2022 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet.

Agree 100%. I’ve been a fan of Ivey for awhile but because of this I wouldn’t take him #1. I’d much rather take a safer pick (a clearer path to success) with Jabari.

I’m taking Ivey with the hopes he can become a reliable 36-38% 3pt shooter. Then I’m just putting him in a Donovan Mitchell role. Pair him with a smart PG who doesn’t need to be the primary ball handler, but can still be the primary facilitator. Similar with Mitchell and Conley or LaVine with Ball now.

yup - that's his path to success imo, but the fact that he's not a great shooter or playmaker also carves out a path for disappointment if he doesn't improve in those areas and is taken 1st or 2nd...not saying he won't get there but I feel like if I am taking him that high I'd need to know for sure

D-Mitch is the archetype I'd aim for with him if I am GM for sure

[zimpy27]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet.

Agree 100%. I’ve been a fan of Ivey for awhile but because of this I wouldn’t take him #1. I’d much rather take a safer pick (a clearer path to success) with Jabari.

I’m taking Ivey with the hopes he can become a reliable 36-38% 3pt shooter. Then I’m just putting him in a Donovan Mitchell role. Pair him with a smart PG who doesn’t need to be the primary ball handler, but can still be the primary facilitator. Similar with Mitchell and Conley or LaVine with Ball now.

How would you compare him to Jalen Green? Both have similar size and likely play the SG role.

[Hal14]

Ivey is a sophomore and doesn't look like a great shooter. What's the main appeal with him? Athleticism? What's his elite NBA skillset?

As Duke mentioned, he's young for a Sophomore.

I also agree with Duke that his elite trait in the NBA is his quickness – especially his explosive first step. He'll have one of the most explosive first steps in the entire league and be a terror in transition from day one. He combines that with a very decent skill-set and a high motor.

In terms of skills, his handles are good enough to attack in half-court, he has solid playmaking skills for a secondary playmaker, and he has worked himself into becoming a respectable enough, confident and even somewhat versatile shooter (although this will be a swing-skill for him that could be the difference between very solid NBA player and All-NBA-level player).

In terms of motor, he is engaged on defense, he is active on the defensive glass, and on offense he is actually one of the most active off-ball players I've seen among players of his ilk. In other words, he is willing to work and play team-oriented basketball.

All in all, that's a lot of great things to work with for an NBA team. You just don't often see that level of athleticism in a Guard that also has ancillary skills, for which he has also shown notable improvement, and a really good motor and demeanor.

Well we just had Davion Mitchell who had similar college stats in final year before draft and is a combo guard. He is an elite defender for an NBA skill, I don't think Ivey is a better defender. They are probably as good at shooting.

Ivey is taller and has a better vertical, which makes him the better finisher and better rebounder - though he doesn't have elite rebounding numbers. Sounds like his elite NBA skill might be drives and finishing.

He's obviously younger than Davion and bigger. He'd definitely be drafted top 5. But I'm still not sure how you consider taking him over a big scoring wings or a unicorn-type.

Not really seeing the Davion comparison.

Ivey is an Anthony Edwards clone / taller Donovan Mitchell. Pretty safe pick in the no. 1 spot to me. Edwards went no. 1, and has performed as a top 2 player in his draft (along with Lamelo). Mitchell has performed as a top 3 player in his draft (along with Tatum and Adebayo).

Ivey IMO has less red flags than the other candidates for the no. 1 spot.

With Chet, there's concerns over just how impactful he can be at the next level (does he have a path to be a star or just a good role player?), does he have an elite skill, will he handle the physicality, will his. skinny fame break down? Looks like a better passing, slightly better defending but shorter and skinnier Porzingis - should he really go top 3?

Jabari has concerns over whether he can be more than just a big 3 and D guy. Not much of a rim protector on D and not much besides a jump shooter on O, so is there star potential or is he just a OG Onunoby / Mikal Bridges role player type guy?

Paolo has concerns with how good he can shoot it from long range and how good he can be defensively - especially in terms of guarding people and protecting the rim (which you are typically looking for some rim protection from a 6'10" guy).

