Options to fix the PF hole

ChettheJet · Post #541 » by **ChettheJet** » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:02 pm

imagge wrote:I like the idea of trying go after Cam Reddish and play him at the 4...in a few years Cam/PWill will be a deadly interchangeable 3/4 combo

That might be the best move. The Hawks supposedly want a FRP, which I think is too much but the PORT pick is part of it. Then I'd try to send DJJ and make it Reddish and Okongwu. So ATL saves money. I know Okongwu is their 1st round pick but they've signed Collins, have Capela at the 5 when is Okongwu going to get the minutes to quickly develop and if he takes too long when do they give up on him? And if he does improve do they take minutes from the two high priced veterans?
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You know I wouldn't want to be next to some of you people if the punches started to fly. A bunch of cut and run weaklings. NO F'n loyalty at al, Coby doesn't come back quick enough so he's a throw in on every trade. Patrick Williams gets injured and he's completely expendable to get some journeyman replacement. Vucevic gets COVID and doesn't come back looking like an all star so ship him out for anybody you can find. Some of you have spaghetti for spines.

Then you get somebody who imagines Reddish showing up and instantly being way more than he was in ATL and suddenly the Bulls could ship out DeRozan as though the all star level play he's given the Bulls is going to be a distant memory in a year and a half and he can get shoved out the door.

Krazykiwi · Post #542 » by **Krazykiwi** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:22 am

BUMP

I know the Bulls are playing well and very deep. But eventually we will have to deal with Gannis and the big front line of the Bucks. So what potential front court players we can target between now and the trading deadline? Green, DJJ VUC are not gonna cut it vs the Bucks

pipfan · Post #543 » by **pipfan** » Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am

This is the long term problem-who covers KD/Giannis, and even Tatum/Butler could be an issue
I think you go all in for Grant/Barnes-and take a shot the next 2 seasons

StunnerKO · Post #544 » by **StunnerKO** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 8:32 pm

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VolumePoster · Post #545 » by **VolumePoster** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:22 pm

The Clippers look cooked to me, and I've been thinking lately about Morris Sr for our power forward spot. He'd bring a lot of what we need at the position - size, toughness, defense, playoff experience and three point range. He could be a nice fit and not break the bank like a Grant or Barnes.

MGB8 · Post #546 » by **MGB8** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:54 pm

StunnerKO wrote:

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Weird. I wonder what kept him from a roster and is keeping him from sticking…

MGB8 · Post #547 » by **MGB8** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:55 pm

VolumePoster wrote:The Clippers look cooked to me, and I've been thinking lately about Morris Sr for our power forward spot. He'd bring a lot of what we need at the position - size, toughness, defense, playoff experience and three point range. He could be a nice fit and not break the bank like a Grant or Barnes.

That is an interesting thought. Probably similar trade cost to RoCo, but he hasn’t had a horrid season like RoCo has.

sco · Post #548 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:16 pm

MGB8 wrote:
VolumePoster wrote:The Clippers look cooked to me, and I've been thinking lately about Morris Sr for our power forward spot. He'd bring a lot of what we need at the position - size, toughness, defense, playoff experience and three point range. He could be a nice fit and not break the bank like a Grant or Barnes.

That is an interesting thought. Probably similar trade cost to RoCo, but he hasn’t had a horrid season like RoCo has.

I though the same, but he's paid $16M+ the next two seasons for ages 33 & 34...not a bargain and creates a tax problem. I love him as a player though for this season.

nomorezorro · Post #549 » by **nomorezorro** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:23 pm

marcus morris is pretty close to the ideal star pf defender among non-star players who can also contribute offensively. he's not gonna shut anybody down, but he's a big body who can do a respectable job against the best of the best.

i don't really know why people are talking about the clippers like they're a team who's likely to trade away potential valuable playoff contributors. they'd have to really fall off a cliff without pg13, because as long as they're in spitting distance of the play-in and their stars aren't definitively out for the season, they will presumably (and justifiably) operate as if they are contenders

sco · Post #550 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:33 pm

sco wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
VolumePoster wrote:The Clippers look cooked to me, and I've been thinking lately about Morris Sr for our power forward spot. He'd bring a lot of what we need at the position - size, toughness, defense, playoff experience and three point range. He could be a nice fit and not break the bank like a Grant or Barnes.

That is an interesting thought. Probably similar trade cost to RoCo, but he hasn’t had a horrid season like RoCo has.

I though the same, but he's paid $16M+ the next two seasons for ages 33 & 34...not a bargain and creates a tax problem. I love him as a player though for this season.

I still like RoCo as an option (or Kleber) plus a C like RoLo or Cousins.

VolumePoster · Post #551 » by **VolumePoster** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:11 am

sco wrote:
sco wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
That is an interesting thought. Probably similar trade cost to RoCo, but he hasn’t had a horrid season like RoCo has.

I though the same, but he's paid $16M+ the next two seasons for ages 33 & 34...not a bargain and creates a tax problem. I love him as a player though for this season.

I still like RoCo as an option (or Kleber) plus a C like RoLo or Cousins.

