2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

[namlede]

got to give Aaron Wiggins some love(not related to Andrew). Plays hard on defense, good size 6'5" 6'10 wingspan with functional athleticism. offensively he can shoot and has a decent handle. For a late 2nd rounder he could be something.

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[orlando_joe]

This was actually the first back to back 20 point performance of Mobley's career, 21 to be exact for tonight on 50% shooting to go along with five rebounds, two blocks and a steal. Cleveland is clearly missing Allen and Garland, but it's noteworthy to see how effective Mobley has been offensively since he's had to take on a bigger load. Makes me wonder what kind of numbers he would be putting up if he was the clear cut number one guy on the team (same could be said about Barnes though).

Also, I noticed Mobley was taking the ball up the court a lot for Cleveland tonight. Found that very interesting.

Hopefully, they don't ask him to do too much. I know Franz looked pretty gassed. 15 games this month and he handled the ball a lot.

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yea other rookies playing on fresh legs all have had 1 week breaks some with 2 different 1 week breaks ..franz played in every games looked gassed still scored 20 on 12 fg and doubled and harassed all night..for sure in need of 2 days off

[whitehops]

people like to cite the cavs and raps success as reasons why mobley and barnes are different from other rookies but the raps are 2-2 without barnes (and the two losses are their last two games with a G league roster) and the cavs are 3-5 without mobley.

the pistons are 0-8 without cade and haven't really been close to winning without him.

[God Squad]

people like to cite the cavs and raps success as reasons why mobley and barnes are different from other rookies but the raps are 2-2 without barnes (and the two losses are their last two games with a G league roster) and the cavs are 3-5 without mobley.

the pistons are 0-8 without cade and haven't really been close to winning without him.

The Raptor two wins came against the Wizards and the Knicks. But I'm confused on what you're suggesting or insinuating about Mobley/Barnes.

[God Squad]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

Franz with another cool and efficient 20 piece and 2-3 3pt line. I still think he's a poor rebounder for his size, and 1 assist isn't exactly appealing for 34 mins.

[Absinthe]

Wagner needs to develop a midrange jumper. He’s a pretty complete player already, but if he can develop a midrange shot where he pulls up as he’s driving he’s going to be tough to defend. Those Ginobili/Parker wacky floaters are wild.

[thelead]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

Franz with another cool and efficient 20 piece and 2-3 3pt line. I still think he's a poor rebounder for his size, and 1 assist isn't exactly appealing for 34 mins.

His rebounding could be better but he boxes out and let's his teammates grab the boards but that is sometimes a mistake (as his teammates fail to actually grab it but that isn't an issue if Cole is around ). He needs to shore that up. As for the assists tonight, for some reason (maybe fatigue?) coach Mosely kept him off-ball for most of the night so I'm not worried about that.

[God Squad]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

Franz with another cool and efficient 20 piece and 2-3 3pt line. I still think he's a poor rebounder for his size, and 1 assist isn't exactly appealing for 34 mins.

His rebounding could be better but he boxes out and let's his teammates grab the boards but that is sometimes a mistake (as his teammates fail to actually grab it but that isn't an issue if Cole is around ). He needs to shore that up. As for the assists tonight, for some reason (maybe fatigue?) coach Mosely kept him off-ball for most of the night so I'm not worried about that.

His passing is something you shouldn't worry about at all, the rebounding on the other hand has been an issue since the beginning. Franz's been balling and I still stand by my Hayward comp - Maybe better defense, with less passing chops.

Or white Middleton.

[TheLand13]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

He absolutely struggled not having Garldand/Rubio out there to set him up.

In the first quarter, he seemed to be unstoppable. He kept setting up his own shot and his mobility made him very difficult to defend. But once the Wizards tightened the defensive pressure, Mobley was only able to manage 7 points for the rest of the game after getting 14 in the first period. He had to force more opportunities and that limited his scoring output. Allen not being out there gave him a lot more shot opportunities, but he's not at that point yet where he can continuously dominate on the offensive end.