Meanwhile, Ivey's only real red flag coming into the season was his shooting. But the dude is currently shooting 45.2% from 3 on the season which is nuts! That's up from 25.8% last season so clearly this dude worked his a&& off to improve that part of his game. His defense and passing have both improved this season as well.

[The-Power]

He's obviously younger than Davion and bigger. He'd definitely be drafted top 5. But I'm still not sure how you consider taking him over a big scoring wings or a unicorn-type.

edit: I don't see him as anything like Davion Mitchell. Ivey is just a lot bigger (that makes a huge difference in this case) and a lot younger when entering the NBA. If anything, he is more like Donovan Mitchell and he probably goes top 3 in a re-draft. Top 5 at worst.

To your second point: but there is no scoring wing at the top of this draft. Jabari and Paolo are 4s and pretty much locked into this position. You mentioned elite NBA skills/traits – but what are Paolo's? He doesn't have an elite NBA skill/trait unlike Ivey. Jabari has his shooting touch which could be his elite NBA skill, but he'll have just as much – if not more – to prove in terms of ancillary skills as Ivey.

I understand when people are cautious about Ivey. There's no guarantee that he becomes an elite player. But there's no guarantee for the other guys either. What if they are just somewhat improved versions of Lauri Markkanen and Jabari Parker, respectively? And I'm not saying they will end up being this, nor is this a comparison. It just illustrates the point that neither Jabari nor Paolo are ‘can't miss’ type prospects (although I see Jabari having a more secure path in the NBA).

As for ‘unicorn-type’ bigs, we're constantly hearing about them. How many prospects considered to be unicorn bigs have actually set the NBA on fire? Chet might be one who does it, not ruling that out completely – but I find it odd when people are mesmerized by such labels and talk themselves into them so much that they just naturally take them over more established NBA archetypes. It's also just a gamble, and to me a much bigger one than with Ivey because Chet isn't actually ridiculously skilled – he's just unusually skilled for his height.

I also disagree to some extent that Ivey has to be a lead Guard or a great shooter to be a reasonable pick (unless the thresholds for ‘great’ shooter or ‘lead’ Guard are lower than as what I would have it). Some of the top SGs/CGs in the league currently are neither – Booker, Mitchell, Beal. Wade was neither, too. Of course Ivey has to improve his playmaking and shooting after he entered the NBA to become an All-NBA type of player. But every single other prospect in this draft also has to improve to get there.

[Duke4life831]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet.

Agree 100%. I’ve been a fan of Ivey for awhile but because of this I wouldn’t take him #1. I’d much rather take a safer pick (a clearer path to success) with Jabari.

I’m taking Ivey with the hopes he can become a reliable 36-38% 3pt shooter. Then I’m just putting him in a Donovan Mitchell role. Pair him with a smart PG who doesn’t need to be the primary ball handler, but can still be the primary facilitator. Similar with Mitchell and Conley or LaVine with Ball now.

How would you compare him to Jalen Green? Both have similar size and likely play the SG role.

He’s a stiffer athlete. Ivey has elite quickness and a first step. I wouldn’t say he’s elite in lateral agility or leaping ability. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I think he’s bad in those areas, just not elite like how he is in the quickness department. I think Green is elite in all those categories.

Because of that I think Green has a little more wiggle to his game which allows him an easier time creating space for himself in the half court.

So I would have Green as the higher rated prospect out of the two.

But when push comes to shove, I think both would serve a similar role in the NBA. Where again I think best case scenario is they can land in a spot where they can have the ball the most but won’t be looked at to be the primary facilitator. Again a Mitchell/Conley or a LaVine/Lonzo situation.

I think both will be best as on ball scorers and I think both can become solid secondary facilitator options. Just need to pair them up with a PG that fits with that.

[zimpy27]

As Duke mentioned, he's young for a Sophomore.

I also agree with Duke that his elite trait in the NBA is his quickness – especially his explosive first step. He'll have one of the most explosive first steps in the entire league and be a terror in transition from day one. He combines that with a very decent skill-set and a high motor.

