Joel: unchained.

[eyeatoma]

It does not really matter on who’s better between the two for being better or worse does not mean you are or aren’t gonna win the championship.

But Jokic is better than Jojo right? Not just this year but including last season.

And this season he just went into another level, he possibly have the best or atleast top 3-5 defensive numbers along with arguably best offensive numbers based on RAPTOR and BPM.

Jokic also is a lot more consistent and durable than Jojo.

No, he's not.

Not the same class as a defender despite this year's numbers and but as potent a scorer. Embiid also has won more on the court with his team than Jokic has. Only thing Joker has on him is passing and health.

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Im never been a Jokic fan. But Jokic is posting GOAT level numbers this season. On both ends. Better than 15-16 Curry, as per 538’s RAPTOR.

Jokic’s always been a bad to average defender. But he’s been ELITE this season. Yes, i also couldnt believe it as im typing it right now.

And if we both aren’t buying that his defense is legit, his offense has always been one of the top in the league. Just as good or very near as good as scoring compared to Embiid (25-26ppg on just 18FGA with better % across the board) while clearly making the team better with GOAT level passing.

Im not putting down Embiid. I just want to give credit where credit is due.

And availability and consistency also plays a big part. For instance, if Embiid is an ironman, I think we wouldnt need another top tier player for Embiid to play with that much. But because Embiid’s availability is an issue, we need someone who can take over games when he randomly does not play or whenever he plays but looks sluggish.

I just watched some of Joker's highlights and he plays like he's drunk. That's not a diss, just that he is awkward in his movements and shots. Still an offensive savant though. Only thing that looks natural is his passing. Embiid also is a savant but he also seems seems far more controlled and dynamic as a scorer.

I said this on the GB thread. If he was having a GOAT season they wouldn't be a .500 team. We are far more poorly constructed and Embiid does a better carry job. Just look at the numbers when Embiid doesn't play. This team is better than .500 with Embiid. I forgot what it was but we're 6 or 7 games over .500 while Jokic who has played almost all the games has a team that is exactly .500.

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[76ciology]

No, he's not.

Not the same class as a defender despite this year's numbers and but as potent a scorer. Embiid also has won more on the court with his team than Jokic has. Only thing Joker has on him is passing and health.

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Im never been a Jokic fan. But Jokic is posting GOAT level numbers this season. On both ends. Better than 15-16 Curry, as per 538’s RAPTOR.

Jokic’s always been a bad to average defender. But he’s been ELITE this season. Yes, i also couldnt believe it as im typing it right now.

And if we both aren’t buying that his defense is legit, his offense has always been one of the top in the league. Just as good or very near as good as scoring compared to Embiid (25-26ppg on just 18FGA with better % across the board) while clearly making the team better with GOAT level passing.

Im not putting down Embiid. I just want to give credit where credit is due.

And availability and consistency also plays a big part. For instance, if Embiid is an ironman, I think we wouldnt need another top tier player for Embiid to play with that much. But because Embiid’s availability is an issue, we need someone who can take over games when he randomly does not play or whenever he plays but looks sluggish.

I just watched some of Joker's highlights and he plays like he's drunk. That's not a diss, just that he is at awkward in his movements and shots. Only thing that looks natural is his passing. Embiid on the other hand seems far more controlled and dynamic as a scorer.

I also said this on the GB thread. If be was having a GOAT season they wouldn't be a .500 team. We are far more poorly constructed.

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Yeah. Actually i thought Joker was far better scorer because of his %s. But seems like Embiid is still better on scoring.

This league has made defense a joke, you can’t really just challenge every shot and you have to be selective and read actions before it happens. And right now i think Jokic has learned how to do that. There are some plays where he literally look like Okafor but there are some plays where he was like prime Marc Gasol.

I dont think players around him plays a factor. I think Jokic would also be just as good if he plays for this team while other guys will benefit from playing with Jokic.

Im just appreciating greatness and not throwing Biid under the bus or anything. It all started when i was surprised with Jokic’s numbers this season

[76ciology]

If there’s anything I learn from this Ben experience, its the importance of having a non-bias evaluation of our guys.

The very nutshell evaluation of him for me is he is an MVP caliber player around half of the time while on around the other half, you just dont know what you are gonna get. And its a problematic situation in a playoff environment where every game counts.

Which version of Embiid will you get in a game 7?

I think what differentiates him for other top players is there’s less variance to it. Like there’s like 90+% chance that you’ll get KD, Steph or Giannis you know every game. As inconsistent Iverson was back then, Embiid’s performance and availability has a higher variance IMO.

