Sabonis and Turner offers

[Knickfan1982]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do this. Doesn't the NYK hold the Hornets #1 in 2022 with top 19 protections? Even if you added it this is another had full of change for a dollar bill.

As good as Turner is, he's no superstar. He's a complimentary piece. I think adding a stretch 5 who can still block shots is the kind of complimentary piece that can help balance things for the Knicks. But still, a complimentary piece all the same. Much beyond what I offered is going to be an overpay.

[Knickfan1982]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I like the original offer better with Charlotte left out. How about Turner for Toppin, Quickley, Walker and the picks and Pacers trade Craig somewhere for a 2nd to open a roster spot?

I included Charlotte because Robinson would need to go somewhere if the Knicks pick up Turner and if Turner/Sabonis doesn't work I doubt Sabonis/Robinson would work either.

I think Quickley, Toppin and 3 picks is an overpay for Turner. Quickley is instant offense off the bench and really valuable to us. Maybe it turns out that Grimes and McBride make him expendable because they've done well in limited time. At this point I think his addition makes the deal an overpay.

[Knickfan1982]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

Cutting out the Hornets complication, Obi, Mitchell Robinson + 2 variously protected 1sts feels like REALLY strong value for Myles. I think Turner is one of the more overrated guys amongst the trade board (and himself lol) but if the Knicks said yes I can't imagine how the Pacers could say no.

I included Charlotte because Robinson is a cleaner fit with them than with Indiana and figured Kemba was an easier sell to the Hornets than to Indiana. Including them allowed me to send inexpensive salary ballast to Indiana.

[DoItALL9]

Picks & Westbrook for Turner, Lamb, and Warren (or LeVert)


Picks -
2025 unprotected 1st round swap
2026 unprotected 1st Rd pick
2027 unprotected 1st Rd swap
2028 top 5 protected 1st Rd pick

The Pacers get to compete for the playoffs which they have historically cared about doing.
They're really good at drafting so having extra picks is a benefit.
Westbrook will put a few extra fans in the stands.
Worry- will he click with Carlisle?

Lakers get younger and huge upfront.
Turner can hold it down when AD is out.
Turner spreads the floor when necessary.
He can be Bosh 2.0

[DoItALL9]

One stop shopping…

Ayton + Saric + Crowder + 2024 Suns 1st (unprotected) + 2026 Suns 1st (protected)

FOR

Sabonis + Turner + Small Filler

Suns try Sabonis and Turner in their system, paired in a deep playoff run, lead by Paul. Sarver punts on Ayton decision, and can decide on Turner next year. Depending on how Sabonis and Turner pairing works for Suns, they can always recoup value (if needed) by trading one in the future.
Turner
Sabonis
Bridges
Booker
Paul

Pacers retool by giving Ayton his own new team to showcase and shine. Future Suns 1sts could be sexy if Paul ages out or something breaks bad in Phoenix.

Note: I think value is Ayton > Sabonis > Turner. Gap is small between Ayton and Sabonis and not massive between the three all together. I also don’t think Ayton for Sabonis works for Suns. Sabonis doesn’t provide the D PHX needs at the 5 — maybe they keep him at PF with C by Committee. Turner for Ayton could have legs but just don’t see a good fit with Ayton and Sabonis pairing, or how Pacers close value gap. Enter all-in Suns to try Pacers pairing in PHX.

I could be wrong but I think Crowder being included kills this

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[Adrian Street]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I like the original offer better with Charlotte left out. How about Turner for Toppin, Quickley, Walker and the picks and Pacers trade Craig somewhere for a 2nd to open a roster spot?

I included Charlotte because Robinson would need to go somewhere if the Knicks pick up Turner and if Turner/Sabonis doesn't work I doubt Sabonis/Robinson would work either.

I think Quickley, Toppin and 3 picks is an overpay for Turner. Quickley is instant offense off the bench and really valuable to us. Maybe it turns out that Grimes and McBride make him expendable because they've done well in limited time. At this point I think his addition makes the deal an overpay.

How about Quickley, Toppin, Knox and 2 picks for Turner and Craig? I have no interest in Plumlee and Ish.

[pacers33granger]

The problem with a lot of offers in here is they're pieces. It just makes no sense to break a decent player down like that when the main issue we have is lacking high end talent.

Specifically some of the mentioned pieces are useless to Indy. As an example, Obi is an ok prospect. But he's never seeing the floor if one big us kept as we also have Goga and Jackson who never see time as it is.

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[Topofthekey]

The problem with a lot of offers in here is they're pieces. It just makes no sense to break a decent player down like that when the main issue we have is lacking high end talent.

Specifically some of the mentioned pieces are useless to Indy. As an example, Obi is an ok prospect. But he's never seeing the floor if one big us kept as we also have Goga and Jackson who never see time as it is.

