Mobley OFF:
119.3 ORTG
105.8 DRTG
+13.5 Net

Mobley and Garland ON, Allen OFF:
113.0 ORTG
106.0 DRTG
+7.0 Net

Allen, Mobley, and Garland ON:
111.0 ORTG
98.8 DRTG
+12.0 Net

And this is all while taking into account that Rubio has played in 95% of the 256 minutes Allen has been on the floor without Garland and 90% of the 221 minutes Mobley has been on the floor without Garland, so it's not like Allen and Mobley don't have a great PG option to work with during those stretches. Garland's off the dribble shooting, off ball movement, penetration and lob throwing ability, and even directing on defense are so critical to this team's success this season. He's clearly our most valuable player this season, and that's despite the fact that I still think Allen deserves a spot on the All Star team as well. I have a feeling we're going to look a lot worse these next 4 games without him, but I hope I'm wrong because it would suck to fall in the standings significantly.

[HardenandWilt]

damn curry getting exposed without draymond, lot of harder to make shots when you have to bring the ball up every play( being guarded full court)

draymond is the quarterback of the defense( which is the main reason why the warriors were winning)

[HardenandWilt]

jokic is the mvp, if he doesnt win it this year, their needs to be an overhaul on the voting process( and the winner should be computer generated).. Too many media members are straight fanboys

[Doctor MJ]

i come a bit late to the ja discussion but i think you guys overreacted to a small sample

i was reading ben Taylor write up on magic johnson mas there was a prime season where lakers played better without him playing, which obviously doesnt mean magic was holding them back

small sample like that can lead to wacky stuff unless is a pattern,if Memphis inproving without ja becomes a common occcurence then it may be signofocative

right now i would see it as noise

I think it's fine to hold off in evaluation until you see more sample size, but if this is "noise", are you saying there's a signal somewhere? We're not talking about looking back on a career where almost everything is positive and there's a small bit of negative, we're talking about a guy who's never been an all-star.

[RCM88x]

Cavs season is probably over if Rubio is out for the year. Roster is really reliant of PnR creation and good setups by Rubio and Garland. Garland can't be the only guy on the team who can shoot off the dribble and make and entry pass.

[Doctor MJ]

Who are folks thinking for Allstar bids as of now?

So, I think my pick, that probably won't get chosen, right off the bat is Mikal Bridges. To me when you're the guy the team is riding minutes-wise, and the team is doing particularly well when you're on the court, it's really important for us not to dismiss your value in the name of you being a mere "role player".

[falcolombardi]

i come a bit late to the ja discussion but i think you guys overreacted to a small sample

i was reading ben Taylor write up on magic johnson mas there was a prime season where lakers played better without him playing, which obviously doesnt mean magic was holding them back

small sample like that can lead to wacky stuff unless is a pattern,if Memphis inproving without ja becomes a common occcurence then it may be signofocative

right now i would see it as noise

I think it's fine to hold off in evaluation until you see more sample size, but if this is "noise", are you saying there's a signal somewhere? We're not talking about looking back on a career where almost everything is positive and there's a small bit of negative, we're talking about a guy who's never been an all-star.

my use of the word noise was basically "data point thst is too small sample size(or unreliable) to be given weight" which may be different to how everyone else uses the term

like lukathegoat pointed out how unusually hot teams have been shootting against memphis since ja came back which may be mere bad luck rather than caused by him for example

that is why unless this pattern happens more than once or frequently i wouldnt give it much importancd yet

[eminence]

I want Iguodala!

But seriously I liked that last play. Pretty interesting game overall, a tale of two halves for sure.

[GSP]

Garland possibly missing 10 days is gonna hurt his All-Star campaign a bit I think. Hopefully Cavs keep winning so no one notices lol.

Still think Allen deserves it more but frontcourt is much tougher I feel.

This Cavs team goes as Garland goes imo. He's just more important to the success of the team than Allen is. No surprise he ranks 4th in the NBA in RAPM this season.

