2022 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

The largest concern with Chet is his weight and Mobley is not much bigger, also a smaller player for his height and length and he is handling the physicality of the league and defending at a high level. I'm not letting a guy like this drop if I'm picking because of a few pounds.

okay that's fine, but Mobley and Chet have literally nothing to do with with each other as players. what Mobley is doing in the NBA has nothing to do with Chet as a prospect.

[Ruzious]

The largest concern with Chet is his weight and Mobley is not much bigger, also a smaller player for his height and length and he is handling the physicality of the league and defending at a high level. I'm not letting a guy like this drop if I'm picking because of a few pounds.

There is a significant difference in weight, but in addition to that is their frame and builds. Chet doesn't have the athletic build that Mobley does. Chet's a fascinating prospect but very different from Mobley.

[EMG518]

The largest concern with Chet is his weight and Mobley is not much bigger, also a smaller player for his height and length and he is handling the physicality of the league and defending at a high level. I'm not letting a guy like this drop if I'm picking because of a few pounds.

okay that's fine, but Mobley and Chet have literally nothing to do with with each other as players. what Mobley is doing in the NBA has nothing to do with Chet as a prospect.

They are both rim protecting, long, 4/5s with alot of skills and have very narrow builds which don't carry alot of weight.

They have alot to do with each other.

[EMG518]

The largest concern with Chet is his weight and Mobley is not much bigger, also a smaller player for his height and length and he is handling the physicality of the league and defending at a high level. I'm not letting a guy like this drop if I'm picking because of a few pounds.

There is a significant difference in weight, but in addition to that is their frame and builds. Chet doesn't have the athletic build that Mobley does. Chet's a fascinating prospect but very different from Mobley.

I disagree, I don't believe their weight discrepancy to play a large factor as its not that much when factoring in their size nor do I think Mobley is particularly athletic. He is very similar athletically to Chet. They are athletic for their size but compared to others in the league, it's really the size and length with their instincts that make them special.

[falcolombardi]

how good is lee hyun-jung

i am honestly curious because a second elite shooter coming out of davidson after steph would be a really cool story

[DCasey91]

The largest concern with Chet is his weight and Mobley is not much bigger, also a smaller player for his height and length and he is handling the physicality of the league and defending at a high level. I'm not letting a guy like this drop if I'm picking because of a few pounds.

There is a significant difference in weight, but in addition to that is their frame and builds. Chet doesn't have the athletic build that Mobley does. Chet's a fascinating prospect but very different from Mobley.

I disagree, I don't believe their weight discrepancy to play a large factor as its not that much when factoring in their size nor do I think Mobley is particularly athletic. He is very similar athletically to Chet. They are athletic for their size but compared to others in the league, it's really the size and length with their instincts that make them special.

Mobley has a much better build (not far off skinny KG/AD tbh in fact about the same).

Chet on other hand from the knees down is a worry. T Prince composition would be the ideal outcome.

[clyde21]

1/2 update

T1:
1 Jabari Smith Jr.

T2:
2 Paolo Banchero
3 Chet Holmgren

T3:
4 Jaden Ivey
5 Kendall Brown
6 Max Christie

T4:
7 Johnny Davis
8 Kennedy Chandler
9 Nikola Jovic
10 Patrick Baldwin Jr.
11 Caleb Houstan
12 Ousmane Dieng
13 Dyson Daniels
14 Tari Eason
15 Bennedict Mathurin
16 Moussa Diabate

[zimpy27]

The top 3 look great. I'd be surprised if any drop out of the top 3 but I would also not be surprised that once in the NBA there will be other players in this draft that will be better than some of those top 3.

[The-Power]

The top 3 look great.

Who are the top 3?

[NYPiston]

The top 3 look great. I'd be surprised if any drop out of the top 3 but I would also not be surprised that once in the NBA there will be other players in this draft that will be better than some of those top 3.

Who is your top 3 because the top 4 varies a lot depending on who you ask. I don't see a clear top 3 is what I'm saying basically.

[zimpy27]

The top 3 look great.

