Tank World Order (6.0)

[Ref_from_hell]

Yeah PHI played down to our depleted team. Did you not see the open looks they gave Boucher and other 3rd stringers?

LOL played down to our team. TwO is not even trying to make sense anymore. Would you say that if the situations were reversed? We lost by 3 points despite being without FVV, Barnes, Birch and Precious. The Sixers are a .500 team this year. To think we wouldn't be able to beat them at home with a reasonably healthy lineup is absolutely absurd. Especially when you consider we barely lost by playing guys that haven't even practiced with us and are straight from the G-league.

I don't think you guys realize how often you guys contradict yourself.

I think you take this thread too seriously. A lot of the posts here are just for comic relief.

The whole "fake wins", "Team Mediocre" tags are similar to how Donald Trump would push an agenda regardless if it actually makes sense or not.

The Ujiri/Nurse direction is pretty clear. They are trying to win. If they make the playoffs great. If they look like crap heading to the all-star break, they may tank the rest of the way similar to last year. Posters that dont agree with this direction are living in their own reality and are actually against Ujiri/Nurse's main building philosophies which is absurd considering their track record. The OP is a known Ujiri hater.

I do like coming to this thread for some of the prospect videos that are posted but I dont really trust anybody's judgement on them....Tank for Suggs or die trying, Tank 4 Wiggins were actually TWO movements. Most posters dont know what they are talking about.

Great Post

[ConSarnit]

Yeah PHI played down to our depleted team. Did you not see the open looks they gave Boucher and other 3rd stringers?

LOL played down to our team. TwO is not even trying to make sense anymore. Would you say that if the situations were reversed? We lost by 3 points despite being without FVV, Barnes, Birch and Precious. The Sixers are a .500 team this year. To think we wouldn't be able to beat them at home with a reasonably healthy lineup is absolutely absurd. Especially when you consider we barely lost by playing guys that haven't even practiced with us and are straight from the G-league.

I don't think you guys realize how often you guys contradict yourself.

I think you take this thread too seriously. A lot of the posts here are just for comic relief.

The whole "fake wins", "Team Mediocre" tags are similar to how Donald Trump would push an agenda regardless if it actually makes sense or not.

The Ujiri/Nurse direction is pretty clear. They are trying to win. If they make the playoffs great. If they look like crap heading to the all-star break, they may tank the rest of the way similar to last year. Posters that dont agree with this direction are living in their own reality and are actually against Ujiri/Nurse's main building philosophies which is absurd considering their track record. The OP is a known Ujiri hater.

I do like coming to this thread for some of the prospect videos that are posted but I dont really trust anybody's judgement on them....Tank for Suggs or die trying, Tank 4 Wiggins were actually TWO movements. Most posters dont know what they are talking about.

You’d think in the face of mounting evidence they could see where TWO is coming from, yet no, they still don’t get it.

Do you like Barnes? Great, we got him by tanking at the end of last season

How about our previous draft picks? Do you think we did well to draft OG and Siakam in the 20’s?

We have a great drafting FO, maybe best in the league. Giving them higher picks seems like that could work out for us. This ain’t the Babcock show anymore.

You don’t have to agree with TWO but it would be nice if people could use their brains to evaluate the whole picture.

Example: I can see where Team Mediocre is coming from. Great players can be found late lotto. Flat out tanking could be detrimental to a culture. Losing a lot also sucks.

[720]

LOL played down to our team. TwO is not even trying to make sense anymore. Would you say that if the situations were reversed? We lost by 3 points despite being without FVV, Barnes, Birch and Precious. The Sixers are a .500 team this year. To think we wouldn't be able to beat them at home with a reasonably healthy lineup is absolutely absurd. Especially when you consider we barely lost by playing guys that haven't even practiced with us and are straight from the G-league.

I don't think you guys realize how often you guys contradict yourself.

Or if you do not agree, just simply stop posting in this tWo specific thread.

