NBA Trade Thread # 5

[nomorezorro]

i think i've settled on my favorite hare-brained scheme for now, assuming ak can sell ownership on going into the tax if it looks like we've got a legit shot at a finals run. trade pat+salary filler for the best pf we can get, keep coby, keep djj, use the theis trade exception and maybe javonte to get a bench shooter. add a buyout center for situational matchups.

unfortunately, as far as i can tell, there aren't a ton of good sub-$5 million shooting options that are likely to be on the trade market. bryn forbes is one, but he's a small guy for a guard-heavy team and who knows if he can stay on the floor in the playoffs with his defense. beyond that, the first guy who caught my eye was sterling brown — not particularly inspiring, but a wing with ok defense and career 37% 3pt shooting on decent volume could be a solid value if we don't ask him to do anything else.

[biggestbullsfan]

What happened to our draft thread? We have a first round pick this year?! Maybe two if portland plays better, but i doubt they wanna give it up this year. If we keep it and not use it in a trade, it could be serviceable. Maybe package the two and move up? Who knows

[BullChit]

What happened to our draft thread? We have a first round pick this year?! Maybe two if portland plays better, but i doubt they wanna give it up this year. If we keep it and not use it in a trade, it could be serviceable. Maybe package the two and move up? Who knows

Pretty sure we can't trade this year's pick and we'll the Portland pick will likely not convey this year...

I think it's becoming clear that unless AK gets a call from a GM with an offer too good to refuse we won't be making trades at the deadline and if we do it will be consolidation trades for more bench pieces.

I do like the prospect of AK and Eversely going hard at the buyout market though. At this point the biggest asset we may lose by trading is Chemistry and with us being 25-10 with the team as constructed there probably isn't much reason to subtract much when you likely won't add much by doing it.

[BullsTTF]

Hi Bulls Nations,

It has been great to watch this Bulls team this year. I am loving it. I really think we have a shot for a championship. However, I think the Bulls are 1 piece away. They need another big. The Bulls statically get out-rebounded. The only big the Bulls play is Vucevic. They hardly play Bradley, who is more of a 3rd string center. Neither Green or Jones are PF. Simonovic never plays. Cook has been nice as an energy big off the bench.They have recently signed 10 day contracts with Ilyasova and Bell but neither have played. What if Vucevic gets hurt or is in foul trouble.

I don't think the Bulls will make a major mid-season trade. They won't trade Patrick Williams. He was the front office's first draft pick, 4th overall and has only played one season. Coby White is the only holdover outside of Lavine. He is up for an extension after this year. He has played well recently. However, he is a luxury! When Caruso comes back White will be the 4th guard. Ayo can fill that role. Who is the Bulls' second legitimate big??? It is Bradley or Cook which is not good enough.

I have been looking for PF/C who are on bad teams which need back-court depth. Teams are not going to trade their starting PF/C and leave themselves with a hole upfront when they are battling for the playoffs. The best option is to get a PF/C who can shoot, rebound, and play defense. A veteran with playoff experience and one with good attitude (the Bulls have great chemistry and shouldn't mess with that = therefore no Wood or Bagley). The salary would have to be between 4-13 million. The Bulls can include Brown Jr to make salary work. Players like Kevin Love or Myles Turner make too much money and would deplete our bench to make salaries work.

Options: (in order of my preference)

1. Kelly Olynyk: The Pistons are rebuilding and don't need him. They have Cunningham but not one else of note in the back-court.
Positives: He is signed for 12 million for 2 years after this one, which is not a bad price. He can play PF/C. He has playoff experience. He is a very good 3 pointer shooter. He is a good passer.
Negatives: He is not much of rebounder or defender. He is not athletic.

2. Robert Covington: Portland is struggling. They might not make the playoffs and might look to trade Lillard or McCollum in the near future. Covington is a free-agent next year. I don't think he is in their long-term plans.
Positives: He is a great defender (blocks and steals). He has playoff experience. He is a good 3 point shooter. Very good FT shooter.
Negative: Not very big. Not a PF/C but rather a 6.8/6.7 athletic PF. Not a very good shooter overall. Only signed for this year.

