Siakim, Dragi for Allen and Love

[Los_29]

As someone said on page one this should be locked, but since it isn't:

I don't see the Cavs moving Allen at all. I think they are committed to the mobile twin towers approach with Allen and Mobley. Before the recent loss of Rubio I heard on Fan590 that one of those projection websites, 538 I think, had the Cavs as finishing first in the East. They are a rising team, and I believe their tallball approach is going to prove more successful than our smallball/no center thing.

Nobody had the Cavs finishing first. 538 doesn't keep their predictions so I cant showe it. But here's what the average was... here's ESPN. 26th. They are having a great year considering. And 538 does not currently have the Cavs in first of that's what you meant. 44-38. 12th overall.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

They aren't playing tall ball. Both those guys are mobile not old school Cs. But it still wont work in the long run. How many more years than the last 7 do you need to see old school centres fail in the playoffs, since that's what you usually mean?

So the Cavs 2 guys are not old school centers, but they won't succeed in playoffs because of having old school centers. Got it.

And here I thought our 2 center combo of Serge and Marc succeeded in 2019. My mistake

Allen was had for essentially a late FRP. Teams know what he brings to the table and they know his limitations. His limitations will likely be exploited in the playoffs.

Cavs will be at or below .500 soon. They aren't a good team.

[WaltFrazier]

Nobody had the Cavs finishing first. 538 doesn't keep their predictions so I cant showe it. But here's what the average was... here's ESPN. 26th. They are having a great year considering. And 538 does not currently have the Cavs in first of that's what you meant. 44-38. 12th overall.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

They aren't playing tall ball. Both those guys are mobile not old school Cs. But it still wont work in the long run. How many more years than the last 7 do you need to see old school centres fail in the playoffs, since that's what you usually mean?

So the Cavs 2 guys are not old school centers, but they won't succeed in playoffs because of having old school centers. Got it.

And here I thought our 2 center combo of Serge and Marc succeeded in 2019. My mistake

Allen was had for essentially a late FRP. Teams know what he brings to the table and they know his limitations. His limitations will likely be exploited in the playoffs.

Cavs will be at or below .500 soon. They aren't a good team.

Aside from covid, my understanding is they have played a lot of good teams, and have an easier schedule upcoming. Before the loss of Rubio they were heading for a high finish. Now without Rubio it remains to be seen what Rondo can bring.

Playoffs are a different question too, but they will likely have it tough due to overall youth more than Allen being exploited

[Los_29]

So the Cavs 2 guys are not old school centers, but they won't succeed in playoffs because of having old school centers. Got it.

And here I thought our 2 center combo of Serge and Marc succeeded in 2019. My mistake

Allen was had for essentially a late FRP. Teams know what he brings to the table and they know his limitations. His limitations will likely be exploited in the playoffs.

Cavs will be at or below .500 soon. They aren't a good team.

Aside from covid, my understanding is they have played a lot of good teams, and have an easier schedule upcoming. Before the loss of Rubio they were heading for a high finish. Now without Rubio it remains to be seen what Rondo can bring.

Playoffs are a different question too, but they will likely have it tough due to overall youth more than Allen being exploited

They played a lot of good teams who had their best players out with covid or other injuries. I expect a big drop off.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

OMG Loooooooocccckkkkkkkkkkkk this thread!

[realball]

Which stretch or small ball C that can defend shoot over a good percentage, say over 40%? And Siakam is not the only one defending the centre. It's going to fall on all three. Siakam's three point shot needs work for sure, but it ain't horrid like AD.

And the entire idea drafting Barnes is that he can be a small ball C one day and defend. Nobody cares who starts, it who finishes. And at C one day, that should be Barnes.

And like vulture says above... you don't want that slow C, you want to be able to switch.

If neither of those three can guard Cs long-term, so why would it fall on all three? Why not just get one player who can guard Cs? It's been pretty clear from this season and the last that we need an anchor for our defense, our switching and rotating is elite, but it's no good without a C because we just end up packing the paint and giving up too many open 3s.