In terms of skills, his handles are good enough to attack in half-court, he has solid playmaking skills for a secondary playmaker, and he has worked himself into becoming a respectable enough, confident and even somewhat versatile shooter (although this will be a swing-skill for him that could be the difference between very solid NBA player and All-NBA-level player).

In terms of motor, he is engaged on defense, he is active on the defensive glass, and on offense he is actually one of the most active off-ball players I've seen among players of his ilk. In other words, he is willing to work and play team-oriented basketball.

All in all, that's a lot of great things to work with for an NBA team. You just don't often see that level of athleticism in a Guard that also has ancillary skills, for which he has also shown notable improvement, and a really good motor and demeanor.

Well we just had Davion Mitchell who had similar college stats in final year before draft and is a combo guard. He is an elite defender for an NBA skill, I don't think Ivey is a better defender. They are probably as good at shooting.

Ivey is taller and has a better vertical, which makes him the better finisher and better rebounder - though he doesn't have elite rebounding numbers. Sounds like his elite NBA skill might be drives and finishing.

He's obviously younger than Davion and bigger. He'd definitely be drafted top 5. But I'm still not sure how you consider taking him over a big scoring wings or a unicorn-type.

Not really seeing the Davion comparison.

Ivey is an Anthony Edwards clone / taller Donovan Mitchell. Pretty safe pick in the no. 1 spot to me. Edwards went no. 1, and has performed as a top 2 player in his draft (along with Lamelo). Mitchell has performed as a top 3 player in his draft (along with Tatum and Adebayo).

Ivey IMO has less red flags than the other candidates for the no. 1 spot.

With Chet, there's concerns over just how impactful he can be at the next level (does he have a path to be a star or just a good role player?), does he have an elite skill, will he handle the physicality, will his. skinny fame break down? Looks like a better passing, slightly better defending but shorter and skinnier Porzingis - should he really go top 3?

Jabari has concerns over whether he can be more than just a big 3 and D guy. Not much of a rim protector on D and not much besides a jump shooter on O, so is there star potential or is he just a OG Onunoby / Mikal Bridges role player type guy?

Paolo has concerns with how good he can shoot it from long range and how good he can be defensively - especially in terms of guarding people and protecting the rim (which you are typically looking for some rim protection from a 6'10" guy).

Meanwhile, Ivey's only real red flag coming into the season was his shooting. But the dude is currently shooting 45.2% from 3 on the season which is nuts! That's up from 25.8% last season so clearly this dude worked his a&& off to improve that part of his game. His defense and passing have both improved this season as well.

Edwards has elite power and athleticism, Ivey is not that level. Taller Donovan might be the best comp but does he have the same shiftiness, control, confidence and leadership in his game that produced that Mitchell/Wade archetype?

[zimpy27]

He's obviously younger than Davion and bigger. He'd definitely be drafted top 5. But I'm still not sure how you consider taking him over a big scoring wings or a unicorn-type.

edit: I don't see him as anything like Davion Mitchell. Ivey is just a lot bigger (that makes a huge difference in this case) and a lot younger when entering the NBA. If anything, he is more like Donovan Mitchell and he probably goes top 3 in a re-draft. Top 5 at worst.

To your second point: but there is no scoring wing at the top of this draft. Jabari and Paolo are 4s and pretty much locked into this position. You mentioned elite NBA skills/traits – but what are Paolo's? He doesn't have an elite NBA skill/trait unlike Ivey. Jabari has his shooting touch which could be his elite NBA skill, but he'll have just as much – if not more – to prove in terms of ancillary skills as Ivey.

I understand when people are cautious about Ivey. There's no guarantee that he becomes an elite player. But there's no guarantee for the other guys either. What if they are just somewhat improved versions of Lauri Markkanen and Jabari Parker, respectively? And I'm not saying they will end up being this, nor is this a comparison. It just illustrates the point that neither Jabari nor Paolo are ‘can't miss’ type prospects (although I see Jabari having a more secure path in the NBA).