3. Chris Boucher: Toronto is not going anywhere. Boucher is a free-agent next. After playing well last year he is riding the bench this year. Not in their long-term plans. Toronto needs a backup guard behind VanVleet and Trent Jr.
Positives: He is great defender (especially blocks). He is athletic. He can shoot the 3 pointer fairly well (not much this year). Good rebounder. Has the size to play a little C.
Negatives: Only signed for this year. Not much playoff experience.

4. Derick Favors: The Thunder are rebuilding and he is not in their long-term plans. He has a player option next year and I am sure they would like out of that contract. They could use another guard to pair with Gilgeous-Alexander and Giddey.
Positives: He has the size to play PF/C. Tough defender and rebounder. He has playoff experience.
Negatives: Not a 3 pointer shooter at all. Not a good FT shooter. More of backup C than a true PF/C.

I originally liked Covington and Favors the best but after looking at their numbers I actually like Olynyk the best. He doesn't sound sexy as a trade target. However, he is the best 3 point shooter of the group and the best passer. Unlike Convington he can play both PF and C. He has experience both starting and coming off the bench. He can replace a lot of things that Vuvevic can do. The only negative is that is not athletic and not a great defender.

[sco]

Hi Bulls Nations,

It has been great to watch this Bulls team this year. I am loving it. I really think we have a shot for a championship. However, I think the Bulls are 1 piece away. They need another big. The Bulls statically get out-rebounded. The only big the Bulls play is Vucevic. They hardly play Bradley, who is more of a 3rd string center. Neither Green or Jones are PF. Simonovic never plays. Cook has been nice as an energy big off the bench.They have recently signed 10 day contracts with Ilyasova and Bell but neither have played. What if Vucevic gets hurt or is in foul trouble.

I don't think the Bulls will make a major mid-season trade. They won't trade Patrick Williams. He was the front office's first draft pick, 4th overall and has only played one season. Coby White is the only holdover outside of Lavine. He is up for an extension after this year. He has played well recently. However, he is a luxury! When Caruso comes back White will be the 4th guard. Ayo can fill that role. Who is the Bulls' second legitimate big??? It is Bradley or Cook which is not good enough.

I have been looking for PF/C who are on bad teams which need back-court depth. Teams are not going to trade their starting PF/C and leave themselves with a hole upfront when they are battling for the playoffs. The best option is to get a PF/C who can shoot, rebound, and play defense. A veteran with playoff experience and one with good attitude (the Bulls have great chemistry and shouldn't mess with that = therefore no Wood or Bagley). The salary would have to be between 4-13 million. The Bulls can include Brown Jr to make salary work. Players like Kevin Love or Myles Turner make too much money and would deplete our bench to make salaries work.

Options: (in order of my preference)

1. Kelly Olynyk: The Pistons are rebuilding and don't need him. They have Cunningham but not one else of note in the back-court.
Positives: He is signed for 12 million for 2 years after this one, which is not a bad price. He can play PF/C. He has playoff experience. He is a very good 3 pointer shooter. He is a good passer.
Negatives: He is not much of rebounder or defender. He is not athletic.

2. Robert Covington: Portland is struggling. They might not make the playoffs and might look to trade Lillard or McCollum in the near future. Covington is a free-agent next year. I don't think he is in their long-term plans.
Positives: He is a great defender (blocks and steals). He has playoff experience. He is a good 3 point shooter. Very good FT shooter.
Negative: Not very big. Not a PF/C but rather a 6.8/6.7 athletic PF. Not a very good shooter overall. Only signed for this year.

3. Chris Boucher: Toronto is not going anywhere. Boucher is a free-agent next. After playing well last year he is riding the bench this year. Not in their long-term plans. Toronto needs a backup guard behind VanVleet and Trent Jr.
Positives: He is great defender (especially blocks). He is athletic. He can shoot the 3 pointer fairly well (not much this year). Good rebounder. Has the size to play a little C.
Negatives: Only signed for this year. Not much playoff experience.