It’s a difficult concept for some. They just feel the need to be right and will fight air in order to prove it

How Treadmill Nation can feel right after we all predicted the team would suck last year and that drafting a high pick is the best bet for the future over losing to the Nets in the first round got proven right with our Barnes pick at 4 is mind boggling to me. I was too naive to think Team Mediocre would move on from their mediocre mindset after what happened last year.

But here they are, rehashing the same dumbass talking points as if anyone cares.

This is what I see when burner accounts ramble on and on to each other about how losing games is bad for the culture and what not.

[Pooh_Jeter]

I was out on TWO after they wouldn't commission a study using multiple experts and analysts stating which teams had successfully tanked. It's a pretty simple ask and they won't do it.

We already know no team with a top 5 pick has EVER won a championship. I will keep posting in this thread though, just to keep up and share some laughs, not because I agree with TWO at all.

[Los_29]

LOL played down to our team. TwO is not even trying to make sense anymore. Would you say that if the situations were reversed? We lost by 3 points despite being without FVV, Barnes, Birch and Precious. The Sixers are a .500 team this year. To think we wouldn't be able to beat them at home with a reasonably healthy lineup is absolutely absurd. Especially when you consider we barely lost by playing guys that haven't even practiced with us and are straight from the G-league.

I don't think you guys realize how often you guys contradict yourself.

I think you take this thread too seriously. A lot of the posts here are just for comic relief.

The whole "fake wins", "Team Mediocre" tags are similar to how Donald Trump would push an agenda regardless if it actually makes sense or not.

The Ujiri/Nurse direction is pretty clear. They are trying to win. If they make the playoffs great. If they look like crap heading to the all-star break, they may tank the rest of the way similar to last year. Posters that dont agree with this direction are living in their own reality and are actually against Ujiri/Nurse's main building philosophies which is absurd considering their track record. The OP is a known Ujiri hater.

I do like coming to this thread for some of the prospect videos that are posted but I dont really trust anybody's judgement on them....Tank for Suggs or die trying, Tank 4 Wiggins were actually TWO movements. Most posters dont know what they are talking about.

You’d think in the face of mounting evidence they could see where TWO is coming from, yet no, they still don’t get it.

Do you like Barnes? Great, we got him by tanking at the end of last season

How about our previous draft picks? Do you think we did well to draft OG and Siakam in the 20’s?

We have a great drafting FO, maybe best in the league. Giving them higher picks seems like that could work out for us. This ain’t the Babcock show anymore.

You don’t have to agree with TWO but it would be nice if people could use their brains to evaluate the whole picture.

Example: I can see where Team Mediocre is coming from. Great players can be found late lotto. Flat out tanking could be detrimental to a culture. Losing a lot also sucks.

What? Your post is all over the place there.

[Ref_from_hell]

LOL played down to our team. TwO is not even trying to make sense anymore. Would you say that if the situations were reversed? We lost by 3 points despite being without FVV, Barnes, Birch and Precious. The Sixers are a .500 team this year. To think we wouldn't be able to beat them at home with a reasonably healthy lineup is absolutely absurd. Especially when you consider we barely lost by playing guys that haven't even practiced with us and are straight from the G-league.

I don't think you guys realize how often you guys contradict yourself.

I think you take this thread too seriously. A lot of the posts here are just for comic relief.

The whole "fake wins", "Team Mediocre" tags are similar to how Donald Trump would push an agenda regardless if it actually makes sense or not.

The Ujiri/Nurse direction is pretty clear. They are trying to win. If they make the playoffs great. If they look like crap heading to the all-star break, they may tank the rest of the way similar to last year. Posters that dont agree with this direction are living in their own reality and are actually against Ujiri/Nurse's main building philosophies which is absurd considering their track record. The OP is a known Ujiri hater.