As for ‘unicorn-type’ bigs, we're constantly hearing about them. How many prospects considered to be unicorn bigs have actually set the NBA on fire? Chet might be one who does it, not ruling that out completely – but I find it odd when people are mesmerized by such labels and talk themselves into them so much that they just naturally take them over more established NBA archetypes. It's also just a gamble, and to me a much bigger one than with Ivey because Chet isn't actually ridiculously skilled – he's just unusually skilled for his height.

I also disagree to some extent that Ivey has to be a lead Guard or a great shooter to be a reasonable pick (unless the thresholds for ‘great’ shooter or ‘lead’ Guard are lower than as what I would have it). Some of the top SGs/CGs in the league currently are neither – Booker, Mitchell, Beal. Wade was neither, too. Of course Ivey has to improve his playmaking and shooting after he entered the NBA to become an All-NBA type of player. But every single other prospect in this draft also has to improve to get there.

I guess I like to steer clear of comps to guys like Mitchell and Wade because they have a lot of leadership intangibles that are hard to identify from tape. Does Ivey often probe in and out of the key and show the confidence/control to evaluate the situation when surrounded by defenders? Can he take the heat of an elite team leading guard? If he can, then yeah, top 3 seems right.

I think Paolo is an elite level shooter and space creator at the 4. I think we agree on Jabari. Chet is 3 for me and I have a hard time seeing a team passing on Chet at 3 because of the size, the rim protection, the offensive skills.

[zimpy27]

Agree 100%. I’ve been a fan of Ivey for awhile but because of this I wouldn’t take him #1. I’d much rather take a safer pick (a clearer path to success) with Jabari.

I’m taking Ivey with the hopes he can become a reliable 36-38% 3pt shooter. Then I’m just putting him in a Donovan Mitchell role. Pair him with a smart PG who doesn’t need to be the primary ball handler, but can still be the primary facilitator. Similar with Mitchell and Conley or LaVine with Ball now.

How would you compare him to Jalen Green? Both have similar size and likely play the SG role.

He’s a stiffer athlete. Ivey has elite quickness and a first step. I wouldn’t say he’s elite in lateral agility or leaping ability. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I think he’s bad in those areas, just not elite like how he is in the quickness department. I think Green is elite in all those categories.

Because of that I think Green has a little more wiggle to his game which allows him an easier time creating space for himself in the half court.

So I would have Green as the higher rated prospect out of the two.

But when push comes to shove, I think both would serve a similar role in the NBA. Where again I think best case scenario is they can land in a spot where they can have the ball the most but won’t be looked at to be the primary facilitator. Again a Mitchell/Conley or a LaVine/Lonzo situation.

I think both will be best as on ball scorers and I think both can become solid secondary facilitator options. Just need to pair them up with a PG that fits with that.

Would you have Green ranked higher than Paolo and Chet?

I am coming around on Ivey here, sounds like people really see a lot Donovan in him. I hadn't really thought of that when watching him. I was thinking Josh Richardson with more strength and finishing ability.

[NYPiston]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet

i can see him having an argument over Paolo or Chet, but not Jabari imo.

Small sample size and all but he's 45%!!! from three this season and over 50% overall which is quite good for a guard so I wouldn't say that him being a good shooter is ALL projection. I thought going into the season that Ivey had the shooting form to improve his shooting over time which is one of the reasons why I had him as a big riser going into this season when he wasn't on the top 3-5 radar for most people.

Speak of shooting, Jabari's shooting from inside the arc has to be a bit of a concern, no? I also think he's a bit soft on the interior but then again, Mobley also had that issue last season which seems to not be much of an issue at the pro level.

[clyde21]

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet

i can see him having an argument over Paolo or Chet, but not Jabari imo.

Small sample size and all but he's 45%!!! from three this season and over 50% overall which is quite good for a guard so I wouldn't say that him being a good shooter is ALL projection. I thought going into the season that Ivey had the shooting form to improve his shooting over time which is one of the reasons why I had him as a big riser going into this season when he wasn't on the top 3-5 radar for most people.