[thelead]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

Franz with another cool and efficient 20 piece and 2-3 3pt line. I still think he's a poor rebounder for his size, and 1 assist isn't exactly appealing for 34 mins.

His rebounding could be better but he boxes out and let's his teammates grab the boards but that is sometimes a mistake (as his teammates fail to actually grab it but that isn't an issue if Cole is around ). He needs to shore that up. As for the assists tonight, for some reason (maybe fatigue?) coach Mosely kept him off-ball for most of the night so I'm not worried about that.

His passing is something you shouldn't worry about at all, the rebounding on the other hand has been an issue since the beginning. Franz's been balling and I still stand by my Hayward comp - Maybe better defense, with less passing chops.

Or white Middleton.

No real disagreement on the rebounding part. Like I said, he boxes out but he needs to go and grab the damn board.

On the passing, I dunno... This kid see the court remarkably well:

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It seems like every game he shows a bit more too. This move tonight was quite impressive:

[God Squad]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

He absolutely struggled not having Garldand/Rubio out there to set him up.

In the first quarter, he seemed to be unstoppable. He kept setting up his own shot and his mobility made him very difficult to defend. But once the Wizards tightened the defensive pressure, Mobley was only able to manage 7 points for the rest of the game after getting 14 in the first period. He had to force more opportunities and that limited his scoring output. Allen not being out there gave him a lot more shot opportunities, but he's not at that point yet where he can continuously dominate on the offensive end.

Another question, clearly not having garland/Rubio affected the cavs scoring options and needed Mobley to take on a heavier burden. But I feel not having Allen was just as, if not more important defensively for him.

[God Squad]

His rebounding could be better but he boxes out and let's his teammates grab the boards but that is sometimes a mistake (as his teammates fail to actually grab it but that isn't an issue if Cole is around ). He needs to shore that up. As for the assists tonight, for some reason (maybe fatigue?) coach Mosely kept him off-ball for most of the night so I'm not worried about that.

His passing is something you shouldn't worry about at all, the rebounding on the other hand has been an issue since the beginning. Franz's been balling and I still stand by my Hayward comp - Maybe better defense, with less passing chops.

Or white Middleton.

No real disagreement on the rebounding part. Like I said, he boxes out but he needs to go and grab the damn board.

On the passing, I dunno... This kid see the court remarkably well:

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It seems like every game he shows a bit more too. This move tonight was quite impressive:

Like I said the passing isn't something to be worried about at all, But I don't see a strong/elite passer by any means per say. But he doesn't ball stop, he keeps it moving. That gif you posted is a thing beauty, the space he creates while hitting the shot is amazing.

[LoveMyRaps]

people like to cite the cavs and raps success as reasons why mobley and barnes are different from other rookies but the raps are 2-2 without barnes (and the two losses are their last two games with a G league roster) and the cavs are 3-5 without mobley.

the pistons are 0-8 without cade and haven't really been close to winning without him.

they haven't been close to winning with him either

[Kameleon]

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[TheLand13]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

He absolutely struggled not having Garldand/Rubio out there to set him up.

In the first quarter, he seemed to be unstoppable. He kept setting up his own shot and his mobility made him very difficult to defend. But once the Wizards tightened the defensive pressure, Mobley was only able to manage 7 points for the rest of the game after getting 14 in the first period. He had to force more opportunities and that limited his scoring output. Allen not being out there gave him a lot more shot opportunities, but he's not at that point yet where he can continuously dominate on the offensive end.

Another question, clearly not having garland/Rubio affected the cavs scoring options and needed Mobley to take on a heavier burden. But I feel not having Allen was just as, if not more important defensively for him.

What's the question here? If Allen not being there affected Mobley offensively in a negative way? If so, not really. Like I mentioned before, not having Allen there opened Mobley up with more offensive opportunities. But the problem is that he had to set up a lot of the shots himself, where as when Garland and Rubio are out there, he usually has an easier time getting his looks. But on the other hand, because Allen wasn't there, the paint wasn't as clogged and thus Mobley had room to work with, and it resulted in some nice plays inside.