So with that said, building around Embiid is not merely just surrounding him with the right players. No, you can’t build around him like how you build around Duncan or Dirk where you can build a collective approach and have a franchise player carry your team.

Its non negotiable that Embiid has to play with a star as big or even preferably bigger than him, with a group of guys who can be better than they are by playing collectively. Whereas if Embiid goes MIA, you still can compete at a high level and give yourself a shot in any game 7.

[eyeatoma]

If there’s anything I learn from this Ben experience, its the importance of having a non-bias evaluation of our guys.

The very nutshell evaluation of him for me is he is an MVP caliber player around half of the time while on around the other half, you just dont know what you are gonna get. And its a problematic situation in a playoff environment where every game counts.

Which version of Embiid will you get in a game 7?

I think what differentiates him for other top players is there’s less variance to it. Like there’s like 90+% chance that you’ll get KD, Steph or Giannis you know every game. As inconsistent Iverson was back then, Embiid’s performance and availability has a higher variance IMO.

So with that said, building around Embiid is not merely just surrounding him with the right players. No, you can’t build around him like how you build around Duncan or Dirk where you can build a collective approach and have a franchise player carry your team.

Its non negotiable that Embiid has to play with a star as big or even preferably bigger than him, with a group of guys who can be better than they are by playing collectively. Whereas if Embiid goes MIA, you still can compete at a high level and give yourself a shot in any game 7.

It's because he's injured. When he's not he's fine. But yes he is an MVP player with an asterisk and still very much worth building your team around because he is one of 5-7 players that can win you a title.

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[mjkvol]

A lot of thing had to go right for the bucks in playoffs. KD foot on the 3 point line PLUS kyrie injured PLUS harden hobbling around. That’s just to get out of the second round.

Same can be said for Toronto. What are the odds of both Durant and Thompson going down?

That too. Lakers Disney chip as well.

Oh, no doubt. Couldn't watch the "bubble" games, that entire charade seemed arranged to get James a chip.

[mjkvol]

its almost as if luck plays a role and just being in the mix works

Luck always plays a role, especially regarding health, but it is a necessity when the winner isn't a great team (Bucks, Raptors, Lakers).

Health (both your own and key opponents going down), upsets creating favorable matchups, good teams having down years, critical calls, odd bounces, etc. - those all played a huge part for the last three championship teams.

[erving4ever]

Question for this morning. Who do you think has the better active roster if you subtract Embiid and Jokic, Den or Philly? I ask because Philly and Den have very similar records and your judgement on who has the better active roster has implications on who the better player is between Jokic and Embiid. Am I correct?

For reference, when Embiid plays, the 76ers are 14-8. Thats a 63% mark and that would currently be 3rd in the East. Meanwhile, Den is 16-16, but Joker has also missed some games, I believe.

[Tomjas]

Question for this morning. Who do you think has the better active roster if you subtract Embiid and Jokic, Den or Philly? I ask because Philly and Den have very similar records and your judgement on who has the better active roster has implications on who the better player is between Jokic and Embiid. Am I correct?

For reference, when Embiid plays, the 76ers are 14-8. Thats a 63% mark and that would currently be 3rd in the East. Meanwhile, Den is 16-16, but Joker has also missed some games, I believe.

Denver roster blows

Whether we like it or not, Harris is a max player

Jokic has nobody

He & LeBron should be miles ahead in the mvp race

[eyeatoma]

Question for this morning. Who do you think has the better active roster if you subtract Embiid and Jokic, Den or Philly? I ask because Philly and Den have very similar records and your judgement on who has the better active roster has implications on who the better player is between Jokic and Embiid. Am I correct?

For reference, when Embiid plays, the 76ers are 14-8. Thats a 63% mark and that would currently be 3rd in the East. Meanwhile, Den is 16-16, but Joker has also missed some games, I believe.

It's hard, because on paper it's Philly. But the pieces were put together to suit Ben, and since Morey came Embiid. We just dont'; have nearly enough athleticism and creation though, which Denver has much more of.

I think when it comes to cohesiveness it's the Nuggets, although on paper, we might have the better team. With MPJ and Murray though, it's definitely the Nuggets.

Maxey might get to a Murray level at some point, but might not be the same three point shooter. They have different games, I just mean production wise. Tobias although a 20 ppg player is an empty stats guy.

So yeah, I'd say the Nuggets.

Joker missed 2-3 games this season. Jo has missed a lot more. I have checked their career numbers, and the team is far better with Embiid on the court that with Jokic on the court.