Siakam can't defend other Cs or shoot over 40%... so what exactly is the advantage that he provides against other bigs? Modern Cs like Bam and Ayton matchup very well with Siakam, there is no future where he plays C.

And who the hell said Barnes is eventually going to be a small ball C? How many Cs in the league do you know who are Barnes' size? Practically every team has a 7-footer starting. Barnes is nowhere near big enough to be playing C, just like Siakam. We need a C who can switch and guard big men and rebound, not just a C who can switch.

Barne's comp is literally Draymond Green.

And Draymond is not a C...

[PhilBlackson]

Nobody had the Cavs finishing first. 538 doesn't keep their predictions so I cant showe it. But here's what the average was... here's ESPN. 26th. They are having a great year considering. And 538 does not currently have the Cavs in first of that's what you meant. 44-38. 12th overall.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

They aren't playing tall ball. Both those guys are mobile not old school Cs. But it still wont work in the long run. How many more years than the last 7 do you need to see old school centres fail in the playoffs, since that's what you usually mean?

So the Cavs 2 guys are not old school centers, but they won't succeed in playoffs because of having old school centers. Got it.

And here I thought our 2 center combo of Serge and Marc succeeded in 2019. My mistake

Allen was had for essentially a late FRP. Teams know what he brings to the table and they know his limitations. His limitations will likely be exploited in the playoffs.

Cavs will be at or below .500 soon. They aren't a good team.

you're seriously just a hater of the Cavs. Garland, Mobley & Allen are a legit trio. They have a great record when they all play together and you have nothing factual against that.

[Johnny Bball]

If neither of those three can guard Cs long-term, so why would it fall on all three? Why not just get one player who can guard Cs? It's been pretty clear from this season and the last that we need an anchor for our defense, our switching and rotating is elite, but it's no good without a C because we just end up packing the paint and giving up too many open 3s.

Siakam can't defend other Cs or shoot over 40%... so what exactly is the advantage that he provides against other bigs? Modern Cs like Bam and Ayton matchup very well with Siakam, there is no future where he plays C.

And who the hell said Barnes is eventually going to be a small ball C? How many Cs in the league do you know who are Barnes' size? Practically every team has a 7-footer starting. Barnes is nowhere near big enough to be playing C, just like Siakam. We need a C who can switch and guard big men and rebound, not just a C who can switch.

Barne's comp is literally Draymond Green.

And Draymond is not a C...

Worst take ever.

[Los_29]

So the Cavs 2 guys are not old school centers, but they won't succeed in playoffs because of having old school centers. Got it.

And here I thought our 2 center combo of Serge and Marc succeeded in 2019. My mistake

Allen was had for essentially a late FRP. Teams know what he brings to the table and they know his limitations. His limitations will likely be exploited in the playoffs.

Cavs will be at or below .500 soon. They aren't a good team.

you're seriously just a hater of the Cavs. Garland, Mobley & Allen are a legit duo. They have a great record when they all play together and you have nothing factual against that.

If we had the amount of fake wins as the Cavs have had people on here would be having a meltdown.

Garland, Mobley and Allen would be a trio not a duo. And yes they are a solid trio which is why I have them at around a .500 team. And if you think the Cavs are a good team then surely you think the Raptors are much better right?

OG/Barnes/Pascal/GTJ/FVV vs Mobley/Allen/Garland?

Not really close is it. So are the Raptors are a great team?

[realball]

Barne's comp is literally Draymond Green.

And Draymond is not a C...

Worst take ever.

Which year did Draymond start at C again?

[Johnny Bball]

And Draymond is not a C...

Worst take ever.

Which year did Draymond start at C again?

From 2015 on, made him an all-star and DPOY, and the entire NBA played catch up to the GSW to find a player like him ever since. My god that's just bad.

[realball]

Worst take ever.

Which year did Draymond start at C again?

From 2015 on, made him an all-star and DPOY, and the entire NBA played catch up to the GSW to find a player like him ever since. My god that's just bad.

Which year? You mean the ones where he started next to Bogut, or more recent years, when he starts next to Looney?

[Johnny Bball]

Which year did Draymond start at C again?

From 2015 on, made him an all-star and DPOY, and the entire NBA played catch up to the GSW to find a player like him ever since. My god that's just bad.

