Siakim, Dragi for Allen and Love

[Madhouse]

He is. He's better than Evan Mobley right now and is the perfect long term partner beside him.

Allen is just a better asset than Pascal is right now, there's no reason to entertain that trade period lol.

Address the minimum two firsts for taking Loves contract, which you keep ignoring, then we can at least have a starting point. Lol.

That wasn't in his trade package lol.

Pascal
Dragic
Birch

for

Allen
Love
future 1st round pick (lotto protected), and future 2nd.

This would be brilliant. Where do I sign?

[Basketball_Jones]

Turner please, not Allen

[Darkseid]

Why is this a thread Cavs hang up on that deal

Mods?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

I'm unclear why this trade idea is not locked. OP, you know there is a thread for this

It's been 5 hours since I posted this. Should we be attempting to message the Mods directly here? I'm unfamiliar with protocol.

[Dalek]

I hate deals like this because I don't think Jarrett Allen has proven anything. Before dumping our near franchise level player for some average C that is probably at best a Javale McGee type, let's see how Toronto fares with a healthy Siakam. Toronto could easily surpass the Cavs over the next month, and you don't want to make them better by giving away our best player because you want to get out of his contract and want to fill positional need. Toronto wants to play with SF/PF that can pass, handle, and shoot, and can switch on defense. Allen runs counter to that.

I know people undervalued Demar while here, and Bosh too, but I don't think we need to go down the same path with Pascal. Toronto developed him from day one, and while he isn't our Giannis, he is more so our Kris Middleton: A great all-star level player who can change a playoff series. We don't even know if Jarrett Allen can stay on the court during a playoff series.

Siakam you can run an offense through for significant portions of game - he can also guard 1-5. It just seems weird that people sell so easily on the guy who was obviously having injuries and illness derail him a bit. If you do any trade at least replace the 20 PPG otherwise this anemic offense goes further downhill.

[bluerap23]

I guess Mods are on vacation

[realball]

Neither are the raptors since 2 way wings are way more valuable than Centers who can't play in the playoffs.

Possibly, but you can also end up with Marcus Smart outscoring said 2 way wing that flamed out in the playoffs. I'm sure the Cavs will rest happily with their bet on Allen.

And we can rest happy to have Siakam rather than a center who can't create anything offensively or play in any kind of playoffs series.
You're just being a prisoner of the moment.

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

[Mak]

Awful trade. Jarret makes 25m and his production can be replaced by a MLE player. Much harder to find a wing who can be second leading scorer on a finals team.

[vulture]

Possibly, but you can also end up with Marcus Smart outscoring said 2 way wing that flamed out in the playoffs. I'm sure the Cavs will rest happily with their bet on Allen.

And we can rest happy to have Siakam rather than a center who can't create anything offensively or play in any kind of playoffs series.
You're just being a prisoner of the moment.

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Unless you can get Jokic, embiid or maybe Gobert, the position is devalued that the Lakers are playing Lebron at center with DJ and Howard healthy. Do you guys even watch the league or just the raptors?

[youngRAPZ]

Possibly, but you can also end up with Marcus Smart outscoring said 2 way wing that flamed out in the playoffs. I'm sure the Cavs will rest happily with their bet on Allen.

And we can rest happy to have Siakam rather than a center who can't create anything offensively or play in any kind of playoffs series.
You're just being a prisoner of the moment.

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Do you think we can win a championship this year? Why do we need to trade for a center right now. Why do we need to trade Siakam today. Lol you people have no patience. We could easily draft a player better than Allan at the end of the year why give away Pascal.

Or maybe next season we draft a center and Barnes improves so much with his shooting and pascal returns to 36% all of a sudden your omg let’s trade Siakam asap looks kind of foolish.


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[realball]

And we can rest happy to have Siakam rather than a center who can't create anything offensively or play in any kind of playoffs series.
You're just being a prisoner of the moment.

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Do you think we can win a championship this year? Why do we need to trade for a center right now. Why do we need to trade Siakam today. Lol you people have no patience. We could easily draft a player better than Allan at the end of the year why give away Pascal.

Or maybe next season we draft a center and Barnes improves so much with his shooting and pascal returns to 36% all of a sudden your omg let’s trade Siakam asap looks kind of foolish.


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I didn't say we have to trade Siakam right away... Just saying that we two really good players at the same position and we're going to have to deal with that before we can become a winning team.

[Jay240]

I guess Mods are on vacation

They're in H&S Protocols. We need to sign some replacement Mods to 10 day hardship deals.

[youngRAPZ]

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Do you think we can win a championship this year? Why do we need to trade for a center right now. Why do we need to trade Siakam today. Lol you people have no patience. We could easily draft a player better than Allan at the end of the year why give away Pascal.