Check out the stats

Sixers have a 181-99 (64.6%) record with Embiid (very close to the 63% mark of this season. so it basically checks out. He's been as effective as the past) https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/sixers-record-with-embiid and 58-84 record without him. It's 40.8% without him. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/sixers-record-without-embiid

Nuggets have a 271-206 (56.8%) record with Jokic https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nuggets-record-with-jokic and 10-15 record without him 40% games won., https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nuggets-record-without-jokic.

[eyeatoma]

Question for this morning. Who do you think has the better active roster if you subtract Embiid and Jokic, Den or Philly? I ask because Philly and Den have very similar records and your judgement on who has the better active roster has implications on who the better player is between Jokic and Embiid. Am I correct?

For reference, when Embiid plays, the 76ers are 14-8. Thats a 63% mark and that would currently be 3rd in the East. Meanwhile, Den is 16-16, but Joker has also missed some games, I believe.

Denver roster blows

Whether we like it or not, Harris is a max player

Jokic has nobody

He & LeBron should be miles ahead in the mvp race

False max player that doens't fit. It's not like we have to count him just because he's a max player. He's horrible. It still makes the team horrible lol.

[76ciology]

Question for this morning. Who do you think has the better active roster if you subtract Embiid and Jokic, Den or Philly? I ask because Philly and Den have very similar records and your judgement on who has the better active roster has implications on who the better player is between Jokic and Embiid. Am I correct?

For reference, when Embiid plays, the 76ers are 14-8. Thats a 63% mark and that would currently be 3rd in the East. Meanwhile, Den is 16-16, but Joker has also missed some games, I believe.

Umm.. Better active roster would be Philly.

I was watching coach nik last night and I dont even know who this guy is

Watch on YouTube

Philly is just better. Not just because of Harris. But because of Seth, Maxey, Drummond, Thybulle, Green, Shake and etc.

Im not a Jokic fan. But Im objective enough to say Jokic is just better over Embiid and if Embiid wants to be as good or better as Jokic then Embiid better play like an ironman.

[eyeatoma]

Question for this morning. Who do you think has the better active roster if you subtract Embiid and Jokic, Den or Philly? I ask because Philly and Den have very similar records and your judgement on who has the better active roster has implications on who the better player is between Jokic and Embiid. Am I correct?

For reference, when Embiid plays, the 76ers are 14-8. Thats a 63% mark and that would currently be 3rd in the East. Meanwhile, Den is 16-16, but Joker has also missed some games, I believe.

Umm.. Better active roster would be Philly.

I was watching coach nik last night and I dont even know who this guy is

Watch on YouTube

Philly is just better. Not just because of Harris. But because of Seth, Maxey, Drummond, Thybulle, Green, Shake and etc.

Im not a Jokic fan. But Im objective enough to say Jokic is just better over Embiid and if Embiid wants to be as good or better as Jokic then Embiid better play like an ironman.

You are ignoring the stats that show their record when Embiid plays and when Jokic does.

Clearly in Embiid's favor.

[stormi]

[mjkvol]

That's wild.

[eyeatoma]

That's wild.

And some are over it and ready to trade him lol.

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[Murray_17]

Just for context, Embiid did it taking less 3's (4.2 vs 3.5) and less FGA (21 vs 17) in general, also he averaged one more FT (9 vs 8) and was better from the line (80% vs 72%).

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/allen-iverson-first-282-games
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/embiid-first-282-games

[Mik317]

its funny.

Jokic would be better on our roster with all of the set up dependant guys. Jo would be better on Denver's roster with their scorers

both rosters are ass without either and both are missing their PGs.

funny how that works out lol

[eyeatoma]

its funny.

Jokic would be better on our roster with all of the set up dependant guys. Jo would be better on Denver's roster with their scorers

both rosters are ass without either and both are missing their PGs.

funny how that works out lol

This is true.

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[elchengue20]

Its mind blowing that we have a top 5 player and people wants to trade him.

For what? To rebuild and be in the same position in 5,6 years at least? And that would be the best case scenario.

When you are lucky to have a generational talent like Biid you go all in and try to win, you dont trade them away.

[Tomjas]

Its mind blowing that we have a top 5 player and people wants to trade him.

For what? To rebuild and be in the same position in 5,6 years at least? And that would be the best case scenario.

When you are lucky to have a generational talent like Biid you go all in and try to win, you dont trade them away.

Embiid is really hard to build around

Don’t trade him but realise that the chances of winning with him are incredibly unlikely