4. Derick Favors: The Thunder are rebuilding and he is not in their long-term plans. He has a player option next year and I am sure they would like out of that contract. They could use another guard to pair with Gilgeous-Alexander and Giddey.
Positives: He has the size to play PF/C. Tough defender and rebounder. He has playoff experience.
Negatives: Not a 3 pointer shooter at all. Not a good FT shooter. More of backup C than a true PF/C.

I originally liked Covington and Favors the best but after looking at their numbers I actually like Olynyk the best. He doesn't sound sexy as a trade target. However, he is the best 3 point shooter of the group and the best passer. Unlike Convington he can play both PF and C. He has experience both starting and coming off the bench. He can replace a lot of things that Vuvevic can do. The only negative is that is not athletic and not a great defender.

Great post BullsTTF.

We are aligned in our thinking. The other guy I like is Kleber.

Back to Covington, I think our best trade partner may end up being POR. Their pick isn't likely to convey to us this year (or much longer if they blow things up), but it has a ton of value to them as a trade asset (because they can remove the protection). I'm wondering how much we could get back from them in addition to Covington. McLemore has started heating-up. Maybe even Nurk, who's expiring this season.

[Michael Jackson]

Hi Bulls Nations,

It has been great to watch this Bulls team this year. I am loving it. I really think we have a shot for a championship. However, I think the Bulls are 1 piece away. They need another big. The Bulls statically get out-rebounded. The only big the Bulls play is Vucevic. They hardly play Bradley, who is more of a 3rd string center. Neither Green or Jones are PF. Simonovic never plays. Cook has been nice as an energy big off the bench.They have recently signed 10 day contracts with Ilyasova and Bell but neither have played. What if Vucevic gets hurt or is in foul trouble.

I don't think the Bulls will make a major mid-season trade. They won't trade Patrick Williams. He was the front office's first draft pick, 4th overall and has only played one season. Coby White is the only holdover outside of Lavine. He is up for an extension after this year. He has played well recently. However, he is a luxury! When Caruso comes back White will be the 4th guard. Ayo can fill that role. Who is the Bulls' second legitimate big??? It is Bradley or Cook which is not good enough.

I have been looking for PF/C who are on bad teams which need back-court depth. Teams are not going to trade their starting PF/C and leave themselves with a hole upfront when they are battling for the playoffs. The best option is to get a PF/C who can shoot, rebound, and play defense. A veteran with playoff experience and one with good attitude (the Bulls have great chemistry and shouldn't mess with that = therefore no Wood or Bagley). The salary would have to be between 4-13 million. The Bulls can include Brown Jr to make salary work. Players like Kevin Love or Myles Turner make too much money and would deplete our bench to make salaries work.

Options: (in order of my preference)

1. Kelly Olynyk: The Pistons are rebuilding and don't need him. They have Cunningham but not one else of note in the back-court.
Positives: He is signed for 12 million for 2 years after this one, which is not a bad price. He can play PF/C. He has playoff experience. He is a very good 3 pointer shooter. He is a good passer.
Negatives: He is not much of rebounder or defender. He is not athletic.

2. Robert Covington: Portland is struggling. They might not make the playoffs and might look to trade Lillard or McCollum in the near future. Covington is a free-agent next year. I don't think he is in their long-term plans.
Positives: He is a great defender (blocks and steals). He has playoff experience. He is a good 3 point shooter. Very good FT shooter.
Negative: Not very big. Not a PF/C but rather a 6.8/6.7 athletic PF. Not a very good shooter overall. Only signed for this year.

3. Chris Boucher: Toronto is not going anywhere. Boucher is a free-agent next. After playing well last year he is riding the bench this year. Not in their long-term plans. Toronto needs a backup guard behind VanVleet and Trent Jr.
Positives: He is great defender (especially blocks). He is athletic. He can shoot the 3 pointer fairly well (not much this year). Good rebounder. Has the size to play a little C.
Negatives: Only signed for this year. Not much playoff experience.