Who are the top 3?

Smith, Paolo, Chet

[The-Power]

The top 3 look great.

Who are the top 3?

Smith, Paolo, Chet

Is that yours or are you referring to consensus? I – and a lot of others at least on this board – have Jaden Ivey in that top 3. I also don't agree that the top 3 you listed ‘look great’ but everyone has their own take on it, of course.

[zimpy27]

Who are the top 3?

Smith, Paolo, Chet

Is that yours or are you referring to consensus? I – and a lot of others at least on this board – have Jaden Ivey in that top 3. I also don't agree that the top 3 you listed ‘look great’ but everyone has their own take on it, of course.

Pretty much most boards have it that way that I've seen. Who do you have Ivey in over?

[The-Power]

Smith, Paolo, Chet

Is that yours or are you referring to consensus? I – and a lot of others at least on this board – have Jaden Ivey in that top 3. I also don't agree that the top 3 you listed ‘look great’ but everyone has their own take on it, of course.

Pretty much most boards have it that way that I've seen. Who do you have Ivey in over?

I have Idey over anyone and feel quite good about it. I think he has arguably the highest upside if he hits and his profile (athletic combo guard with decent size and good effort who can create shots and is not a shooting-liability) has the fewest concerns to me. I'd have Smith in my top 3, too. So it's either Chet or Paolo – or both – that are out. I'd be somewhat scared to draft Chet but I'm not too bullish on Paolo's upside. It's wait-and-see for me on both but I wouldn't be surprised if neither ends up in my top 3 (even though the competition isn't particularly strong this year either, so who knows).

[zimpy27]

Is that yours or are you referring to consensus? I – and a lot of others at least on this board – have Jaden Ivey in that top 3. I also don't agree that the top 3 you listed ‘look great’ but everyone has their own take on it, of course.

Pretty much most boards have it that way that I've seen. Who do you have Ivey in over?

I have Idey over anyone and feel quite good about it. I think he has arguably the highest upside if he hits and his profile (athletic combo guard with decent size and good effort who can create shots and is not a shooting-liability) has the fewest concerns to me. I'd have Smith in my top 3, too. So it's either Chet or Paolo – or both – that are out. I'd be somewhat scared to draft Chet but I'm not too bullish on Paolo's upside. It's wait-and-see for me on both but I wouldn't be surprised if neither ends up in my top 3 (even though the competition isn't particularly strong this year either, so who knows).

Ivey is a sophomore and doesn't look like a great shooter. What's the main appeal with him? Athleticism? What's his elite NBA skillset?

[Duke4life831]

Pretty much most boards have it that way that I've seen. Who do you have Ivey in over?

I have Idey over anyone and feel quite good about it. I think he has arguably the highest upside if he hits and his profile (athletic combo guard with decent size and good effort who can create shots and is not a shooting-liability) has the fewest concerns to me. I'd have Smith in my top 3, too. So it's either Chet or Paolo – or both – that are out. I'd be somewhat scared to draft Chet but I'm not too bullish on Paolo's upside. It's wait-and-see for me on both but I wouldn't be surprised if neither ends up in my top 3 (even though the competition isn't particularly strong this year either, so who knows).

Ivey is a sophomore and doesn't look like a great shooter. What's the main appeal with him? Athleticism? What's his elite NBA skillset?

He’s a sophomore but his age isn’t all that different than many in the freshman class. He’s only a couple months older than Chet.

His quickness will still be elite even in the NBA. I agree he has question marks about his shooting, but he’s a 6’4 guard with a 6’9.5” wingspan who is lightening quick and has a pretty tight handle and really good body control. He’s also a very good defender as well.

[The-Power]

Pretty much most boards have it that way that I've seen. Who do you have Ivey in over?

I have Idey over anyone and feel quite good about it. I think he has arguably the highest upside if he hits and his profile (athletic combo guard with decent size and good effort who can create shots and is not a shooting-liability) has the fewest concerns to me. I'd have Smith in my top 3, too. So it's either Chet or Paolo – or both – that are out. I'd be somewhat scared to draft Chet but I'm not too bullish on Paolo's upside. It's wait-and-see for me on both but I wouldn't be surprised if neither ends up in my top 3 (even though the competition isn't particularly strong this year either, so who knows).

