Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

MotownMadness · Post #301 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:24 pm

I got Jabari #1, he's definitely more of a 4/3 than a 4/5 but his shooting touch at that size and length is nice.

MotownMadness · Post #302 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:50 pm

vic · Post #303 » by **vic** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:06 pm

my Jabari stock dropped just a couple spots.
I love his jumpshot, but I'm not sure if the Pistons need another guy that can't get to the rim. Eventually, jumpshot-only offensive guys get figured out. Jabari can't go left. Maybe he can add that to his game... but at this point I can't justify him #1 anymore. He's basically a taller Otto Porter. Otto Porter is an amazing player, a stretch 4... but #1 overall?

My Chet stock is up. Just his 2point % being elite, and his blocking shots without fouling (also elite), and the fact that he's playing right now with another dominant big clogging things up. This just shows me that when Chet is on a spaced out NBA court his skillset and IQ is going to shine even more. You need that 7 foot skill based unicorn on both ends to eventually win championships.

Ivey is amazing. Not just box office, but super-productive.

Paolo is #4 for me because the above 3 are all plus defenders. And Paolo is the least efficient scorer and has the lowest assist numbers, lowest 3 point rate.

1. Chet
2. Ivey
3. Jabari
Can't go wrong with either of these 3.
4. Paolo

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paolo-banchero--chet-holmgren--jaden-ivey--jabari-smith

AnnArborpiston · Post #304 » by **AnnArborpiston** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:57 pm

Give me Ivy all day, and try to keep Grant. Ivy has the potential that we all saw in Jalen Green, but he also has a pass first mentality, which is much better to pair with Cade.

Cade/Lee
Ivy/Hayes
Bey/Diallo
Grant/KO
Free Agent/Stew

Manocad · Post #305 » by **Manocad** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:21 pm

AnnArborpiston wrote:Give me Ivy all day, and try to keep Grant. Ivy has the potential that we all saw in Jalen Green, but he also has a pass first mentality, which is much better to pair with Cade.

Cade/Lee
Ivy/Hayes
Bey/Diallo
Grant/KO
Free Agent 7' defensive/rebounding monster/Stew

There. Modified that just a bit.

bstein14 · Post #306 » by **bstein14** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:24 pm

NYPiston wrote:
Moses ShamMoses wrote:I'm going on record of not being sold on Holmgren in the top 5. Aside from the obvious physical concerns, his highlights aren't that impressive.

I remember having similar feelings about Stanley Johnson when he came out going straight at guys, overpowering them at the college-level. Chet isn't doing anything special other than using his length to shoot over college players.

It's hard to evaluate Chet because he's on a stacked team with a bunch of upperclassmen who are go to guys so he's a role player on that team. In the NBA, he'll be more featured especially on a rebuilding team so I wouldn't pay much attention to his college stats. His evaluation will be almost entirely based on projection but with that said, I share your concerns in regards to his physicality in particular. Still, I think he has a lot to offer as a stretch big that can provide a lot of length in the lane.

100% He didn't do himself any favors going to Gonzaga, unless he's really not that good. Most freshman that are going to be one and done guys want a chance to get big minutes and get up shots as a Freshman to help their draft status. Unless of course he isn't that good and would look bad in an expanded role... its going to be hard to say for sure. Also, the WCC is a pretty big step down from the Big Ten or ACC... Not saying that Gonzaga isn't a really good team, but a lot of the guys he will be going against the next few months aren't that good.... and a lot of the WCC teams have a bunch of players in the 6'0 " to 6'5" range usually there are only a few of those guys on NBA teams. His height is going to be exaggerated in the WCC.

bstein14 · Post #307 » by **bstein14** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:32 pm

It seems like we're starting to get a consensus top 4 among NBA mock drafts. Jabari Smith, Paola Banchero, Chet Holmgrem and Jaden Ivey... not in any particular order but those seem to be the top 4 at the top of 4 out of 5 mocks at the moment. No one from this group has really separated themselves from the pack at this point.

