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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#821 » by falcolombardi » Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:21 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Curry's scoring diversity seems to have taken a significant dive this year.

66% (!!!) of his shots have come from 3 this year, by far a career high. Last year it was 59%, and his career high before this year was 60% in 2019. Obviously this means a career low attempts from 2pt range.

13% of his shots at the rim, lowest since 2013, and only shooting 59% on them, close to a career low and lowest since 2013.

He's essentially relying just on the 3 to score this year, and he's Steph Curry so it still works but some signs of decline here imo. He really needs Klay to come back to carry some of the scoring load.


so he is off ball harden now? weird
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Post#822 » by Colbinii » Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:37 pm

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MisterHibachi wrote:Curry's scoring diversity seems to have taken a significant dive this year.

66% (!!!) of his shots have come from 3 this year, by far a career high. Last year it was 59%, and his career high before this year was 60% in 2019. Obviously this means a career low attempts from 2pt range.

13% of his shots at the rim, lowest since 2013, and only shooting 59% on them, close to a career low and lowest since 2013.

He's essentially relying just on the 3 to score this year, and he's Steph Curry so it still works but some signs of decline here imo. He really needs Klay to come back to carry some of the scoring load.


so he is off ball harden now? weird


This is what happens when you age and can't get to the rim as consistently.

Curry is posting his lowest FGA Rate at the rim since 2013 and shooting a career LOW from midrange. Reggie Miller followed a similar trend.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#823 » by eminence » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:56 pm

eminence wrote:I’m having a tough time picking my last few, but I think there are 10 I’d really like from each conference as of now. Would like to get a Memphis guy in, but not sold on any as of now. Would probably have picked George, but he’s out for the next ~month.

West:
Curry/CP3
Mitchell/Booker
Bridges
LeBron/Draymond
Jokic/Gobert/Towns

East:
Garland/Young
Jrue/Harden
DeRozan/Butler
KD/Tatum
Giannis/Embiid


Still feeling good about most of these picks after a day or two to think. Think Conley has a strong case as the #11 in the West, and I'd lean towards a Grizz player for #12.

I think I'd add Ball and FVV to my East list.

Roster balances aren't perfect, but seem pretty good.

Suns/Jazz with 3
Nets/Bucks/Warriors with 2
Bulls/Heat/Cavs/Sixers/Hornets/Celtics/Raptors/Hawks/Grizz/Nuggets/Lakers/Wolves with 1 each

Wizards/Knicks/Pacers/Magic/Pistons/Clippers/Mavs/Spurs/Kings/Blazers/Pelicans/Thunder/Rockets without any.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#824 » by GSP » Sat Jan 1, 2022 5:41 am

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eminence wrote:I’m having a tough time picking my last few, but I think there are 10 I’d really like from each conference as of now. Would like to get a Memphis guy in, but not sold on any as of now. Would probably have picked George, but he’s out for the next ~month.

West:
Curry/CP3
Mitchell/Booker
Bridges
LeBron/Draymond
Jokic/Gobert/Towns

East:
Garland/Young
Jrue/Harden
DeRozan/Butler
KD/Tatum
Giannis/Embiid


Still feeling good about most of these picks after a day or two to think. Think Conley has a strong case as the #11 in the West, and I'd lean towards a Grizz player for #12.

I think I'd add Ball and FVV to my East list.

Roster balances aren't perfect, but seem pretty good.

Suns/Jazz with 3
Nets/Bucks/Warriors with 2
Bulls/Heat/Cavs/Sixers/Hornets/Celtics/Raptors/Hawks/Grizz/Nuggets/Lakers/Wolves with 1 each

Wizards/Knicks/Pacers/Magic/Pistons/Clippers/Mavs/Spurs/Kings/Blazers/Pelicans/Thunder/Rockets without any.