Roco is the best fit among realistic options. Then again, with ACME, you never know.

Unless it's Lonzo Ball. Then you totally know.

Bulls2021 · Post #552 » by **Bulls2021** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:30 am

RoCo has sucked this year. No thanks to him at his age.

MGB8 · Post #553 » by **MGB8** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:22 pm

Bulls2021 wrote:RoCo has sucked this year. No thanks to him at his age.

He did start to play a little better before going out with Covid Protocols, so worth keeping an eye on. Especially if the price isn't anything more than Troy Brown Jr., Simonovic and the Portland pick back (which is possible given RoCo's decline - and an overpay if he doesn't continue to trend better).

IMO Blazers are reasonably likely to partially blow it up - it's getting pretty late in the season and they aren't getting any traction, despite having talent. I don't know if they will entirely blow it up, though, since Nassir Little is coming on, and they've had health issues that they can excuse the struggles with. IMO it will be more like trades for McCullom (maybe), RoCo (most likely), and Nurkic (possible, but unlikely mostly because I don't think there will be a decent market for him - i.e., a lotto protected first back).

Guess Stotts wasn't the problem... (which was pretty obvious to me - although he may have been a touch ahead of his time in the "play 2 combo forwards" notion post Aldridge leaving - and might actually have more success with it now than he did several years back as the league rules shifted more and more and matchups became less of an issue for that kind of play).

sco · Post #554 » by **sco** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:42 pm

MGB8 wrote:
Bulls2021 wrote:RoCo has sucked this year. No thanks to him at his age.

He did start to play a little better before going out with Covid Protocols, so worth keeping an eye on. Especially if the price isn't anything more than Troy Brown Jr., Simonovic and the Portland pick back (which is possible given RoCo's decline - and an overpay if he doesn't continue to trend better).

IMO Blazers are reasonably likely to partially blow it up - it's getting pretty late in the season and they aren't getting any traction, despite having talent. I don't know if they will entirely blow it up, though, since Nassir Little is coming on, and they've had health issues that they can excuse the struggles with. IMO it will be more like trades for McCullom (maybe), RoCo (most likely), and Nurkic (possible, but unlikely mostly because I don't think there will be a decent market for him - i.e., a lotto protected first back).

Guess Stotts wasn't the problem... (which was pretty obvious to me - although he may have been a touch ahead of his time in the "play 2 combo forwards" notion post Aldridge leaving - and might actually have more success with it now than he did several years back as the league rules shifted more and more and matchups became less of an issue for that kind of play).

I've said this elsewhere, but POR's 1st is worth a lot to them, as they can then remove the protection and turn-around and use it to improve their roster. RoCo has been stellar on defense this season from what I've read, but his shot (like many guys this season, has fallen off).

prolific passer · Post #555 » by **prolific passer** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:56 pm

sco wrote:
prolific passer wrote:Bulls best option right now might be to sign the best power forward on the market and just play to the matchups. Use your small ball lineup against small ball teams and play your power forward against teams with legit and decent power forwards.

IMO, we should cut Matt who isn't guaranteed and just start cycling through these guys on 10 day deals, once that process starts. When is Vonleh available from China?

You called it. Already signed 2 to 10 day contracts.

ikeziskash · Post #556 » by **ikeziskash** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:59 pm

I still think Hassan Whiteside might be a good option. He's one of the better rebounders and shot blockers in the league. Wouldn't interior defense and another solid big be our biggest weakness?

Bulls2021 · Post #557 » by **Bulls2021** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:42 pm

ikeziskash wrote:I still think Hassan Whiteside might be a good option. He's one of the better rebounders and shot blockers in the league. Wouldn't interior defense and another solid big be our biggest weakness?

Eh... I don't want that dude mucking up the chemistry of this team.

BahamaBull · Post #558 » by **BahamaBull** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:44 pm

Zach Lowe just said on his podcast that if he was the Detroit Pistons the first team they should call for Jerami Grant is the Bulls...And they should ask for Patrick Williams...

Zach also said if he was the Bulls he would have said NO!

WTF?!?!?!

I would even include a 1st round if Im the Bulls :lol:

I was never high on PW though. Hopefully Im wrong and he will be a star...I just cant see it

Lonzo/Lavine/DeRozan/Grant/Vuch is just too good to pass IMO.

Post #559 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:45 pm

What about the guess like Javonte Green, DJJ, Tyler Cook, McKinnie? I'm taking any of them over Whiteside right now IMHO

2weekswithpay · Post #560 » by **2weekswithpay** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:14 pm

BahamaBull wrote:Zach Lowe just said on his podcast that if he was the Detroit Pistons the first team they should call for Jerami Grant is the Bulls...And they should ask for Patrick Williams...

Zach also said if he was the Bulls he would have said NO!

WTF?!?!?!

I would even include a 1st round if Im the Bulls

I was never high on PW though. Hopefully Im wrong and he will be a star...I just cant see it

Lonzo/Lavine/DeRozan/Grant/Vuch is just too good to pass IMO.

Serves as a reminder that the rest of the league probably has a better opinion of Pat than we'd like to believe.