Jaden Hardy has shot really poorly in the G League, and lets face it right now half that league is playing in the NBA anyways so his competition isn't that great down there. He has more TOs per game than assists and he overall looks much worse than Jalen Green did last season. I still think he has a lot of potential but he has mostly fallen out of top 5 pick talk and might be a bit more of a project working on that shot.

MotownMadness · Post #308 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:00 pm

His shot is butter

Watch on YouTube

DNice68 · Post #309 » by **DNice68** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 2:35 am

AnnArborpiston wrote:Give me Ivy all day, and try to keep Grant. Ivy has the potential that we all saw in Jalen Green, but he also has a pass first mentality, which is much better to pair with Cade.

Cade/Lee
Ivy/Hayes
Bey/Diallo
Grant/KO
Free Agent/Stew

People think drafting Ivy would be the end of Hayes getting starting minutes. I don’t think so, a lot of teams are playing big guards at forward(Edwards in Minny). I think Cade may play the 3, Ivy the 2, and Hayes the 1 in a lot of games.

zeebneeb · Post #310 » by **zeebneeb** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 3:19 am

MotownMadness wrote:His shot is butter

Watch on YouTube

Damn. High motor. Legit size(6'10 220lbs). Three level scorer. Sweet shooting mechanics.

Only thing I didn't see there, was his defense, or rebounding really, but with that said, his per 40 stats are absolutely insane.

Swing Grant for a legit Center, or someone with legitimate size and have Smith and other big up front, and now you've got something special.

Still haven't done the deep dive I've done over the past two years, but I'm gonna have to start as there is absolutely nothing to look forward to this season except for the knowledge that the Pistons are landing another top 5 pick, so I need to get my lineup together.

Starting to look like if the Pistons land in the top 4, they are going to come away with a prize, and that makes me feel pretty damn good about this horror show of a season.

mattao313 · Post #311 » by **mattao313** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 4:12 pm

Why is jabari smith 2pt% low does he take a lot of mid range jumpers or he can't finish.

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FloridaMan78 · Post #312 » by **FloridaMan78** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 4:34 pm

mattao313 wrote:Why is jabari smith 2pt% low does he take a lot of mid range jumpers or he can't finish.

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He relies on his jumper. The question is, is his jumper that elite that it doesn’t matter. Here’s a good article on it.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/a-better-understanding-jabari-smith

mattao313 · Post #313 » by **mattao313** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 4:36 pm

DNice68 wrote:
AnnArborpiston wrote:Give me Ivy all day, and try to keep Grant. Ivy has the potential that we all saw in Jalen Green, but he also has a pass first mentality, which is much better to pair with Cade.

Cade/Lee
Ivy/Hayes
Bey/Diallo
Grant/KO
Free Agent/Stew

People think drafting Ivy would be the end of Hayes getting starting minutes. I don’t think so, a lot of teams are playing big guards at forward(Edwards in Minny). I think Cade may play the 3, Ivy the 2, and Hayes the 1 in a lot of games.

I don't think he deserves to start next year unless he earns it.

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mattao313 · Post #314 » by **mattao313** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 4:36 pm

FloridaMan78 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:Why is jabari smith 2pt% low does he take a lot of mid range jumpers or he can't finish.

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He relies on his jumper. The question is, is his jumper that elite that it doesn’t matter. Here’s a good article on it.

https://theboxandone.substack.com/p/a-better-understanding-jabari-smith

Thanks

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Manocad · Post #315 » by **Manocad** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 5:14 pm

mattao313 wrote:
DNice68 wrote:
AnnArborpiston wrote:Give me Ivy all day, and try to keep Grant. Ivy has the potential that we all saw in Jalen Green, but he also has a pass first mentality, which is much better to pair with Cade.

Cade/Lee
Ivy/Hayes
Bey/Diallo
Grant/KO
Free Agent/Stew

People think drafting Ivy would be the end of Hayes getting starting minutes. I don’t think so, a lot of teams are playing big guards at forward(Edwards in Minny). I think Cade may play the 3, Ivy the 2, and Hayes the 1 in a lot of games.
I don't think he deserves to start next year unless he earns it.