Speak of shooting, Jabari's shooting from inside the arc has to be a bit of a concern, no? I also think he's a bit soft on the interior but then again, Mobley also had that issue last season which seems to not be much of an issue at the pro level.

no, there are no concerns with Jabari's shooting or shot making whatsoever. that's like literally his biggest selling point.

re: Ivey's shooting, it's not the shooting percentage, it's the types of shots. also, it's more of an outlier than anything else at this point. this is like the people last yr who legitimately thought Davion Mitchell was a 45% shooter from 3 despite evidence throughout his entire career except for a fraction of it that he's not a 45% shooter from deep.

guess what? Davion's shooting 31% from 3 right now in the NBA, and still can't hit his FTs. so much for that 45% from 3 his last yr at Baylor right?

[NYPiston]

no, there are no concerns with Jabari's shooting or shot making whatsoever. that's like literally his biggest selling point.

re: Ivey's shooting, it's not the shooting percentage, it's the types of shots. also, it's more of an outlier than anything else at this point. this is like the people last yr who legitimately thought Davion Mitchell was a 45% shooter from 3 despite evidence throughout his entire career except for a fraction of it that he's not a 45% shooter from deep.

guess what? Davion's shooting 31% from 3 right now in the NBA, and still can't hit his FTs. so much for that 45% from 3 his last yr at Baylor right?

Mitchell was a 4 year college player so there was a much larger sample size of him being a poor shooter.
My point is too early to label Ivey as a poor shooter going forward since it's something that can be improved over time and has already shown a vast improvement this season thus far. I think his early season success from deep is a bit inflated but the improvement can't be denied at least as of now.

AS far as Jabari is concerned, I'm not talking about his shooting in general, I'm talking about his shooting from inside the arc. Personally, I'm not too concerned about it because he tends to get good shots but it's something to note this early in his career.

[clyde21]

no, there are no concerns with Jabari's shooting or shot making whatsoever. that's like literally his biggest selling point.

re: Ivey's shooting, it's not the shooting percentage, it's the types of shots. also, it's more of an outlier than anything else at this point. this is like the people last yr who legitimately thought Davion Mitchell was a 45% shooter from 3 despite evidence throughout his entire career except for a fraction of it that he's not a 45% shooter from deep.

guess what? Davion's shooting 31% from 3 right now in the NBA, and still can't hit his FTs. so much for that 45% from 3 his last yr at Baylor right?

Mitchell was a 4 year college player so there was a much larger sample size of him being a poor shooter.
My point is too early to label Ivey as a poor shooter going forward since it's something that can be improved over time and has already shown a vast improvement this season thus far.

AS far as Jabari is concerned, I'm not talking about his shooting in general, I'm talking about his shooting from inside the arc. Personally, I'm not too concerned about it because he tends to get good shots but it's something to note this early in his career.

good thing no one labeled him a poor shooter.

if you're gonna strawman and make things up in your mind about what people said please don't bother getting involved.

[zimpy27]

no, there are no concerns with Jabari's shooting or shot making whatsoever. that's like literally his biggest selling point.

re: Ivey's shooting, it's not the shooting percentage, it's the types of shots. also, it's more of an outlier than anything else at this point. this is like the people last yr who legitimately thought Davion Mitchell was a 45% shooter from 3 despite evidence throughout his entire career except for a fraction of it that he's not a 45% shooter from deep.

guess what? Davion's shooting 31% from 3 right now in the NBA, and still can't hit his FTs. so much for that 45% from 3 his last yr at Baylor right?

Mitchell was a 4 year college player so there was a much larger sample size of him being a poor shooter.
My point is too early to label Ivey as a poor shooter going forward since it's something that can be improved over time and has already shown a vast improvement this season thus far. I think his early season success from deep is a bit inflated but the improvement can't be denied at least as of now.

AS far as Jabari is concerned, I'm not talking about his shooting in general, I'm talking about his shooting from inside the arc. Personally, I'm not too concerned about it because he tends to get good shots but it's something to note this early in his career.