4. Derick Favors: The Thunder are rebuilding and he is not in their long-term plans. He has a player option next year and I am sure they would like out of that contract. They could use another guard to pair with Gilgeous-Alexander and Giddey.
Positives: He has the size to play PF/C. Tough defender and rebounder. He has playoff experience.
Negatives: Not a 3 pointer shooter at all. Not a good FT shooter. More of backup C than a true PF/C.

I originally liked Covington and Favors the best but after looking at their numbers I actually like Olynyk the best. He doesn't sound sexy as a trade target. However, he is the best 3 point shooter of the group and the best passer. Unlike Convington he can play both PF and C. He has experience both starting and coming off the bench. He can replace a lot of things that Vuvevic can do. The only negative is that is not athletic and not a great defender.

Great post BullsTTF.

We are aligned in our thinking. The other guy I like is Kleber.

Back to Covington, I think our best trade partner may end up being POR. Their pick isn't likely to convey to us this year (or much longer if they blow things up), but it has a ton of value to them as a trade asset (because they can remove the protection). I'm wondering how much we could get back from them in addition to Covington. McLemore has started heating-up. Maybe even Nurk, who's expiring this season.

Granted the FRP has a few years to convey but if we can make the right moves with Portland it is more valuable to them potentially. I don't mind finding a good trade with them. Covington makes some sense for sure, still don't think he bumps us into "contender" status well at least not favorite as we are already outside contenders.

[StunnerKO]

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Are we able to trade for Nance? I think he would be perfect. Mobile big body who plays PF and C. 7'1" wingspan. Rebounds, scores well inside. 30% from distance, but that's not our greatest need if he's playing along side Vuc. What would it take to get him (back) from Portland?

[ChettheJet]

Quite the day for the Knicks when it comes to former Bulls. They waived Denzel Valentine whom they just traded for and the league voided Ryan Arcidiacono's contract because they had guys return and they didn't qualify for another hardship contract.

I wonder if they didn't have a call in to Christiano Felicio for a ceremonial signing.

[BahamaBull]

Are we able to trade for Nance? I think he would be perfect. Mobile big body who plays PF and C. 7'1" wingspan. Rebounds, scores well inside. 30% from distance, but that's not our greatest need if he's playing along side Vuc. What would it take to get him (back) from Portland?

well, we had an opportunity to get him and we didnt...Almost zero chance to get him.

[Leto]

The only guy I would even consider trading for is Barnes. Grant is a huge no. You can't have a 5th option on the floor, in crunch time, in the playoffs, that can't shoot. They will double Demar off of him every time down the floor. He won't even get minutes in crunch time because coach will sub in Coby who can shoot. Of course, if you just traded Coby, you're screwed.

[gobullschi]

The only guy I would even consider trading for is Barnes. Grant is a huge no. You can't have a 5th option on the floor, in crunch time, in the playoffs, that can't shoot. They will double Demar off of him every time down the floor. He won't even get minutes in crunch time because coach will sub in Coby who can shoot. Of course, if you just traded Coby, you're screwed.

Over the last 4 seasons, Jerami Grant shot 37% from outside. He’s not the terrible shooter you’re making him out to be.

[StunnerKO]

Grant is maybe an average below 3 point shooter , those near 39% 3 point shooting was when he taking under 4 attempts anything above he dropped to 35% or less

[TheSuzerain]

Wood really appeals to me still.

Would allow us to get Vuc's minutes down to about 30 a game.

[madvillian]

Grant is maybe an average below 3 point shooter , those near 39% 3 point shooting was when he taking under 4 attempts anything above he dropped to 35% or less

He's hoisting a lot of desperate heaves in Detroit tho. As the 3rd or 4th option in Chicago he'd look a lot better I'd imagine.

[nomorezorro]

Wood really appeals to me still.