Ivey is a sophomore and doesn't look like a great shooter. What's the main appeal with him? Athleticism? What's his elite NBA skillset?

As Duke mentioned, he's young for a Sophomore.

I also agree with Duke that his elite trait in the NBA is his quickness – especially his explosive first step. He'll have one of the most explosive first steps in the entire league and be a terror in transition from day one. He combines that with a very decent skill-set and a high motor.

In terms of skills, his handles are good enough to attack in half-court, he has solid playmaking skills for a secondary playmaker, and he has worked himself into becoming a respectable enough, confident and even somewhat versatile shooter (although this will be a swing-skill for him that could be the difference between very solid NBA player and All-NBA-level player).

In terms of motor, he is engaged on defense, he is active on the defensive glass, and on offense he is actually one of the most active off-ball players I've seen among players of his ilk. In other words, he is willing to work and play team-oriented basketball.

All in all, that's a lot of great things to work with for an NBA team. You just don't often see that level of athleticism in a Guard that also has ancillary skills, for which he has also shown notable improvement, and a really good motor and demeanor.

[clyde21]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet

i can see him having an argument over Paolo or Chet, but not Jabari imo.

[Duke4life831]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet.

Agree 100%. I’ve been a fan of Ivey for awhile but because of this I wouldn’t take him #1. I’d much rather take a safer pick (a clearer path to success) with Jabari.

I’m taking Ivey with the hopes he can become a reliable 36-38% 3pt shooter. Then I’m just putting him in a Donovan Mitchell role. Pair him with a smart PG who doesn’t need to be the primary ball handler, but can still be the primary facilitator. Similar with Mitchell and Conley or LaVine with Ball now.

[zimpy27]

I have Idey over anyone and feel quite good about it. I think he has arguably the highest upside if he hits and his profile (athletic combo guard with decent size and good effort who can create shots and is not a shooting-liability) has the fewest concerns to me. I'd have Smith in my top 3, too. So it's either Chet or Paolo – or both – that are out. I'd be somewhat scared to draft Chet but I'm not too bullish on Paolo's upside. It's wait-and-see for me on both but I wouldn't be surprised if neither ends up in my top 3 (even though the competition isn't particularly strong this year either, so who knows).

Ivey is a sophomore and doesn't look like a great shooter. What's the main appeal with him? Athleticism? What's his elite NBA skillset?

As Duke mentioned, he's young for a Sophomore.

I also agree with Duke that his elite trait in the NBA is his quickness – especially his explosive first step. He'll have one of the most explosive first steps in the entire league and be a terror in transition from day one. He combines that with a very decent skill-set and a high motor.

In terms of skills, his handles are good enough to attack in half-court, he has solid playmaking skills for a secondary playmaker, and he has worked himself into becoming a respectable enough, confident and even somewhat versatile shooter (although this will be a swing-skill for him that could be the difference between very solid NBA player and All-NBA-level player).

In terms of motor, he is engaged on defense, he is active on the defensive glass, and on offense he is actually one of the most active off-ball players I've seen among players of his ilk. In other words, he is willing to work and play team-oriented basketball.

All in all, that's a lot of great things to work with for an NBA team. You just don't often see that level of athleticism in a Guard that also has ancillary skills, for which he has also shown notable improvement, and a really good motor and demeanor.

Well we just had Davion Mitchell who had similar college stats in final year before draft and is a combo guard. He is an elite defender for an NBA skill, I don't think Ivey is a better defender. They are probably as good at shooting.

Ivey is taller and has a better vertical, which makes him the better finisher and better rebounder - though he doesn't have elite rebounding numbers. Sounds like his elite NBA skill might be drives and finishing.

He's obviously younger than Davion and bigger. He'd definitely be drafted top 5. But I'm still not sure how you consider taking him over a big scoring wings or a unicorn-type.