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Post#41 » by phillynative » Sat Dec 4, 2021 4:36 pm

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ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I've been saying this too...Maxey is very similar to Tony Parker/Lou Williams. He has similar traits to both of those players. I'm not going to complain at all about that if that is what his ceiling is. Both Parker and Williams were vastly underrated with how good they were in their prime years.


I dunno, who cares what players you can squint at to sort of see some vague similarities? Maxey obviously isn't a carbon copy of either--he relies way more on pure foot speed than either, to give just one example--and even if his game were a pretty close comparison to Lou Will's that doesn't tell us at all how good he is that role. I don't know, once we've seen hundreds of minutes of a player I don't get why we're still looking for comparisons--we know who this player is and what types of situations he can create or take advantage of, and we know what sort of things he'll have to do to turn that into a sustainable starting-quality NBA game. Just feels totally irrelevant to keep looking at other players at this point.


So your griping about people comparing a young developing player to a similar established player? Isn't that what literally every fan base does with young players? We know who Maxey is but not exactly who he can become , he just turned 21 and is not a finished product. Usually those players get compared to other players because they haven't reached a ceiling yet. We also have yet to put him in the 6th man role and this team right now is discombobulated.
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Re: Maxey and Embiid? 

Post#42 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Dec 4, 2021 11:57 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I've been saying this too...Maxey is very similar to Tony Parker/Lou Williams. He has similar traits to both of those players. I'm not going to complain at all about that if that is what his ceiling is. Both Parker and Williams were vastly underrated with how good they were in their prime years.


I dunno, who cares what players you can squint at to sort of see some vague similarities? Maxey obviously isn't a carbon copy of either--he relies way more on pure foot speed than either, to give just one example--and even if his game were a pretty close comparison to Lou Will's that doesn't tell us at all how good he is that role. I don't know, once we've seen hundreds of minutes of a player I don't get why we're still looking for comparisons--we know who this player is and what types of situations he can create or take advantage of, and we know what sort of things he'll have to do to turn that into a sustainable starting-quality NBA game. Just feels totally irrelevant to keep looking at other players at this point.


OK...Well...How bout this...I don't care what you think, I don't care how this post makes you feel. You're complaining because some of us were having a conversation about who Maxey compares to as a player. Think about it....Why is this really bothering you as much as it is? Some of us are quite hyped about him. THIS is a basketball forum where we talk about BASKETBALL. Comparisons are going to always be a thing whether YOU like it or not. Now squint on that one and have yourself a nice night.
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Post#43 » by rzzzzz » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:13 am

Tonight felt like their coming out party. This thing can really work.
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Post#44 » by Sixersftw » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:45 am

Read on Twitter
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Post#45 » by Bum Adebayo » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:16 am

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Not possible, people told me "any player would leave after all the criticism Simmons faced".

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Post#46 » by phillynative » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:35 am

rzzzzz wrote:Tonight felt like their coming out party. This thing can really work.


IF Maxey continues to launch 3s and improve his playmaking and 2man game with Embiid.
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Post#47 » by marcush » Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:54 am

At least Maxey is taking 3’s.

I don’t except great results with that form but after years of watching the coward turn down open shots …. every attempt is a relief.
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Post#48 » by Tomjas » Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:14 am

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Sixersftw wrote:
Read on Twitter


Not possible, people told me "any player would leave after all the criticism Simmons faced".

:dontknow:


lol

Simmons and Westbrook cop more criticism every day than Maxey will suffer in his entire career
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Post#49 » by eyeatoma » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:05 pm

Tomjas wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:
Sixersftw wrote:
Read on Twitter


Not possible, people told me "any player would leave after all the criticism Simmons faced".

:dontknow:


lol

Simmons and Westbrook cop more criticism every day than Maxey will suffer in his entire career
Bruh you seriously defending Westbrook?

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Post#50 » by Tomjas » Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:21 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:
Not possible, people told me "any player would leave after all the criticism Simmons faced".

:dontknow:


lol

Simmons and Westbrook cop more criticism every day than Maxey will suffer in his entire career
Bruh you seriously defending Westbrook?

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Nah

Just that there’s a world of difference between the pressure they’re under

Obviously, they’re rewarded for it but comparing Tyrese to them is just click bait
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Post#51 » by marcush » Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:00 pm

If Tyrese Maxey just refused to shoot the ball, I rekon the pressure would soon start to build.
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Post#52 » by rzzzzz » Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:36 pm

phillynative wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:Tonight felt like their coming out party. This thing can really work.


IF Maxey continues to launch 3s and improve his playmaking and 2man game with Embiid.


Kinda glad we didn’t make the trade before we got a sense of how good he can be. I’m sort of looking toward getting a forward now.
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Post#53 » by Sixersftw » Fri Dec 31, 2021 2:27 pm

Tomjas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
lol

Simmons and Westbrook cop more criticism every day than Maxey will suffer in his entire career
Bruh you seriously defending Westbrook?