Or maybe next season we draft a center and Barnes improves so much with his shooting and pascal returns to 36% all of a sudden your omg let’s trade Siakam asap looks kind of foolish.


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I didn't say we have to trade Siakam right away... Just saying that we two really good players at the same position and we're going to have to deal with that before we can become a winning team.

I disagree with you I think we can become a good team with both on the team. Just like Cleavland became good with both Allen and Mobley. We haven’t even seen the OG Barnes Pascal Lineup for any length of time so I don’t know how you and so many others can just make up claims it won’t work.


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[realball]

And we can rest happy to have Siakam rather than a center who can't create anything offensively or play in any kind of playoffs series.
You're just being a prisoner of the moment.

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Unless you can get Jokic, embiid or maybe Gobert, the position is devalued that the Lakers are playing Lebron at center with DJ and Howard healthy. Do you guys even watch the league or just the raptors?

So you think we can survive with an OG-Siakam-Barnes front count long-term?

[vulture]

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Unless you can get Jokic, embiid or maybe Gobert, the position is devalued that the Lakers are playing Lebron at center with DJ and Howard healthy. Do you guys even watch the league or just the raptors?

So you think we can survive with an OG-Siakam-Barnes front count long-term?

This is not what this team will look like when it's ready to contend, but yes you want 6'6-6'9 guys who can switch and play 5 out in the playoffs.
Right now It's more than adequate to run with this frontcourt with the occasional Birch or Precious subs. The biggest need is Backup PG so Fred doesn't lead the league in mins.

[realball]

Do you think we can win a championship this year? Why do we need to trade for a center right now. Why do we need to trade Siakam today. Lol you people have no patience. We could easily draft a player better than Allan at the end of the year why give away Pascal.

Or maybe next season we draft a center and Barnes improves so much with his shooting and pascal returns to 36% all of a sudden your omg let’s trade Siakam asap looks kind of foolish.


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I didn't say we have to trade Siakam right away... Just saying that we two really good players at the same position and we're going to have to deal with that before we can become a winning team.

I disagree with you I think we can become a good team with both on the team. Just like Cleavland became good with both Allen and Mobley. We haven’t even seen the OG Barnes Pascal Lineup for any length of time so I don’t know how you and so many others can just make up claims it won’t work.


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Cleveland became good right away because Mobley showed the quickness to play PF right away, so Cleveland didn't have any positional logjams with Mobley/Allen like everyone was expecting.

We're the ones with the logjam. Siakam and Barnes are not suddenly going to be able to play C.

[ontnut]

Please make some more trade ideas for the rest of our players. I could use another good laugh.

[HiJiNX]

Possibly, but you can also end up with Marcus Smart outscoring said 2 way wing that flamed out in the playoffs. I'm sure the Cavs will rest happily with their bet on Allen.

And we can rest happy to have Siakam rather than a center who can't create anything offensively or play in any kind of playoffs series.
You're just being a prisoner of the moment.

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

This is kind of a tired narrative. This Raptors team has looked really good when both Precious and Birch have been available. We need a third C of course but we haven’t had many issues when our current Cs have actually been healthy together this year.

[youngRAPZ]

No, we can't rest happy without a C, that's kind of the problem here. Pascal and Barnes are not good enough offensively to make up for their lack of size defensively, we can't keep playing them together and expect to win. We need a C badly... obviously not Allen, there is no way the Cavs ever trade him with that contract.

Unless you can get Jokic, embiid or maybe Gobert, the position is devalued that the Lakers are playing Lebron at center with DJ and Howard healthy. Do you guys even watch the league or just the raptors?

So you think we can survive with an OG-Siakam-Barnes front count long-term?

I think this year we can survive with a lineup of

Birch
Siakam
Barnes
OG
VV

And long term I believe we can draft a center better than birch and move him to 3rd string

Drafted C (or FA MLE signing that fits)/precious/Birch
PS/Yuta
Barnes/Trent
Og/Trent
VV/Banton/Flynn


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[vulture]

I didn't say we have to trade Siakam right away... Just saying that we two really good players at the same position and we're going to have to deal with that before we can become a winning team.

I disagree with you I think we can become a good team with both on the team. Just like Cleavland became good with both Allen and Mobley. We haven’t even seen the OG Barnes Pascal Lineup for any length of time so I don’t know how you and so many others can just make up claims it won’t work.


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Cleveland became good right away because Mobley showed the quickness to play PF right away, so Cleveland didn't have any positional logjams with Mobley/Allen like everyone was expecting.

We're the ones with the logjam. Siakam and Barnes are not suddenly going to be able to play C.

Positions were created so people like you can follow the game. they don't mean anything.