Would allow us to get Vuc's minutes down to about 30 a game.

i like it in theory as a value/upside play, but one thing i'm torn about is whether playing him/vuc together is really a viable combo, especially in the playoffs, especially in the system donovan is running.

we talk about trading for a PF, but i think there are actually two distinct player types we could be targeting, and it matters which one we go for. you could get a "big wing" - a 3/4 type who is basically always going to play PF in the modern nba, someone along the lines of grant or barnes. or you could get a "mobile big" - a 4/5 type who would have been a "classic pf" once upon a time and has the ability to guard the "modern pfs" of the world, but probably isn't someone you want regularly matched up against wings and might affect your ability to switch on defense.

wood falls into the latter camp, and his defense is already a weak point. i think we'd really be straining what has been one of our greatest strengths if you inserted him into the mix as a starter

[DxC17]

What would it take to get Dorian Finney-Smith from Dallas? That's a guy who I think could immediately slot in as the 4 in Billy's lineup. Big frame, solid athleticism with a 7 foot wingspan. Has grown into a very serviceable option from deep, averaging 37%+ on ~5 3PA over the past three seasons. Marginally positive on both ends of the court, which is phenomenal balance from your 5th starter.

Expiring contract, Dallas might be tempted to move him & they're kind of in no man's land cap wise for the next two seasons. It doesn't help them "win now", but they gotta try something. They're sitting on $30 million of dead weight in Hardaway and Bullock, which are looking like just horrible deals for them. Maybe a pick & TBJ can get this done on its own.

Alternatively, if we desire a bigger package from DAL, we can try to pry Kleber (or Powell?) away too. That's where Coby likely enters the deal, and this could make a lot for Dallas as they have a Jalen Brunson problem on their hands & no one in the ranks to replace him as the team's secondary ballhandler & shot creator. Having a top 10 pick like Coby under rookie scale contract for next season likely helps them a lot as they figure out what to do with their bad contracts & retool around Luka. TBJ can also help them as an additional ball handler off the bench as they have a lot of guys that stand around & catch the ball from Luka but don't do much else.


Bulls get:

Dorian Finney-Smith - 4m, UFA
Maxi Kleber - $8.75m 21-22, $9m 22-23

Dallas gets:

Coby White - $7.4m 22-23
TBJ - $5.1m, RFA
Tony Bradley - $2m, 22-23 (player option)

Does Dallas hang up the phone? Taking two of a playoff team's top 7 rotational guys is a lot, especially two who are among the team's few net positives.

But I really think this is the type of lowkey deal that can really round out our roster weaknesses. Trade machine says yes FWIW

[ghostinthepost1]

I hate the Bulls subreddit. Someone posted this ridiculous trade and in the comments everyone is how it's a terrible deal for the Bulls. Like it's a trade that isn't even really possible because of roster limits and pick restrictions but come on, Patrick Williams and Coby are so untouchable you won't give them up for Coby.

I don't think there's a fanbase on earth that overrates their players more this one.

[Bulls2021]

I hate the Bulls subreddit. Someone posted this ridiculous trade and in the comments everyone is how it's a terrible deal for the Bulls. Like it's a trade that isn't even really possible because of roster limits and pick restrictions but come on, Patrick Williams and Coby are so untouchable you won't give them up for Coby.

I don't think there's a fanbase on earth that overrates their players more this one.

While I agree reddit is trash, the title of that thread is "Instagram trade pages are the worst". Everybody is acknowledging how the trade is unrealistic and straight up impossible.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

I hate the Bulls subreddit. Someone posted this ridiculous trade and in the comments everyone is how it's a terrible deal for the Bulls. Like it's a trade that isn't even really possible because of roster limits and pick restrictions but come on, Patrick Williams and Coby are so untouchable you won't give them up for Coby.

I don't think there's a fanbase on earth that overrates their players more this one.

It's a bad trade even if it were possible. It mortgages our future to add a 37-year-old LeBron in a bid to be a better win-now team, except that team would have no PGs and would have to start Ayo there. It would damage our defense and our depth and leave us with no PG.