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Nah

Just that there’s a world of difference between the pressure they’re under

Obviously, they’re rewarded for it but comparing Tyrese to them is just click bait


Not saying you're incorrect but Ben also earned every bit of that pressure and scrutiny. The pressure he's faced is due to his inability to confront, let alone remedy, his short comings.

Westbrook has as well but a lot of his criticism is because he is washed.
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Post#54 » by mjkvol » Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:44 pm

Tomjas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
lol

Simmons and Westbrook cop more criticism every day than Maxey will suffer in his entire career
Bruh you seriously defending Westbrook?

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Nah

Just that there’s a world of difference between the pressure they’re under

Obviously, they’re rewarded for it but comparing Tyrese to them is just click bait


If Ben had shown the slightest inclination to put in the hard work on his game to improve his weaknesses instead of saying "I am who I am", he not only wouldn't be getting this level of criticism, but he might actually be living up to his #1 pick status, his max contract, and all the promise of the generational player he could have been. Sorry, but the pressure comes with the territory.
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Post#55 » by Mik317 » Sat Jan 1, 2022 1:35 am

people would turn on Maxey if he stagnates as well.

**** Biid has an off night and half the fanbase wants him traded. Fans are fickle and only expect perfection.

HOWEVER, they also settle for effort. Maxey plays with enthusiasm and tries new ****. Ben is aloof and when he was faced with criticism (after years of everyone internally kissing his ass mind you) he decided he wanted out.
**** you mention Westbrook...if he had started his career here, he'd be a goddam legend...because he plays hard and with passion (results be damned).
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Post#56 » by eyeatoma » Sat Jan 1, 2022 9:30 am

Mik317 wrote:people would turn on Maxey if he stagnates as well.

**** Biid has an off night and half the fanbase wants him traded. Fans are fickle and only expect perfection.

HOWEVER, they also settle for effort. Maxey plays with enthusiasm and tries new ****. Ben is aloof and when he was faced with criticism (after years of everyone internally kissing his ass mind you) he decided he wanted out.
**** you mention Westbrook...if he had started his career here, he'd be a goddam legend...because he plays hard and with passion (results be damned).
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Post#57 » by Tomjas » Sat Jan 1, 2022 10:08 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Mik317 wrote:people would turn on Maxey if he stagnates as well.

**** Biid has an off night and half the fanbase wants him traded. Fans are fickle and only expect perfection.

HOWEVER, they also settle for effort. Maxey plays with enthusiasm and tries new ****. Ben is aloof and when he was faced with criticism (after years of everyone internally kissing his ass mind you) he decided he wanted out.
**** you mention Westbrook...if he had started his career here, he'd be a goddam legend...because he plays hard and with passion (results be damned).
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:lol:

Simmons has been the whipping boy for 5 years and the only time he wasn’t was when Brett Brown shouldered some of the blame

Westbrook would be exactly the same

Effort means nothing to our fanbase

Back in the day when Simmons was actually a basketballer, he played way harder than Tyrese or Joel every night

I like Maxey but he’s a turnstile

Joel has been load managed his entire career & the next time he sets a hard screen will be the first time

People hate Simmons because of what might have been not effort
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Post#58 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat Jan 1, 2022 12:53 pm

Bum Simmons was the 1st pick and making max money. Maxey was the 21st pick and making how much money again? yeah good luck.
Simmons playing way harder, absolutely not, he just has insane physical tools, quickness and stamina, talent traits that Maxey could only dream of having, but this is not a compliment on Simmons, it's just genetics, nothing he did to deserve it, pure luck that's all.
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Re: Maxey and Embiid? 

Post#59 » by youngcrev » Sat Jan 1, 2022 1:22 pm

I don't really think lack of effort is a fair criticism of Ben. In fact, I think it's a pretty silly one. You don't play defense at the level without a ton of effort. Or push the ball that hard in transition. Or get loose balls and deflections at that rate. He's quantifiably a high effort player.

What it comes down to is he was a that was billed as being a jumpshot away from being among the NBA elites, and he simply wasn't even willing to try in games. And that was the difference between this team having dynastic level talent, and being a good but not great team. Combine that with his attitude and coming up small in the playoffs, and yeah, clearly he's gonna catch a ton of **** in this city.

Maxey on the other hand is found money at this point. He's vastly over performing his draft slot. That said... He's also got the new toy thing going for him right now, where the sky is the limit for what he could become, and his weaknesses kinda get glossed over. Give it time (more specifically, if he ever ends with a big pay day), and people will start putting the magnifying glass on him.
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Post#60 » by mjkvol » Sat Jan 1, 2022 4:13 pm

Another thread being hijacked and turned into a forum on Simmons by you know who. Could the next timeout be permanent? Please?
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