I do like coming to this thread for some of the prospect videos that are posted but I dont really trust anybody's judgement on them....Tank for Suggs or die trying, Tank 4 Wiggins were actually TWO movements. Most posters dont know what they are talking about.

You’d think in the face of mounting evidence they could see where TWO is coming from, yet no, they still don’t get it.

Do you like Barnes? Great, we got him by tanking at the end of last season

How about our previous draft picks? Do you think we did well to draft OG and Siakam in the 20’s?

We have a great drafting FO, maybe best in the league. Giving them higher picks seems like that could work out for us. This ain’t the Babcock show anymore.

You don’t have to agree with TWO but it would be nice if people could use their brains to evaluate the whole picture.

Example: I can see where Team Mediocre is coming from. Great players can be found late lotto. Flat out tanking could be detrimental to a culture. Losing a lot also sucks.

We got Barnes because:

Baynes turned out to be a disaster, don't think the front office expected this.

More than half our starting lineup ended up getting coronavirus and we lost a bunch of games because of this. Even when those players returned, they were not conditioned (Pascal losing a bunch of weight) and so we were still losing.

Only when the team was double digits under 500 did they start considering resting players

We got extremely lucky with the lotto balls

So basically all of those things had to happen. It wasn't a pure deliberate tank. It kind of evolved into one near the end when it was obvious they were unlikely to make the play in.

[720]

I was out on TWO after they wouldn't commission a study using multiple experts and analysts stating which teams had successfully tanked. It's a pretty simple ask and they won't do it.

We already know no team with a top 5 pick has EVER won a championship. I will keep posting in this thread though, just to keep up and share some laughs, not because I agree with TWO at all.

That's what I love about these guys, they shift the narrative or deflect attention away from what matters. Warriors drafted Curry and Klay in the lotto, Spurs got Duncan in the lotto, Heat got Wade in the lotto, Lakers got Kobe on draft night a through a trade in the lotto, Dallas traded for Dirk on draft night who was a lotto pick.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS to Team Mediocre.

[Bruin]

The front office probably expected Aron Baynes to come and be Marc Gasol apparently

[Bruin]

I was out on TWO after they wouldn't commission a study using multiple experts and analysts stating which teams had successfully tanked. It's a pretty simple ask and they won't do it.

We already know no team with a top 5 pick has EVER won a championship. I will keep posting in this thread though, just to keep up and share some laughs, not because I agree with TWO at all.

That's what I love about these guys, they shift the narrative or deflect attention away from what matters. Warriors drafted Curry and Klay in the lotto, Spurs got Duncan in the lotto, Heat got Wade in the lotto, Lakers got Kobe in the lotto, Dallas traded for Dirk on draft who was a lotto pick.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS to Team Mediocre.

But just cause a guy like Jokic got taken in 2nd round, tanking is worthless!

[ConSarnit]

I think you take this thread too seriously. A lot of the posts here are just for comic relief.

The whole "fake wins", "Team Mediocre" tags are similar to how Donald Trump would push an agenda regardless if it actually makes sense or not.

The Ujiri/Nurse direction is pretty clear. They are trying to win. If they make the playoffs great. If they look like crap heading to the all-star break, they may tank the rest of the way similar to last year. Posters that dont agree with this direction are living in their own reality and are actually against Ujiri/Nurse's main building philosophies which is absurd considering their track record. The OP is a known Ujiri hater.

I do like coming to this thread for some of the prospect videos that are posted but I dont really trust anybody's judgement on them....Tank for Suggs or die trying, Tank 4 Wiggins were actually TWO movements. Most posters dont know what they are talking about.

You’d think in the face of mounting evidence they could see where TWO is coming from, yet no, they still don’t get it.

Do you like Barnes? Great, we got him by tanking at the end of last season

How about our previous draft picks? Do you think we did well to draft OG and Siakam in the 20’s?

We have a great drafting FO, maybe best in the league. Giving them higher picks seems like that could work out for us. This ain’t the Babcock show anymore.