What about Porzingis? i agree none of those other teams should have an allstar rep but Kp might deserve one over a Grizz or Conley IMO
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#825 » by GSP » Sat Jan 1, 2022 5:45 am

Statlanta wrote:I don't think Carlisle has been exposed, relying on Eastern conference players when your competition is stealing Western Conference talent has left several teams(Toronto, Indiana, Boston, New York, Atlanta) exposed.


He cant win close games without Dirk or Luka

2-11 in games decides by 2 possessions now. Biggest reasons Pacers have been top 3 biggest flops of the season. Their over/under for the season was 42.5 and theyre solidly 13 seed at 14-22. They need to play at a 63 win pace the rest of the way to match that over/under :lol: :lol: :lol: Only 5 teams league wide have worse records...
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#826 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jan 1, 2022 5:51 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Curry's scoring diversity seems to have taken a significant dive this year.

66% (!!!) of his shots have come from 3 this year, by far a career high. Last year it was 59%, and his career high before this year was 60% in 2019. Obviously this means a career low attempts from 2pt range.

13% of his shots at the rim, lowest since 2013, and only shooting 59% on them, close to a career low and lowest since 2013.

He's essentially relying just on the 3 to score this year, and he's Steph Curry so it still works but some signs of decline here imo. He really needs Klay to come back to carry some of the scoring load.


So, I think this is certainly what we expect with age and thus I expect you're pointing to a real trend...but we are also talking about the Warriors being dramatically better offensively this year compared to last year. As such, I'd urge caution in interpreting Curry's numbers as if the only cause here is Curry getting older.

Consider the TS Add of the Warriors the past two years:

'20-21: +164.1 in 72 games
'21-22: +190.2 in 34 games

That's a dramatic improvement, and so practically speaking it's not the case that the Warriors are struggling to get good shots this year.

Is Curry's supporting cast more effective this year? Absolutely, and those players deserve credit for this...but they are doing this in a Curry-defined environment. We don't just "know" this because of reputation, Curry's +/- lead over the rest of the team is more dramatic than we've ever seen before:

'21-22: Curry +375, 2nd Place +188 (Green)
'20-21: Curry +242, 2nd Place +241 (Green)
'19-20: injured
'18-19: Curry +690, 2nd Place +660 (Durant)
'17-18: Curry +483, 2nd Place +397 (Thompson)
'16-17: Curry +1013, 2nd Place +820 (Green)
'15-16: Green +1071, 2nd Place +1022 (Curry)
'14-15: Curry +921, 2nd Palce +833 (Green)

Now, all typical caveats about raw +/- being overly simplistic and much depending on who each guy is playing with. Kerr used to be known for playing Curry & Green together as much as possible, now that's not the case.

But I think we're seeing quite clearly is that the Warriors are a more effective scoring team than last year on the back of the entire team basically being able to take advantage of Curry's gravity as a matter of course.

None of this is to say that Klay won't help, because if nothing else, Klay gives you the possibility of having a closer Curry-approximation when Curry's on the bench, but as a team, the story of this season is most definitely not of the Warrior offense sputtering.

The story continues to be how freakishly good the Warriors are able to play when they can rely on Curry dominating the defense's attention, and how differently the Warrior scheme works than basically any other in the league.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#827 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jan 1, 2022 5:56 pm

Statlanta wrote:I don't think Carlisle has been exposed, relying on Eastern conference players when your competition is stealing Western Conference talent has left several teams(Toronto, Indiana, Boston, New York, Atlanta) exposed.


I mean, Carlisle's new team has a better ORtg than his old team is right now despite having no one on his new roster I'd want to build an offense around. When I think of people associated with the Dallas Mavericks in '20-21, and I think of who is most disappointing this year, it's no contest.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#828 » by eminence » Sat Jan 1, 2022 6:18 pm

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eminence wrote:
eminence wrote:I’m having a tough time picking my last few, but I think there are 10 I’d really like from each conference as of now. Would like to get a Memphis guy in, but not sold on any as of now. Would probably have picked George, but he’s out for the next ~month.