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That's the rationale for a team shooting for a playoff run, i.e. putting the lineup best-suited for winning games on the floor every night. That's not the rationale used for a team trying to develop a lot of young players. By that logic Cojo should start over Hayes and regardless of what you think of Hayes, I don't think many of us would support starting Cojo over Hayes if it came down to that exact decision. There's no point in it.

whitehops · Post #316 » by **whitehops** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 8:14 pm

vic wrote:my Jabari stock dropped just a couple spots.
I love his jumpshot, but I'm not sure if the Pistons need another guy that can't get to the rim. Eventually, jumpshot-only offensive guys get figured out. Jabari can't go left. Maybe he can add that to his game... but at this point I can't justify him #1 anymore. He's basically a taller Otto Porter. Otto Porter is an amazing player, a stretch 4... but #1 overall?

yeah i kept reading the jabari at #1 hype and was like... huh? one of the reasons i'm wary of paolo is because he could be a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of player and jabari is showing that he's a potentially great shooter but everything else inside the arc comes in flashes and is inconsistent. i'll probably get a lot of flak for this but jabari seems like a slightly more athletic, slightly more dynamic saddiq bey.

chet and ivey at least have elite traits that should translate to the league. i can't wait to see what chet's reach is because he makes it look so easy defending the rim and finishing near the rim. there's obviously the question about his body but if he can even come close to gobert defensively plus his offensive potential (which to me is a great finisher in the paint, can hit the open 3 and pass decently) then you have a great franchise center. ivey's athleticism will be in the elite tier from day one and shouldn't have much trouble getting where he wants on the court. it's tough to say what his ceiling/floor is but he seems to have great intangibles and a good skill set to go along with his athleticism.

Manocad · Post #317 » by **Manocad** » Sat Jan 1, 2022 9:55 pm

Chet is definitely going to have to put on some weight to be able to defend NBA bigs one on one in the post. Obviously with athleticism and reach he can be a rail and still be a great weak side defender or paint protector against a driving guard or forward, but you can watch him get bumped off his position in the post pretty easily. And when that happens the offensive player can easily just hit a little fade and negate his height and reach.

mattao313 · Post #318 » by **mattao313** » Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:06 am

Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
DNice68 wrote:People think drafting Ivy would be the end of Hayes getting starting minutes. I don’t think so, a lot of teams are playing big guards at forward(Edwards in Minny). I think Cade may play the 3, Ivy the 2, and Hayes the 1 in a lot of games.
I don't think he deserves to start next year unless he earns it.

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That's the rationale for a team shooting for a playoff run, i.e. putting the lineup best-suited for winning games on the floor every night. That's not the rationale used for a team trying to develop a lot of young players. By that logic Cojo should start over Hayes and regardless of what you think of Hayes, I don't think many of us would support starting Cojo over Hayes if it came down to that exact decision. There's no point in it.

As a 3rd year player he couldn't beat out a rookie and Corey Joseph something is very wrong. No point in gifting minutes to a guy not making progress.

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Manocad · Post #319 » by **Manocad** » Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:17 am

mattao313 wrote:
Manocad wrote:
mattao313 wrote:I don't think he deserves to start next year unless he earns it.

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That's the rationale for a team shooting for a playoff run, i.e. putting the lineup best-suited for winning games on the floor every night. That's not the rationale used for a team trying to develop a lot of young players. By that logic Cojo should start over Hayes and regardless of what you think of Hayes, I don't think many of us would support starting Cojo over Hayes if it came down to that exact decision. There's no point in it.
As a 3rd year player he couldn't beat out a rookie and Corey Joseph something is very wrong. No point in gifting minutes to a guy not making progress.

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No way would I give Cojo minutes over even a third year player. And the Pistons probably won't either.

ducler · Post #320 » by **ducler** » Sun Jan 2, 2022 11:08 am

I'd took Chet, he this year or Wembanyama next year, but more realistically Chet this year and Emoni next year as I hope to see us improve in Cade year 2.

Stew can be a great compliment to Chet in our frontcourt BTW.

Stewart
Holmgren
Bey
Bates
Cunningham

With Hayes and Diallo off the bench, or Bey/Bates off the bench and Hayes as a starter.