You don’t have to agree with TWO but it would be nice if people could use their brains to evaluate the whole picture.

Example: I can see where Team Mediocre is coming from. Great players can be found late lotto. Flat out tanking could be detrimental to a culture. Losing a lot also sucks.

What? Your post is all over the place there.

If you can’t read it’s not my fault. Other posters understood it.

[720]

I was out on TWO after they wouldn't commission a study using multiple experts and analysts stating which teams had successfully tanked. It's a pretty simple ask and they won't do it.

We already know no team with a top 5 pick has EVER won a championship. I will keep posting in this thread though, just to keep up and share some laughs, not because I agree with TWO at all.

That's what I love about these guys, they shift the narrative or deflect attention away from what matters. Warriors drafted Curry and Klay in the lotto, Spurs got Duncan in the lotto, Heat got Wade in the lotto, Lakers got Kobe in the lotto, Dallas traded for Dirk on draft who was a lotto pick.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS to Team Mediocre.

But just cause a guy like Jokic got taken in 2nd round, tanking is worthless!

I kid you not some over the past year have even told me it's not championship or bust and that because they pay for tickets to go to the games they deserve to see quality basketball even if it isn't championship caliber.

[Bruin]

That's what I love about these guys, they shift the narrative or deflect attention away from what matters. Warriors drafted Curry and Klay in the lotto, Spurs got Duncan in the lotto, Heat got Wade in the lotto, Lakers got Kobe in the lotto, Dallas traded for Dirk on draft who was a lotto pick.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS to Team Mediocre.

But just cause a guy like Jokic got taken in 2nd round, tanking is worthless!

I kid you not some over the past year have even told me it's not championship or bust and that because they pay for tickets the to go to the games they deserve to see quality basketball even if it isn't championship caliber.

Definition of Team Mediocre

[720]

But just cause a guy like Jokic got taken in 2nd round, tanking is worthless!

I kid you not some over the past year have even told me it's not championship or bust and that because they pay for tickets the to go to the games they deserve to see quality basketball even if it isn't championship caliber.

Definition of Team Mediocre

They love mediocrity because it's convenient. They can't stand losing for a couple years if it means more success in the future.

[720]

For the Chandler fans.

Watch on YouTube

[ConSarnit]

I think you take this thread too seriously. A lot of the posts here are just for comic relief.

The whole "fake wins", "Team Mediocre" tags are similar to how Donald Trump would push an agenda regardless if it actually makes sense or not.

The Ujiri/Nurse direction is pretty clear. They are trying to win. If they make the playoffs great. If they look like crap heading to the all-star break, they may tank the rest of the way similar to last year. Posters that dont agree with this direction are living in their own reality and are actually against Ujiri/Nurse's main building philosophies which is absurd considering their track record. The OP is a known Ujiri hater.

I do like coming to this thread for some of the prospect videos that are posted but I dont really trust anybody's judgement on them....Tank for Suggs or die trying, Tank 4 Wiggins were actually TWO movements. Most posters dont know what they are talking about.

You’d think in the face of mounting evidence they could see where TWO is coming from, yet no, they still don’t get it.

Do you like Barnes? Great, we got him by tanking at the end of last season

How about our previous draft picks? Do you think we did well to draft OG and Siakam in the 20’s?

We have a great drafting FO, maybe best in the league. Giving them higher picks seems like that could work out for us. This ain’t the Babcock show anymore.

You don’t have to agree with TWO but it would be nice if people could use their brains to evaluate the whole picture.

Example: I can see where Team Mediocre is coming from. Great players can be found late lotto. Flat out tanking could be detrimental to a culture. Losing a lot also sucks.

We got Barnes because:

Baynes turned out to be a disaster, don't think the front office expected this.

More than half our starting lineup ended up getting coronavirus and we lost a bunch of games because of this. Even when those players returned, they were not conditioned (Pascal losing a bunch of weight) and so we were still losing.