Davion played 3 years of college basketball. He had a year out. He barely played in Auburn and took 157 3s total in the 2 seasons prior to his final year in which he shot 45% on 141 3s. So sample size volume is equivalent to 2 college seasons of taking 3s. Jaden Ivey took 97 3s last season and has taken 62 3s this season so far. Sample size is smaller for Jaden Ivey than Davion so far.

I think Davion is a good comparison because Davion improved 3s but didn't improve FT%. Ivey is the same.

[NYPiston]

good thing no one labeled him a poor shooter.

if you're gonna strawman and make things up in your mind about what people said please don't bother getting involved.

I thought you were projecting him as a questionable shooter going forward so all I'm saying is that when projecting his pro potential, it's fair to see what he is doing thus far this season as a boost for what he can be at the next level as it was one of his biggest question marks coming into the season and is something that he looks to have improved on. In other words, it's not all projection with him, he's actually proving right here and now that he's capable of shooting well.

In any event, it's a relatively small sample size so yes, he has some proving to do to dispel the poor shooter narrative.

[clyde21]

good thing no one labeled him a poor shooter.

if you're gonna strawman and make things up in your mind about what people said please don't bother getting involved.

I thought you were projecting him as a questionable shooter going forward so all I'm saying is that when projecting his pro potential, it's fair to see what he is doing thus far this season as a boost for what he can be at the next level as it was one of his biggest question marks coming into the season and is something that he looks to have improved on. In other words, it's not all projection with him, he's actually proving right here and now that he's capable of shooting well.

In any event, it's a relatively small sample size so yes, he has some proving to do to dispel the poor shooter narrative.

no, this is what I said, and I was VERY clear

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet

i'm not sure where you got "poor shooter" from. I didn't say it, and as far as I know, i don't think anyone in this thread ever called Ivey a poor shooter.

my point is straightforward: if i am taking a guard 1st/2nd overall, I need them to be either a great shooter or a great creator/distributor. right now Ivey is neither of these things. doesn't mean he's he can't get there at some point, because his rate of improvement has been great, but it's still a projection.

[EMG518]

I have some concerns with Jabari's shot, not the actual stroke as he can shoot the ball but his shots being disrupted when it's on him to create it.

I don't believe Ivey's 3pt percentage to be legit. I can't seem him being a good shooter as he is right now in the league. That's going to be his biggest knock imo. I think he will be alright in that area but not good. Alright could be enough as well with everything else he brings.

[zimpy27]

good thing no one labeled him a poor shooter.

if you're gonna strawman and make things up in your mind about what people said please don't bother getting involved.

I thought you were projecting him as a questionable shooter going forward so all I'm saying is that when projecting his pro potential, it's fair to see what he is doing thus far this season as a boost for what he can be at the next level as it was one of his biggest question marks coming into the season and is something that he looks to have improved on. In other words, it's not all projection with him, he's actually proving right here and now that he's capable of shooting well.

In any event, it's a relatively small sample size so yes, he has some proving to do to dispel the poor shooter narrative.

no, this is what I said, and I was VERY clear

Ivey has a great toolset and a + physical profile no doubt, but the problem is he's not a great shooter or a lead guy, if you're a star guard in today's NBA you gotta be one or the other, so if you're taking him 1st or 2nd then I think you're making a bit of a projection that he'll get there as a shooter or playmaker, and maybe he will his rate of improvement is impressive, but it's still a bet

i'm not sure where you got "poor shooter" from. I didn't say it, and as far as I know, i don't think anyone in this thread ever called Ivey a poor shooter.

my point is straightforward: if i am taking a guard 1st/2nd overall, I need them to be either a great shooter or a great creator/distributor. right now Ivey is neither of these things. doesn't mean he's he can't get there at some point, because his rate of improvement has been great, but it's still a projection.

I think it's a communication thing, happens to me a lot. Some people see "not great" as meaning "poor" when I just mean they aren't elite but still good. I keep having to remember to say "good but not great" or "fine but not great".

[clyde21]

Ivey vs Davis, should be fun

[clyde21]

just Kobe'd on em

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[clyde21]

Davis might just have had one of the greatest college games ever