West:
Curry/CP3
Mitchell/Booker
Bridges
LeBron/Draymond
Jokic/Gobert/Towns

East:
Garland/Young
Jrue/Harden
DeRozan/Butler
KD/Tatum
Giannis/Embiid


Still feeling good about most of these picks after a day or two to think. Think Conley has a strong case as the #11 in the West, and I'd lean towards a Grizz player for #12.

I think I'd add Ball and FVV to my East list.

Roster balances aren't perfect, but seem pretty good.

Suns/Jazz with 3
Nets/Bucks/Warriors with 2
Bulls/Heat/Cavs/Sixers/Hornets/Celtics/Raptors/Hawks/Grizz/Nuggets/Lakers/Wolves with 1 each

Wizards/Knicks/Pacers/Magic/Pistons/Clippers/Mavs/Spurs/Kings/Blazers/Pelicans/Thunder/Rockets without any.


What about Porzingis? i agree none of those other teams should have an allstar rep but Kp might deserve one over a Grizz or Conley IMO


I could see a case over a Grizz member on individual play, but it'd be by a slim margin and I'd rather reward the overachieving 4 seed than the underachieving 8 seed. I don't see any case over Conley. Brunson has probably been the most valuable Mav over the season.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#829 » by LukaTheGOAT » Sat Jan 1, 2022 9:56 pm

On the Ja Morant situation in Memphis
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Post#830 » by eminence » Sat Jan 1, 2022 10:10 pm

Hey Ben, if you're still floating around here I'm still waiting for a vid on the Jazz offense from this season.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#831 » by GSP » Sat Jan 1, 2022 10:52 pm

eminence wrote:Hey Ben, if you're still floating around here I'm still waiting for a vid on the Jazz offense from this season.


He touched on it with Koc

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#832 » by eminence » Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:44 am

I've been fairly critical of DeMar in the past.

None of it this season, dude has been playing out of his mind.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#833 » by GSP » Sun Jan 2, 2022 2:48 am

This season has been a wet dream for Demar fans........ it makes no sense how the Bulls are playing and they havent missed a beat without Lonzo or Caruso now
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#834 » by feyki » Sun Jan 2, 2022 7:53 am

Heat with/Butler in 21 games, +7,6 MOV
Heat without Butler in 15 games, -0,8 MOV

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Post#835 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Jan 2, 2022 1:25 pm

Re: curry’s scoring diversity: he’s playing way less pick and roll than he did last year and has been playing primarily off-ball. Basically he’s playing in a far different role compared to what he was doing last year.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#836 » by GSP » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:19 am

This season is a big hit on Carlisles legacy IMO i always thought he was overrated but goddamn hes been horrible

PACERS 1-12 IN GAMES DECIDED BY 4PTS

holy **** hes literally clueless without Dirk or Luka :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#837 » by falcolombardi » Mon Jan 3, 2022 1:43 am

clutch stats are probably luck for the most part tbh, but 1-12 is still a perplexing resut
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#838 » by eminence » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:11 am

Carlisle had one of the 'worst' all-time clutch performances they season they drafted Luka as well.

I legitimately believe it's on purpose.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#839 » by LukaTheGOAT » Mon Jan 3, 2022 2:25 am

This year's PS could be a legacy defining run for Demar. I don't buy the Bulls being better than the Nets, Bucks, and probably would put the Heat ahead of them as well...but if the Bulls could somehow find their way to the conference finals or even NBA finals, I can see many of Derozan's past playoff struggles being forgotten when people think reminisce over his career.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#840 » by falcolombardi » Mon Jan 3, 2022 4:59 pm

this is the most irrelevant "milestone"in the history of milestones but as a curiosity jokic is no longer in pace to destroy the all time PER record, giannis actually is catching up (jokic still can break the record, just not on pace to destroy it)

he still has a sizable lead on giannis in BPM with a ridículous 13 BPM

i rarely worry much about boxscore aggregates but is cool to see records get broken

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