Only when the team was double digits under 500 did they start considering resting players

We got extremely lucky with the lotto balls

So basically all of those things had to happen. It wasn't a pure deliberate tank. It kind of evolved into one near the end when it was obvious they were unlikely to make the play in.

I’ve not advocated for a straight out tank. My thoughts are:

-if the FO wants to tank, I trust them

-if it’s between finishing 8th or 12th, I’ll take my chances on lotto balls rather than a first round exit

-I don’t firmly hold to the 2nd belief. If we had 2 players of Scottie’s potential, I could see the value in the 8th seed/playoff experience. If OG comes back and continues to progress maybe we’re closer to having the all-star level players we’ll need to really compete.

[Pooh_Jeter]

When TWO told me they wanted to tank pre season games I couldn't take it anymore. That's quality basketball that shouldn't be sullied.

[Los_29]

You’d think in the face of mounting evidence they could see where TWO is coming from, yet no, they still don’t get it.

Do you like Barnes? Great, we got him by tanking at the end of last season

How about our previous draft picks? Do you think we did well to draft OG and Siakam in the 20’s?

We have a great drafting FO, maybe best in the league. Giving them higher picks seems like that could work out for us. This ain’t the Babcock show anymore.

You don’t have to agree with TWO but it would be nice if people could use their brains to evaluate the whole picture.

Example: I can see where Team Mediocre is coming from. Great players can be found late lotto. Flat out tanking could be detrimental to a culture. Losing a lot also sucks.

What? Your post is all over the place there.

If you can’t read it’s not my fault. Other posters understood it.

The ironic thing is you saying people need to use their brains to evaluate the whole picture when TwO can't give a single example of this strategy ever working. If people used their brains they wouldn't be in favour of tanking because it's not a strategy that has ever worked. Using your brain would be evaluating numerous strategies and seeing which ones typically produce winning teams. Tanking isn't one of those strategies.

Your post is all over the place because you said that we got Scottie with the 4th overall pick but then right after that say we've done a great job of drafting players with late picks. Because of drafting so well and accumulating assets we were able to trade for a top 5 player in Kawhi which brought us a championship.

No one will deny that the best players are drafted earlier in the draft but this has not led to team success because those players are going to terrible teams and end up leaving. It takes a really, REALLY bad team to get a high pick unless you have terrible luck with injuries like GSW two years ago, Miami when they got Wade or the Spurs when they got Duncan.

No one is against pulling the plug like last year if things start to go bad but suggesting this team should start tanking from day 1 of the season and trade away it's veteran players who are just 27 years old is just absurd and I'm sure you would agree with that. That's not how you build a team and that is why not a single credible GM in this league utilizes this strategy including our front office which is considered among the best in the league.

[Danny1616]

I was out on TWO after they wouldn't commission a study using multiple experts and analysts stating which teams had successfully tanked. It's a pretty simple ask and they won't do it.

We already know no team with a top 5 pick has EVER won a championship. I will keep posting in this thread though, just to keep up and share some laughs, not because I agree with TWO at all.

That's what I love about these guys, they shift the narrative or deflect attention away from what matters. Warriors drafted Curry and Klay in the lotto, Spurs got Duncan in the lotto, Heat got Wade in the lotto, Lakers got Kobe on draft night a through a trade in the lotto, Dallas traded for Dirk on draft night who was a lotto pick.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS to Team Mediocre.

Again, a simple, unsubstantiated, and black and white answer with zero context, which is a common response from you, 720.

"Lottery" is wide and ranges from 1-14. Under your definition, a team that finishes in the play in or just outside the play in is a treadmill team.

Warriors got the 7th pick in 2009 because they were absolutely decimated by injuries. Monta Ellis missed most of the season, and virtually every player in the starting line-up missed HUGE chunks of the season.