Garland ON, Allen OFF:
114.8 ORTG
103.8 DRTG
+11.0 Net

Garland ON, Mobley OFF:
118.1 ORTG
103.9 DRTG
+14.2 Net

Garland ON, Mobley and Allen OFF:
116.6 ORTG
101.5 DRTG
+11.1 Net

Allen ON, Garland OFF:
102.9 ORTG
106.1 DRTG
-3.2 Net

Allen ON, Mobley OFF:
115.8 ORTG
108.6 DRTG
+7.2 Net

Allen ON, Garland and Mobley OFF:
110.3 ORTG
112.9 DRTG
-2.6 Net

Mobley ON, Garland OFF:
96.1 ORTG
96.6 DRTG
-0.5 Net

Mobley ON, Allen OFF:
108.1 ORTG
102.6 DRTG
+5.5 Net

Mobley ON, Garland and Allen OFF:
99.6 ORTG
96.6 DRTG
+3.0 Net

Allen and Mobley ON, Garland OFF:
92.5 ORTG
96.5 DRTG
-4.0 Net

Allen and Garland ON, Mobley OFF:
119.3 ORTG
105.8 DRTG
+13.5 Net

Mobley and Garland ON, Allen OFF:
113.0 ORTG
106.0 DRTG
+7.0 Net

Allen, Mobley, and Garland ON:
111.0 ORTG
98.8 DRTG
+12.0 Net

And this is all while taking into account that Rubio has played in 95% of the 256 minutes Allen has been on the floor without Garland and 90% of the 221 minutes Mobley has been on the floor without Garland, so it's not like Allen and Mobley don't have a great PG option to work with during those stretches. Garland's off the dribble shooting, off ball movement, penetration and lob throwing ability, and even directing on defense are so critical to this team's success this season. He's clearly our most valuable player this season, and that's despite the fact that I still think Allen deserves a spot on the All Star team as well. I have a feeling we're going to look a lot worse these next 4 games without him, but I hope I'm wrong because it would suck to fall in the standings significantly.

How would you rank the Cavs players from best to worst not just those 3 but their whole rotation

[GSP]

Garland possibly missing 10 days is gonna hurt his All-Star campaign a bit I think. Hopefully Cavs keep winning so no one notices lol.

Still think Allen deserves it more but frontcourt is much tougher I feel.

This Cavs team goes as Garland goes imo. He's just more important to the success of the team than Allen is. No surprise he ranks 4th in the NBA in RAPM this season.

Garland ON, Allen OFF:
114.8 ORTG
103.8 DRTG
+11.0 Net

Garland ON, Mobley OFF:
118.1 ORTG
103.9 DRTG
+14.2 Net

Garland ON, Mobley and Allen OFF:
116.6 ORTG
101.5 DRTG
+11.1 Net

Allen ON, Garland OFF:
102.9 ORTG
106.1 DRTG
-3.2 Net

Allen ON, Mobley OFF:
115.8 ORTG
108.6 DRTG
+7.2 Net

Allen ON, Garland and Mobley OFF:
110.3 ORTG
112.9 DRTG
-2.6 Net

Mobley ON, Garland OFF:
96.1 ORTG
96.6 DRTG
-0.5 Net

Mobley ON, Allen OFF:
108.1 ORTG
102.6 DRTG
+5.5 Net

Mobley ON, Garland and Allen OFF:
99.6 ORTG
96.6 DRTG
+3.0 Net

Allen and Mobley ON, Garland OFF:
92.5 ORTG
96.5 DRTG
-4.0 Net

Allen and Garland ON, Mobley OFF:
119.3 ORTG
105.8 DRTG
+13.5 Net

Mobley and Garland ON, Allen OFF:
113.0 ORTG
106.0 DRTG
+7.0 Net

Allen, Mobley, and Garland ON:
111.0 ORTG
98.8 DRTG
+12.0 Net

And this is all while taking into account that Rubio has played in 95% of the 256 minutes Allen has been on the floor without Garland and 90% of the 221 minutes Mobley has been on the floor without Garland, so it's not like Allen and Mobley don't have a great PG option to work with during those stretches. Garland's off the dribble shooting, off ball movement, penetration and lob throwing ability, and even directing on defense are so critical to this team's success this season. He's clearly our most valuable player this season, and that's despite the fact that I still think Allen deserves a spot on the All Star team as well. I have a feeling we're going to look a lot worse these next 4 games without him, but I hope I'm wrong because it would suck to fall in the standings significantly.