Truth be told, due to Mobley's frame, I'd much rather that he continue to play the 4 spot while Allen stays at the 5. It allows Mobley to play a less physical style of basketball on the offensive end and gives him a reason to work on his midrange and outside game, which I think will be key to his offensive development.

[Wargreymon]

These rookie threads are so painful to go through and read. It's literally just Raps and Cavs fans flinging poop at each other and now that Wagner has been getting some shine, Raps and Cavs fans have teamed up to fling poop at Magic fans.

[God Squad]

These rookie threads are so painful to go through and read. It's literally just Raps and Cavs fans flinging poop at each other and now that Wagner has been getting some shine, Raps and Cavs fans have teamed up to fling poop at Magic fans.

You're low key making chit up. No one in the last few pages have "flung poop" at anyone. If anything it's people being complimentary towards the other rookies.

So don't troll and try and stir the pot.

[God Squad]

He absolutely struggled not having Garldand/Rubio out there to set him up.

In the first quarter, he seemed to be unstoppable. He kept setting up his own shot and his mobility made him very difficult to defend. But once the Wizards tightened the defensive pressure, Mobley was only able to manage 7 points for the rest of the game after getting 14 in the first period. He had to force more opportunities and that limited his scoring output. Allen not being out there gave him a lot more shot opportunities, but he's not at that point yet where he can continuously dominate on the offensive end.

Another question, clearly not having garland/Rubio affected the cavs scoring options and needed Mobley to take on a heavier burden. But I feel not having Allen was just as, if not more important defensively for him.

What's the question here? If Allen not being there affected Mobley offensively in a negative way? If so, not really. Like I mentioned before, not having Allen there opened Mobley up with more offensive opportunities. But the problem is that he had to set up a lot of the shots himself, where as when Garland and Rubio are out there, he usually has an easier time getting his looks. But on the other hand, because Allen wasn't there, the paint wasn't as clogged and thus Mobley had room to work with, and it resulted in some nice plays inside.

Truth be told, due to Mobley's frame, I'd much rather that he continue to play the 4 spot while Allen stays at the 5. It allows Mobley to play a less physical style of basketball on the offensive end and gives him a reason to work on his midrange and outside game, which I think will be key to his offensive development.

Basically what was more of a factor or issue for Mobley last night. Was it not having the guards to get him in position/offensive burden, or not having Allen as a defender/rebounder/helper. I get not having Allen in the paint opened up offensive touches, but like you said Mobes probably isn't ready for the 5 yet, plus he only had 5 rebs.

[basketballRob]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

Franz with another cool and efficient 20 piece and 2-3 3pt line. I still think he's a poor rebounder for his size, and 1 assist isn't exactly appealing for 34 mins.

Gillespie and Wendell Carter both started for the Magic, so it wasn't Franz's role to rebound. 90% of the games this season the Magic have started two centers.

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[God Squad]

Just looking at the Boxscore now, and it looks like Mobley had another balanced off/def game. But from looking at the box score it looks like he had tiny bit of difficulty without Rubio/Allen, is this true, or off base?

Franz with another cool and efficient 20 piece and 2-3 3pt line. I still think he's a poor rebounder for his size, and 1 assist isn't exactly appealing for 34 mins.

Gillespie and Wendell Carter both started for the Magic, so it wasn't Franz's role to rebound. 90% of the games this season the Magic have started two centers.

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Rob. Why do you think that because a team has other players that can rebound that it isn't Franz role to rebound? I'll never understand this thought process. Chit even another Magic fan think he could give more effort on that end, but you make excuses. Mind you, this isn't me disparaging is game, as he's played amazing all season.

I like most aspects of his game, but 6'10 and you routinely pull down 1-4 rebounds? But I guess since he plays with a C/PF he can't rebound better than guards.

Edit : Gillespie played 14mins lol. The only logical reason would be he's taking a bunch of long range shots and just not in a position to rebound, or just not giving enough effort on that end. Admittedly I didn't watch the game, so I'll leave it to Magic fans to educate me on the matter.