When the Warriors got Klay they were literally the definition of a treadmill team. They finished 36-46 and were still trying to win games late in the season. Curry had his ankle issues but the Warriors played him late in the season where they actually won their last 5 of 6 games that year. Was that a team actively trying to tank?

Again, Spurs got Duncan because they lost their franchise player for the entire season.

Kobe was the 13th pick and drafted by a literal "treadmill" team according to your definition.

Literally nobody here is against "tanking" if the circumstances of a season lead to that way or if the team is average for a few years in a row. What people are saying is we are against deliberately tanking before the season event starts, which for some strange and peculiar reason, you cannot seem to comprehend to the slightest, which is not only weirdly perplexing, but downright sad.

Then at the same time you have obvious trolls like Pooh who make up stuff that was never said and perpetuates conspiracy theories of me using burner accounts because he can't handle anybody that disagrees with him.

Brush up on your basketball history, because it's absolutely atrocious.

Are you also insinuating that we are against trading for lottery picks if a good trade arises? Where did you get that idea? What the ****?

[PhilBlackson]

Thread successfully derailed by Team Mediocre lol well done boys.

Accomplishes nothing, simple solution is just don't come to a thread (over & over & over...) that you don't support but hey most of those that do come to repeat the same old drivel are just here because you're attention starved lol so hey do you I guess.

TM "tAnKIng DoEsn't WorK".....

Also...TM "Scottie Barnes (who is here as a result of tanking) might be the best thing to HAPPEN to the Raptors"

Anyways enjoy feeding the attention starved TM troll boyz lol Happy New Year to all of you, all the same! Believe it or not we all want the best for the same team, just different perspectives on how to arrive there.

[720]

I was out on TWO after they wouldn't commission a study using multiple experts and analysts stating which teams had successfully tanked. It's a pretty simple ask and they won't do it.

We already know no team with a top 5 pick has EVER won a championship. I will keep posting in this thread though, just to keep up and share some laughs, not because I agree with TWO at all.

That's what I love about these guys, they shift the narrative or deflect attention away from what matters. Warriors drafted Curry and Klay in the lotto, Spurs got Duncan in the lotto, Heat got Wade in the lotto, Lakers got Kobe on draft night a through a trade in the lotto, Dallas traded for Dirk on draft night who was a lotto pick.

BUT NONE OF THIS MATTERS to Team Mediocre.

Again, a simple unsubstantiated and black and white answer with zero context, which is a common response from you, 720.

"Lottery" is wide and ranges from 1-14. Under your definition, a team that finishes in the play in or just outside the play in is a treadmill team.

Warriors got the 7th pick in 2009 because they were absolutely decimated by injuries. Monta Ellis missed most of the season, and virtually every player in the starting line-up missed HUGE chunks of the season.

When the Warriors got Klay they were literally the definition of a treadmill team. They finished 36-46 and were still trying to win games late in the season. Curry had his ankle issues but the Warriors played him late in the season where they actually won their last 5 of 6 games that year. Was that a team actively trying to tank?

Again, Spurs got Duncan because they lost their franchise player for the entire season.

Kobe was the 13th pick and drafted by a literal "treadmill" team according to your definition.

Literally nobody here is against "tanking" if the circumstances of a season lead to that way or if the team is average for a few years in a row. What people are saying is we are against deliberately tanking before the season event starts, which for some strange and peculiar reason, you cannot seem to comprehend to the slightest.

Brush up on your basketball history, because it's absolutely atrocious.

Here is your context, superstar coming here through free agency isn't an option for this franchise. Trading for a superstar like Kawhi is once in a lifetime and the general price for one has gone up tremendously since then so odds not that great. That leaves us the draft. Where is just got Scottie Barnes.

Also the bolded part. You and me have literally had a conversation where I said I would rather have a low lotto pick than a 1st round 8 seed beat down from the top team of the conference.

Once again proving that you either don't listen or choose to ignore what people tell you on the forum.

Now back to ignore you go because I don't wanna talk in circles like you LOVE to do.