How would you rank the Cavs players from best to worst not just those 3 but their whole rotation

[yoyoboy]

How would you rank the Cavs players from best to worst not just those 3 but their whole rotation

1. Garland
2. Allen
3. Mobley
4. Rubio
5. Love
6. Osman
7. Markkanen
8. Okoro
9. Wade
10. Stevens
11. Valentine

If we’re talking importance though, then Rubio gets bumped up to number 2. Like another poster just said, this team was so reliant on the creation from the PGs. Not only that but Rubio playing alongside Garland was such a deadly combination for us as it allowed Garland to thrive off the ball half the time. And his veteran leadership and role in Love’s resurgence this year can’t be understated.

With it looking like Rubio tore his ACL, I really think our season is done now. Just super devastating stuff.

[parsnips33]

I want Iguodala!

But seriously I liked that last play. Pretty interesting game overall, a tale of two halves for sure.

I was at the game! Super exciting after a hideous first half by the Warriors, Chase Center got extremely loud in the 4th quarter, reminded me of Oracle

Also seeing Jokic in person was a treat. Somebody that huge should not be that skilled

[eminence]

Man, I'm pissed Ricky is hurt.

[falcolombardi]

at the pace his post prime is going i am half expecting 40 years old lebron to average 20/5/5 in +4 ts%

just impressive how well his offensive game is aging despite a still merely decent jumpshooting ability

[GSP]

Carlisle has been getting exposed IMO. Indiana being 13 seed in East is insane..... Alot of close losses which margins in coaching shows in and he doesnt have a clutch god in Dirk to bail him out now. Luka soured on him fast and now alot of Pacers want out like Myles and Sabonis. His disciplinary style isnt good for development or young rosters

[feyki]

Seems like Harden and Lebron are on the mvp level, again.

[Statlanta]

I don't think Carlisle has been exposed, relying on Eastern conference players when your competition is stealing Western Conference talent has left several teams(Toronto, Indiana, Boston, New York, Atlanta) exposed.

[penbeast0]

How would you rank the Cavs players from best to worst not just those 3 but their whole rotation

1. Garland
2. Allen
3. Mobley
4. Rubio
5. Love
6. Osman
7. Markkanen
8. Okoro
9. Wade
10. Stevens
11. Valentine

If we’re talking importance though, then Rubio gets bumped up to number 2. Like another poster just said, this team was so reliant on the creation from the PGs. Not only that but Rubio playing alongside Garland was such a deadly combination for us as it allowed Garland to thrive off the ball half the time. And his veteran leadership and role in Love’s resurgence this year can’t be understated.

With it looking like Rubio tore his ACL, I really think our season is done now. Just super devastating stuff.

No Sexton?

[RCM88x]

How would you rank the Cavs players from best to worst not just those 3 but their whole rotation

1. Garland
2. Allen
3. Mobley
4. Rubio
5. Love
6. Osman
7. Markkanen
8. Okoro
9. Wade
10. Stevens
11. Valentine

If we’re talking importance though, then Rubio gets bumped up to number 2. Like another poster just said, this team was so reliant on the creation from the PGs. Not only that but Rubio playing alongside Garland was such a deadly combination for us as it allowed Garland to thrive off the ball half the time. And his veteran leadership and role in Love’s resurgence this year can’t be understated.

With it looking like Rubio tore his ACL, I really think our season is done now. Just super devastating stuff.

No Sexton?

Since he basically hasn't played this year it's hard to say, but if he was healthy I'd probably put him around 7th or 8th.

His skillet/mentality just doesn't work for team play and he's not good enough to justify building a system around him.

[MisterHibachi]

Curry's scoring diversity seems to have taken a significant dive this year.

66% (!!!) of his shots have come from 3 this year, by far a career high. Last year it was 59%, and his career high before this year was 60% in 2019. Obviously this means a career low attempts from 2pt range.

13% of his shots at the rim, lowest since 2013, and only shooting 59% on them, close to a career low and lowest since 2013.

He's essentially relying just on the 3 to score this year, and he's Steph Curry so it still works but some signs of decline here imo. He really needs Klay to come back to carry some of the scoring load.