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The only offer I like was the one where Pacers trade both Sabonis and Turner for Anthony Edwards

(It was a 3 team trade involving Celtics also, with Sabonis going to Celtics and Brown and Turner going to Wolves)

It is, of course, an unrealistic trade because Wolves aren't trading Edwards anytime soon

But that's the type of trade that Pacers should look for, a trade that returns a player to build around, rather than multiple small pieces

[Scoot McGroot]

Picks & Westbrook for Turner, Lamb, and Warren (or LeVert)


Picks -
2025 unprotected 1st round swap
2026 unprotected 1st Rd pick
2027 unprotected 1st Rd swap
2028 top 5 protected 1st Rd pick

The Pacers get to compete for the playoffs which they have historically cared about doing.
They're really good at drafting so having extra picks is a benefit.
Westbrook will put a few extra fans in the stands.
Worry- will he click with Carlisle?

Lakers get younger and huge upfront.
Turner can hold it down when AD is out.
Turner spreads the floor when necessary.
He can be Bosh 2.0

Lakers can’t offer those picks, due to the protections and restrictions on the pick they owe New Orleans. So, La is far off from being able to lay what Indy would need to take in Westbrook. Realistically, La can only offer swaps in 2026 and 2028 and an outright pick in 2027 since NO can just defer the 2024 pick to 2025.

[LofJ]

I still like De'Aaron Fox as a trade target for the Pacers. He and Duarte would form the best backcourt they've had in a long, long time.

[Wizop]

I still like De'Aaron Fox as a trade target for the Pacers. He and Duarte would form the best backcourt they've had in a long, long time.

getting a PG from the Kings would help the Pacers but why would the Kings want to give up on one? are you thinking Mitchel is long term better than Fox or are you just going for a shorter contract?

FWIW Carlisle has said LeVert is good at either the 1 or the 2 but I haven't seen it.

[SNPA]

I still like De'Aaron Fox as a trade target for the Pacers. He and Duarte would form the best backcourt they've had in a long, long time.

Yup. This is Fox/2nd for Sabonis/Lamb.

Kings get a sweet passing all star big man, that worked out pretty good last time it happened.

Pacers reload on the fly.

[basketballwacko2]

The pacers are locked into 9-12th seed territory. If that's the build they think is adequate then sure, wait and see if they can grow to outplay expecatation as a unit. But IMO Sabonis is the unique talent holding this team above bottom feed level. And Turner is more of the "can you just imagine if he reaches his potential" type of dreamer big man prospect. He's good, yes. But he's isn't as good as Sabo, and in all the years of them combined he hasn't grown in any impact. At some point you have to take advantage where you can on certain guys and make a hard turn to try and fix the issue at hand.

Turner is leading the NBA in blocked shots, and he is a good 3pt shooter, he plays excellent defense in addition to the blocked shots. I'm gonna say even if you gave me the NYK 2022 #1 unprotected, the Dallas pick, and the hornets #1 with Toppin I'd still need more say RJ Barrett to get me close to saying yes, and this is not hyperbolic exaggerations on my part.

And at that point I would say you can keep Turner. Its clear you want a superstar return for a guy whose a complimentary piece. A great one that would fit on many rosters to be sure but a complimentary piece nonetheless.

Not what I said, I don't want to trade Turner. People keep calling and asking for the guy. Those 3 picks if a deal was offered would likely be 1 #1 from the knicks in 22 and 3 2nds in 25, 26, and 27 as the Dallas pick and the Hornets pick could easily become 2nds if they don't convey by 2025. Toppin is not exactly setting the world on fire and RJ is ok but not really what I want if I'm trading Turner or Sabonis. So in reality Toppin, RJ and those picks is not that great of a return, I don't see how that is equivalent to asking for a "superstar."

[basketballwacko2]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do this. Doesn't the NYK hold the Hornets #1 in 2022 with top 19 protections? Even if you added it this is another had full of change for a dollar bill.

As good as Turner is, he's no superstar. He's a complimentary piece. I think adding a stretch 5 who can still block shots is the kind of complimentary piece that can help balance things for the Knicks. But still, a complimentary piece all the same. Much beyond what I offered is going to be an overpay.

Fact is Turner is the NBA leader in shots blocked, he changes many more shots quantity unknown. He plays excellent defense in addition to his shot blocking. He is also a very good 3 pt shooter. 2 #1 picks and a 2nd and Toppin sounds like a good return but the Dallas pick could be a 2nd if not conveyed by 2025 the 22 Hornets 2nd is a very minor asset, only the knicks pick if it was unprotected it's the only somewhat attractive asset you are offering. Plumlee and Ish Smith are never playing for the Pacers unless there are multiple injuries.

So what you offer is a hand full of "Meh."

[hugepatsfan]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do this. Doesn't the NYK hold the Hornets #1 in 2022 with top 19 protections? Even if you added it this is another had full of change for a dollar bill.

Turner is no penny but he's certainly no dollar either. He's a good player but he's not warranting the return of a "dollar" player. And I totally get not wanting to move him for any less than that if it's all he returns. But I don't think the valuations of him on here are at all realistic.