Which year? You mean the ones where he started next to Bogut, or more recent years, when he starts next to Looney?

I give up. You can't possibly watch basketball and be saying this.

[realball]

From 2015 on, made him an all-star and DPOY, and the entire NBA played catch up to the GSW to find a player like him ever since. My god that's just bad.

Which year? You mean the ones where he started next to Bogut, or more recent years, when he starts next to Looney?

I give up. You can't possibly watch basketball and be saying this.

Yeah it's hard to defend half-baked ideas, isn't it?

If you want us to follow Golden State's strategy of playing small ball, that means you start a stopgap C like Birch and move one of your starters (Iguodala) to the bench. Which one of OG/Siakam/Barnes do you think moves to the bench?

[Los_29]

Which year did Draymond start at C again?

From 2015 on, made him an all-star and DPOY, and the entire NBA played catch up to the GSW to find a player like him ever since. My god that's just bad.

Which year? You mean the ones where he started next to Bogut, or more recent years, when he starts next to Looney?

Have you ever heard of the Hamptons Five or before that the Death Lineup? This lineup dominated and ran teams off the floor and a big part of that was because Draymond played the 5.

[Johnny Bball]

Which year? You mean the ones where he started next to Bogut, or more recent years, when he starts next to Looney?

I give up. You can't possibly watch basketball and be saying this.

Yeah it's hard to defend half-baked ideas, isn't it?

If you want us to follow Golden State's strategy of playing small ball, that means you start a stopgap C like Birch and move one of your starters (Iguodala) to the bench. Which one of OG/Siakam/Barnes do you think moves to the bench?

So you're first post that said "And Draymond Green is not a C", that started this exchange is bull **** then. Draymond is a C. Now in the third post. Gotcha.


Move the posts wherever you want after this.

[realball]

I give up. You can't possibly watch basketball and be saying this.

Yeah it's hard to defend half-baked ideas, isn't it?

If you want us to follow Golden State's strategy of playing small ball, that means you start a stopgap C like Birch and move one of your starters (Iguodala) to the bench. Which one of OG/Siakam/Barnes do you think moves to the bench?

So you're first post that said "And Draymond Green is not a C", that started this exchange is bull **** then. Draymond is a C. Now in the third post. Gotcha.


Move the posts wherever you want after this.

I literally just stated that we need a stopgap C as a starter. Are you having trouble following along?

[realball]

Yeah it's hard to defend half-baked ideas, isn't it?

If you want us to follow Golden State's strategy of playing small ball, that means you start a stopgap C like Birch and move one of your starters (Iguodala) to the bench. Which one of OG/Siakam/Barnes do you think moves to the bench?

So you're first post that said "And Draymond Green is not a C", that started this exchange is bull **** then. Draymond is a C. Now in the third post. Gotcha.


Move the posts wherever you want after this.

I literally just stated that we need a stopgap C as a starter. Are you having trouble following along?

Have you ever heard of the Hamptons Five or before that the Death Lineup? This lineup dominated and ran teams off the floor and a big part of that was because Draymond played the 5.

Golden State does not start their death lineup...

[Los_29]

So you're first post that said "And Draymond Green is not a C", that started this exchange is bull **** then. Draymond is a C. Now in the third post. Gotcha.


Move the posts wherever you want after this.

I literally just stated that we need a stopgap C as a starter. Are you having trouble following along?

Have you ever heard of the Hamptons Five or before that the Death Lineup? This lineup dominated and ran teams off the floor and a big part of that was because Draymond played the 5.

Golden State does not start their death lineup...

Yes because more than half their lineup isn't on their team. That could be a reason why.

[realball]

I literally just stated that we need a stopgap C as a starter. Are you having trouble following along?

Golden State does not start their death lineup...

Yes because more than half their lineup isn't on their team. That could be a reason why.

They didn't start the Death lineup even when they were healthy...

[Los_29]

Golden State does not start their death lineup...

Yes because more than half their lineup isn't on their team. That could be a reason why.

They didn't start the Death lineup even when they were healthy...

Who cares. They finished with them.