I'd say Convington to POR a couple years ago is best comparable for him.

[basketballwacko2]

Picks & Westbrook for Turner, Lamb, and Warren (or LeVert)


Picks -
2025 unprotected 1st round swap
2026 unprotected 1st Rd pick
2027 unprotected 1st Rd swap
2028 top 5 protected 1st Rd pick

The Pacers get to compete for the playoffs which they have historically cared about doing.
They're really good at drafting so having extra picks is a benefit.
Westbrook will put a few extra fans in the stands.
Worry- will he click with Carlisle?

Lakers get younger and huge upfront.
Turner can hold it down when AD is out.
Turner spreads the floor when necessary.
He can be Bosh 2.0

Russell Westbrook on the Indiana Pacers?

$44 million this year and $47 million next year even if Westy doesn't opt out.

There is no way. Westy does nothing for me. He's a very talented player but there is a reason that guy has been on 4 teams in the last 4 years.

[basketballwacko2]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do this. Doesn't the NYK hold the Hornets #1 in 2022 with top 19 protections? Even if you added it this is another had full of change for a dollar bill.

Turner is no penny but he's certainly no dollar either. He's a good player but he's not warranting the return of a "dollar" player. And I totally get not wanting to move him for any less than that if it's all he returns. But I don't think the valuations of him on here are at all realistic.

I'd say Convington to POR a couple years ago is best comparable for him.

If you read what I've said about Turner I don't want to trade him at all. So these Meh offers don't inspire me. And this notion that he's not a star only a roll player is dubious at best, because so many fans don't value what he does. He is the NBA leader in shots blocked. His inside defense screws teams up. If it wasn't for the fact that nobody else on the team plays even average defense the Pacers wouldn't blow leads and look like a gaggle of donkey's at times. I'd trade the entire starting line up before I'll trade Turner. So if someone wants him they're gonna have to over pay. You may not think he's a dollar bill, but that's your opinion.

[basketballwacko2]

I still like De'Aaron Fox as a trade target for the Pacers. He and Duarte would form the best backcourt they've had in a long, long time.

getting a PG from the Kings would help the Pacers but why would the Kings want to give up on one? are you thinking Mitchel is long term better than Fox or are you just going for a shorter contract?

FWIW Carlisle has said LeVert is good at either the 1 or the 2 but I haven't seen it.

This is the time to trade LeVert, he is putting up numbers and seems healthy. If someone gives me an expiring pg and a 2nd I'm on board with shipping him out.

I like Fox but hate his contract. He's gonna be making $30 million with raises starting next season with 4 fully guaranteed years. His 3 point shot is not that good. Give me Dejonte Murray over Fox 10 times out of 10. IF the Spurs would deal him as part of a package for Dom I'd consider it.

[Wizop]

I like Fox but hate his contract.

Agree. I'd also give Mitchell a long look if the Kings want to move a PG for a SG

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[pacers33granger]

Hornets trade:
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
remove protections from 2022 first round pick (Knicks)

Receive:
Kemba Walker
Mitchell Robinson

Why: Upgrade their 5 spot and their bench for the playoff run. Biggest cost is Kemba's extra year and even that is somewhat offset by the loss of Smith.


Knicks trade:
Kemba Walker (Hornets)
Mitchell Robinson (Hornets)
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Receive:
Myles Turner
removed protections from Charlotte first rounder

Why: Upgrade their center spot with a guy who can hit the 3 and still block shots. Hope that the Hornets collapse and the pick amounts to something of value right now but otherwise ensure they receive the pick this year regardless. Steep price to pay but I think this would open up the floor more for Randle.




Pacers trade:
Myles Turner (Knicks)

Receive:
Obi Toppin (Pacers)
Mason Plumlee (Pacers)
Ish Smith (Pacers)
2022 First Rounder from Knicks (Pacers)
2022 Second Rounder from Hornets (Pacers)
2023 First Rounder from Dallas (Pacers)

Why: Save some money. Get 3 picks including a potential late lotto pick and a prospect they can develop in Toppin whose having a bounce back year off the bench.

I can't imagine Indiana wanting to do this. Doesn't the NYK hold the Hornets #1 in 2022 with top 19 protections? Even if you added it this is another had full of change for a dollar bill.

Turner is no penny but he's certainly no dollar either. He's a good player but he's not warranting the return of a "dollar" player. And I totally get not wanting to move him for any less than that if it's all he returns. But I don't think the valuations of him on here are at all realistic.

I'd say Convington to POR a couple years ago is best comparable for him.

Covington was nearly 30 at the time of the trade and was coming off of a pretty bad season. I'd argue he's also never been as good as Myles is right now though I can understand others disagreeing. I don't think that deal is really comparable. He's not netting a star but a useless expiring and two mid firsts I'd light especially when high lotto picks have allegedly been offered in the recent past.

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